King Louis the II

Good to see jenko on the heptagon. Good luck.

Said to see great friends go. My best wishes to Valhalla.

Congrats agw, congrats sparta Things will be different during tne days ahead. PS. It is funny to be criticized when our former Ephor had problems that made him absent durig. The last war, and make the same excuse for a former performance of athens. To me $&@ happens. To use two weights is what I think not cool. but Thats just me.

Congrats to our former and maybe be new allies. PS. We are not giving Shinpah back!

[quote name='Jgoods45' timestamp='1323791349' post='2876581'] Okay. So in the first scenario, if TLR hit Polar and Fark activates their ODP with Polar and hits TLR, how would that not put C&G at TLR's side? Second scenario, Yes. [/quote] It would, and it was clear to Fark that we would not attack C&G.

[quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1323791238' post='2876576'] When did FOK defend CSN? They're not even allied. [/quote] Sorry R&R.

[quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1323791044' post='2876567'] So that they could pick out a really small target and then !@#$%* so they don't get countered. FOK is soooo great! [/quote] I was referring at Fok defending [s]CSN[/s] [u][b]R&R[/b][/u] despite having a blocmate (NG) in the war. edit:corrected

2 scenarios: A C&G member attacked Polar. Fark activates its ODP. Would XX attack C&G? No. A XX member attacked Pacifica. TLR activated its ODP. Did C&G attacked XX? Yes.

I posted this in our own forums as a suggestion to our gov (I am an advisor) this was on November 3. [quote]I think it could be a good idea to give medals to people that are not from sparta but contributed to our alliance. This could be announced in OWF amd show recognition for these people. I suggest: Londo Molari [u][b]OsRavan[/b][/u] Antoine Roquentin (R.I.P) other possible names: 905, Ego, Duncan and maybe Van Hoo.[/quote] Thank god we are slow in processing this type of things added: The R.I.P. joke was because he deleted.

[quote name='Johnny Apocalypse' timestamp='1323789134' post='2876539'] Your ally (Fark) initiated an aggressive war against a C&G treaty partner. TLR decided to defend that alliance and as such decided the path which the whole of C&G was to follow. So no, you would already have been too late to activate those treaties because your ally had already attacked one of their allies. You see? [/quote] So if GATO attacked Polar, and Fark activated its OPTIONAL treaty, Sparta should feel free to declare on International as RnR on ODN? wow. added: Nordreich and DT were mad at us when we attacked Nueva Vida (their ally) when we all had an ODP through NOIR. We actually apologized to both of them and recognized that it was not a cool thing to do. To me ODN's action is way worst than that.

[quote name='Mandellav' timestamp='1323786589' post='2876511'] I love that we must qualify the value of an ODP over a MDoAP on this planet. It's like one is more expensive than the other and TLR/NPO got theirs on the cheap and it should be breaking down in the driveway. I forgot that ODPs are never supposed to be taken seriously. It's not like TLR respects and admires NPO at all and believes NPO would have done the same for it. We don't believe that at all. I mean, it's big bad NPO, right? I forgot, my bad. Pacifica is using us and put so much pressure on TLR to activate the ODP. Oh wait, that didn't happen at all. It turns out we are good allies with NPO and the feeling is mutual and FARK underestimated the value of that relationship. FARK attacked NPO first with an attack citing multiple reasons rather than defending its ally in Polar from direct attacks. TLR supported NPO because we have a strong relationship with NPO and NPO deserves the best defense TLR can manage for it. If someone had attacked Sparta or RnR in this war early on, you can bet the house that TLR would have supported ODN and INT in defending Sparta. FARK did this to you, Spartans. Your MDoAP ally's decision to attack NPO did this to you. If you know anything about TLR, it's that TLR is going to defend its allies and the second a CnG signatory enters the war, CnG rolls together for the best defense of CnG. Every one of CnG's outside treaty partners is warned about that constantly so please channel your hatred toward your other terrible allies that made terrible FA decisions for the years that led to this moment. I get that Sparta wanted to make sure its other MDoAP allies didn't get too hurt in this war. I understand that fully. But don't pretend for a second that MHA was going to stay neutral and not attack TLR or NG for hitting FARK. And guess what. TLR defends allies and would have defended NG and CnG would have been activated anyway. This preempt was a strategic offensive to defend CnG and the war effort. Once again, those who try to play both sides got their feelings the most hurt. Maybe alliances should learn how to cancel treaties earlier to avoid mishaps like these. It's not like it is difficult to see how wars like this one will eventually turn out. Also, here's an idea for the entire world: If you don't want your MDoAP ally to come under attack from another MDoAP ally, then write that into the treaties. Otherwise, stop whining. Sacrifices need to be made in war and Sparta's recent decision to cancel on ODN over this just means that the ally Sparta is choosing, MHA, will receive even more damage that it was ever going to receive before. Your brash decision here actually was to the detriment of your bloated ally, Sparta. [/quote] The Fark ODP with Polar brought many discussions in XX as you can imagine. One scenario that we discussed was if Polar was attacked by C&G (despite the fact that TOP would be thousand times more likely). One thing it was clear was that Fark should not activate a OPTIONAL treaty that will make XX fight against a bloc (C&G) who we have 2 MDoAP partners. You know what, this is exactly what you did. It would be the same as ODN attacking Polar and we allowing Fark activate its ODP and we fighting against C&G.

