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[quote name='WarriorConcept' timestamp='1323748801' post='2876103'] I hope you both beat it out of each other's systems so we can stop having to hear about this, although that's just wishful thinking I know. [/quote] Not really too wishful, WC. Isn't that the purpose of a grudge match?

Enjoy yourselves, Umbrella.

[quote name='Mesteut' timestamp='1323731186' post='2875724'] A 5th grader fecal joke has more character to it than your incessant !@#$%*ing on reparations you deserved.[/QUOTE][b]Perfect[/b]. Thank you. So we deserved to pay reps? Could you go ahead and tell me why? [QUOTE]Going on the offensive [i]only[/i] when you have a numerical advantage clearly shows that you do not care about proving yourself to be better, but just setting light to stuff. Hence this not including any honor or justice on DT/RoK/Legacy's part.[/QUOTE] No one declares war to prove that "they're better". War is simply a numbers game. That does not disqualify us from our claim to justice. CsN is paying for extorting an innocent alliance. You will continue to pay until you find an appropriate solution. [quote name='Mesteut' timestamp='1323731231' post='2875727'] Again, the whole point is that you do not have moral superiority, or skill superiority. You war not to prove yourself to be better but just to show you can apply brute force in numbers. If DT is such a skillful and strong alliance, then you would come by yourself. But nah. I do not object the attack, but the methods of the attack. We would've gladly dueled you, seeing everybody expected it anyways.[/QUOTE] Again - do you not understand how strength ranges work? Do you not understand that nations can only declare 3 wars? It would've been downright silly of DT to declare war on an alliance with 40 more nations than it. All of this has been dealt with. [quote name='Krashnaia' timestamp='1323731717' post='2875738'] So, basically, you are saying that the whole reason for curbstomping CSN is that Liz didn't went to your boards to say "sorry"? [/quote] [img]http://nolamotion.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/dunce-cap.jpg?w=400[/img] Oh, you. Can you even read? Would you like me to link you to a 90 page thread detailing why you're being curbstomped - or is that PR trauma still fresh in your mind?

[quote name='Clash' timestamp='1323720840' post='2875506'] Awww contradicting posts by two people both full of poop. [/QUOTE]I'm just going to highlight the maturity of this and the repeated poo jokes throughout the post. A real class act, ladies and gentlemen. [QUOTE]1. You be lying, son. Right through your poop-caked teeth. It wasn't no 3-1 last war. I addressed this in earlier posts and quoted both DT's and legacy's wikis for what y'all put in there about this war. Legacy brags about their win. You "forget" LoSS and their near 300 nations (the biggest alliance by far in that side of the conflict), etc. etc. Lying by omission is still lying.[/QUOTE] I was referring to DT's situation, in which many of us had 2-5 wars going on at any given time. [QUOTE]2. Directly contradicting what your boy up there had to say. So which is it, they hardly warred at all, or they did significant damage? Now, you're attacking with overwhelming force, following someone else who attacked with overwhelming force, and you're complaining that CSN isn't fighting back so well? Every single war you've declared was a massive down-declare, many against already-anarchied nations; but they aren't doing as much damage as you'd like them too? DT got NOTHING like that last war. Wow son, your hypocrisy reeks like the stench coming out between your teeth.[/QUOTE] It actually really just highlights why Legacy stands above CsN. In the first week or so that we were actively declaring on Legacy and they on us, I took more damage from 2 Legacy nations than I did from the 6 or so CsN nations that I fought for the remainder of the war. [QUOTE]3. Awww right they did. Y'all waffle like IHOP. Back and forth between Legacy were great fights against you but they wanted to give you peace right away, yet they hardly declared wars at all. Yeah, CSN pushed poor lil Legacy around. DT declared on Legacy of course, and CSN (who was already fighting LoSS) declared on DT as part of the treaty between Legacy and CSN. So, right, sure they did. Sarm lies even more than you, so get your lies together better next time.[/QUOTE] So you just repeated 2, changed your poop references to breakfast references and changed the number to 3. You and that M guy are really giving Penkala and Jocabia a run for their money... [quote name='Clash' timestamp='1323723019' post='2875554'] Attacking with 3x the nations and 3x+ the NS automatically means a nice big down-declare, especially after letting someone else even bigger soften CSN up for you. You be lyin n cryin' if you say it was anything like that last war. You never have to worry about counter wars from nations already anarchied, do you? Let's never pretend you did anything brave or righteous here. And yes, pretty much every war y'all have made has been down-declares, after all you got free attacks on many already anarchied nations and had 3x the nations to pick and choose for them. Finding a single exception won't change that, and it's not even that much of an exception. Every nation YOU are fighting is significantly smaller than you, two of them very much so, and they were all much smaller when you hit them. [/quote] Here goes the wind-up toy again. 1. Attacking in such a way as to give yourself a military advantage is a normal and acceptable tactic. Declaring down, while you could mock it a little, has always been effectively utilized by blitzing alliances. 2. Doomhouse's attack on you cut off this attack. This was planned for that night. As you may imagine, this caused a bit of confusion on our end and it took a couple of days to sort out with the members and governments whether we should roll or not. The decision was obviously that your blood was worth it. 3. The reason that we did not flinch at going after you despite your being weakened by a previous attack was simple: CsN deserves it. Tell me - do you know why you deserve it? Are you going to defend what was done by your government, or just continue flinging juvenile insults instead?

