King Louis the II

[quote name='Zoomzoomzoom' timestamp='1335473843' post='2959838'] Your alliance can't even escape its own history. Just stop, please. You're only going to embarrass yourself and take this thread off-topic. [/quote] You are the one that are embarrassing yourself with a stupid comment. To discuss whether be in PB or having individual treaties carry the same weight is ON TOPIC, to try to spin talking about my alliance (and "its own history", yes this is OFF-TOPIC. I am citing facts, without saying what is right [s]your[/s] [i]or[/i] wrong. Go take your medicine, you might look less retarded this way.

[quote]Alterego, on 26 April 2012 - 11:15 AM, said: Individual treaties are regularly dropped in peacetime and ignored during a war.[/quote] [quote name='Sardonic' timestamp='1335460624' post='2959773'] Well, maybe in [i]your[/i] sphere. [/quote] actually, specifically in [b]YOUR SPHERE[/b]. I am not say[i]ing[/i] that it is right or wrong. But it is true.

[quote name='Reyas' timestamp='1335471645' post='2959824'] That's what happens when you're in an MADP bloc. [/quote] That is exactly my point.

[quote name='Artigo' timestamp='1335471329' post='2959820'] Hitting Fark wasn't a bloc decision either. So can you see where I'm going with this [/quote] [s] You deflected again. There is no relevance whether was smart or not.[/s] At the end of the day Blocs are more solid than individual treaties period. This doesn't mean that PB will "change directions or move to other sphere" or distance herself from NG. Again that's not the point. ADDED: (OOC)oops I am multitasking and read it too fast (/OOC). But you are still going far away from the subject... The point is much simpler, Be in PB and have MDoAPs with individual members are very different things.

[quote name='Artigo' timestamp='1335468422' post='2959801'] Don't worry you won't be so lucky next time [/quote] Your comment make no sense and don't add anything to the discussion. The discussion was whether the individual treaties hold by NG would basically assure PB on NG side despite having left the bloc. The history tells that individual treaties don't mean anything if they are not in line with Bloc decisions. Ask ODN and Umbrella.

[quote name='Azaghul' timestamp='1335405578' post='2959419'] You do realize that NG maintains an individual treaty with GOONS, right? [/quote] Last war made pretty clear how easy people can ignore a treaty. Specially when blocs are involved.

That's a very cool alliance. PS. An external opinion should carry some weight!

Congrats folks... And no. You are not a micro.

[quote name='Ayatollah Bromeini' timestamp='1335384446' post='2959116'] [img]http://ibexinc.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/v-dominos.jpg?w=300&h=221[/img] Good luck. [/quote] Best post so far...

[quote name='Sardonic' timestamp='1335384106' post='2959111'] unexpected, but good luck. [/quote] Expected, but good luck

Glad to see this, I have a deep respect for the apparatus and MHA are our brothers. Nice.

Congrats

oh.. I liked the "Paraguas" theme. well, good luck Bal Masque! I wish you luck and prosperity!

[quote name='Leet Guy' timestamp='1334330584' post='2952216'] In your previous post, talking to WorldConqueror, you mocked those to not bother with the "do soemthing about it" rhetoric, and yet in this comment you're trotting out the exact same line of thinking. lol. [/quote] Are we talking about the same thing? mocked? where? trotting with the same line of [s]thing[/s]thinking? what? He said nobody would care about Kaskus-Mongols, I disagree. I think there are many alliances (and I am not talking about Sparta) that want to take a piece on MK/NG (or you don't think so?) and would love any excuse of doing so. That's my opinion. If you don't agree, fine. I couldn't care less. Keep testing the waters...you may be right. ADDED: If you are interpreting my "go ahead, good luck" as "do something about it" you are wrong. My point is, if you believe there is no difference in perception on NG/MK helping GOONS and FOK/VE helping GOONS, ok... I disagree but if you believe that keep believing.

[quote name='Leet Guy' timestamp='1334330068' post='2952208'] You know, I kind of wish that approach had been taken, in that case. On what planet do you think VE, FOK, and NG will not support Umbrella and GOONS if this were phrased as a "DH" war, but will work with them for a "PB" war? The allies of Umbrella and GOONS would have been right there with them regardless of whether it is FOK or MK who they chose to help have kaskus properly taken care of. Sparta sure know's a thing or two about burned political capital, and GOONS has done nothing compared to the bonfires you all made. GOONS still has the full trust and respect of all their allies, and even seems to have the respect of those who are objectively looking at this war and not sprouting off typical rhetoric we've seen for years here. [/quote] To the first point: OK go ahead my friend.. good luck. to the second point: anything that Sparta has done is irrelevant to the point. And read it again, I was not talking about GOONS. Nonetheless, if you prefer to believe that it was a good PR, again, go ahead and good luck.

[quote name='WorldConqueror' timestamp='1334325252' post='2952153'] ok, except you just disproved your earlier point about them risking 'having the whole Bob bandwagonIng in favor of Kaskus-Mongols' [/quote] You have a very obtuse logic. How this disprove anything? My point was simple. In political terms was smarter of Goons having Fok and VE, alliances that don't have as many enemies of the rest of PB, joining them. For instance, if GOONS have called MK-NG instead (which would be more logical because of the mid-tier and their feelings towards Kaskus-Mongols) they would risk giving an excuse to a dozen alliances that want to get a piece of MK/NG. Is that too difficult to understand? and for the sparta haters, do something about, blah blah blah, no, I don't speak for my alliance.

[quote name='WorldConqueror' timestamp='1334324643' post='2952145'] lol no. you willing to go in to bat for kasgols? yeah neither is anyone else [/quote] Not at all. I actually not sure if I known any of them. However, I am sure there are people out there that would love any excuse to hit "some alliances"

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1334324414' post='2952142'] Now FOK and VE are considered just as hated by those who are able to see the big picture, other than their unconditional support of GOONS, Umbrella hasn't done anything to become hated either. Although when these alliance enable GOONS to extract more reps than they should naturally be able to do, they are all just as bad and are the cause of GOONS being able to do everything they do. [/quote] I wouldnt say that they are "as hated". However it is true that they have lost some political capital.

the big advantage of calling the whole PB is a political one. FOK and VE are alliances that are less "hated" than NG-DH. If GOONS have called the latter they would have taken the risk of having the whole Bob bandwagonIng in favor of Kaskus-Mongols

Is. unexpected this interesting Congrats to both alliances

Congrats Fok!

Congrats to the elected

Congrats to our brothers in Fark!