Basically C&G decided that the ODP between TLR and Pacifica was more important than the MDoAPs between Sparta-ODN and TheINT-R&R. I wish we were allied to FOK instead.

So ODN attacks our ally in a war that initiated between Fark and NPO? So C&G having ODN-Sparta treaty, R&R-Int prefers to defend TLR ODP ally? added: if we were defending Polar or even GOD/CSN I could understand. But you are throwing our long friendship through a window because TLR ODP with Pacifica! shame on you. shame on you. I really liked and always expressed my respect for you ODN. It is very to sad to see how wrong I was. That was low and unexpected. Living and learning.

Fok you showed once more that you are a formidable alliance. R&R is certainly proud to be your ally. In a war where hate for a few speaks louder than old friendships, you showed that there is still integrity in our world I wonder what is in VE mind regarding their MADP (God)...

Not good to see asgaard in the opposite site, but war sometimes out us in difficult positions. Good luck RnR, good that you will face a noble and classy opponent.

[quote name='Captain Flinders' timestamp='1323226449' post='2866620'] I will say, having fought BAPS in Karma, they are a tough crew. If Sparta was looking for the easy way out, doesn't look like the found it. [/quote] 1- We Know that BAPS and Olympus are good opponents "pound by pound", so we are not avoiding anything. 2- To other people that keep the stupid bull crap about we being bigger than them, it was the same we heard when we hit exodus lastvwar The peanut gallery went: "you should pick somebody at your size" !!! Them we hit Aztec, who was bigger than us . the Peanut gallery went: "you are stupid, suicidal, youbwill be crushed" Conclusion, the level of dumbness is umbearable. PS. Not from you Flinders, your post was fine.

sad to see our ally Asgaard in a different side than us. However, we understand and still love you guys.

[quote name='Letum' timestamp='1323217086' post='2866410'] Sparta, in case you were wondering why you have a bad reputation for your military, let me just point out exactly what the situation is, 1 hour after you declared war: 1) You have the most nukes in the world, and currently the most NS of any combatant. 2) You have declared war on two small and relatively unconnected alliances half your size. 3) You have launched 18 wars against said much smaller opponents 4) You have 60% of your alliance still in peace mode. It seems from some comments here that you have some desire to avoid getting blitzed. All I have to say is that you have now put yourself in a situation where one of three things will happen: A) We just let you sit in peacemode, removing a huge chunk of effective NS from the "other side", and letting BAPS/Olympus use superior numbers against what little you bring to the battlefield. B) You come out of peacemode in order to Blitz someone that declares war on you, with the end result being the same as if you had simply blitzed someone properly tonight: you get countered. C) You bring your nations out of peacemode peacemeal, and they get taken out easily and with a minimum of damage to our side, as they all get 3v1 wars. Look what happened to Legion for an example. If your objective was anything other than preserving as much NS as possible, it has failed. [/quote] You are just doing a propaganda stuff or you are really dumb? I will not help you. First look at the number of wars, peace mode nations and NS comparisons. Second, try to learn about the last war. Third. Wait and see. Fourth: well, try to read a book, enriched environment, people say can help ameliorate stupidity!

[quote name='Khyber' timestamp='1323216484' post='2866386'] I hope no one else attacks BAPS and Olympus and they single handedly destroy Sparta's top tier. You picked the wrong two small alliances to declare on. BAPS and Olympus are beasts. [/quote] It is a honor to fight a good opponent. We have fought TOP, Iron, Aztec and now BAPS and Olympus. I can't complain. The peanut gallery should decide, some say -Oh my gosh they are much smaller!! other like you say "You picked the wrong two small alliances to declare on. BAPS and Olympus are beasts." jeez people should make their minds... but anyway, enjoy the war, I know I will.

[quote name='Aeternos Astramora' timestamp='1323213074' post='2866207'] Olympus and BAPS? Really? I mean, you have 30 million NS against Fark right now and you know more alliances will join the fray, so you attack two alliances with a combined NS of 6.6 million whose allies are almost all already in? I was looking forward to a great battle, but it can't happen when you ignore all the big guys. [/quote] Last war was the same reaction when we hit Exodus... did it stop there?

[quote name='Letum' timestamp='1323013005' post='2862275'] It goes back to a bad performance during Karma. First impressions are hard to get over. [/quote] We never denied our performance in Karma was subpar. However, after Karma things were way different.

Seing NG fighting side by side with TPF and UE would be very funny....

Bump for my beloved oranges! ODN

Congrats to our brothers in MHA!

[quote name='Alterego' timestamp='1322912563' post='2860532'] I would like to congratulate Sparta on their blitz. Only a few hours after the DoW they managed to get over 60% of their alliance into peace mode. Now thats an epic blitz. [/quote] First, put down whatever you are smoking or drinking. Second, I know you are kind of dumb, and want to take cheap shots at us, but we have been in peace mode for a while, several days ago actually Third, peace mode sometimes means the exact opposite of what you are implying, but I did not expect you to know this. Well, I did not expect you to know anything...