[quote name='Mesteut' timestamp='1323710804' post='2875317']I remember that. I also remember that whoever disliked SF in power directly jumped into that and bloated that to a PR mess. Your view of self-importance is absurd. I am only upholding the honor of the alliance and making a stand. Whoever has a spine will actually understand where I come from. They are what I remember, and what is written.[/QUOTE] Well, your memory is foggy at best. First off, SF wasn't in power. DH/PB was in power. SF was then, as it is today - a decently well-connected peripheral bloc. Nearly everyone outside of SF with the exception of VE (who was and is still MADP'd to an SF signatory) was pretty disgusted. Some of SF's allies were shaking their heads at this. Members of SF were shaking their heads at this. Signatories of your bloc left, partly in response to this. Treaty partners canceled on you because of this. Your leaders led your alliance down the road of the greatest singular PR meltdown I've ever seen an alliance commit. Liz, Goose, Gibs and Pxychosis decided that it would be a good idea to affirm their own power to themselves by attempting to punish an alliance for an imagined misdeed. What was that offense, you ask? Well, your 4 leaders of the time - ahem, 3 leaders and an "external adviser" - were incredibly incensed by DT's choice to enter the war in defense of it's ally LoSS, via activation of an ODP. Pxychosis & Co. decided that optional defense pacts were simply not good enough, and that the only way that we could attain peace for our allies was by paying them 40,000 tech, paid directly from our nations above 2,000 tech. That would have been more tech reps per capita than in any surrender agreement in history. You are correct in challenging my supposed self-importance, which I did not claim, but directed my gratitude (and surely your blame) towards those who have truly made this bed for you. I was merely a scribe. All I did was deliver the information that the Liz Girard Show was already airing. I apologize if I seemed to be taking credit for more than that, the responsibility truly lies with her. So I ask, what honor are you defending here? What are you taking a stand for? Are you claiming that what you did was okay? Are you claiming that your government was correct in not only having never considered returning what was extorted nor having made an attempt to seek amends, but also that they were correct in never having apologized? If you are upset to be in a war, come out and tell us. If you are upset with your government, stop denying it. But you have no cause to be outraged by the premises of this war. [QUOTE]The justifications are dumb, and essentially boil down to "because we can".[/QUOTE] Would you like me to link you to 90 pages of justifications and rhetorical decimation of earlier incarnations of the nonsense-spewing morons who sought to defend extortion? [QUOTE]Legacy's justification is simply absurd though. Especially after the story I got from AT.[/QUOTE] Ooooh A mysterious story! Why not share? You're alluding to something that is apparently known only by you and Allied_Threat. How to you expect that to build your case, here? This is a piss-poor attempt at defending your alliance's "honor", though I suppose I oughtn't be too shocked to see a beginner fall flat on his face like this. I'll be generous to a learning novice and throw you a bone. Here's a hint: Paste the conversation here, maybe you'll look smarter. [QUOTE]Yeah, and lower levels are provided coverage by making sure all top tier nations have at least three people on them. Sounds very logical. [/quote]Well, they have upper-tier nations too. Do you think it makes sense to tap out one AA completely in the higher tiers when you have other nations available? Pay attention, mouthbreather, here comes another hint: More nations in a given range tends to be increase damage output and shrink damage input. Cool, huh? You should come by more often. You're almost as fun a plaything as Penkala. [quote name='hizzy' timestamp='1323714943' post='2875367'] So CSN's training is to wait around until I declare war on you, then mishandle the aid you're sent (which is rare to receive in the first place), and give it all back to me anyways, and then beg for peace? Then after the war ends, continue to sit around without growing so that you can get tech raided again and again by the same guy? No wonder your NS chart is the steepest cliff in the game right now. Do you realize I've been tech raiding CSN and sending that tech back to DT for the last 9 months? I've been having my way with you and yours and until your alliance surrenders to me personally I will continue tech raiding and stopping you from recruiting new nations. [/quote] You're a proper Ragnar Danneskjold. Thank you for that.

[quote name='Clash' timestamp='1323690026' post='2875135'] Let's state another truth, current according to in-game stats. Legacy: 102 nations, 4,281,050 ns Ragnarok: 138 nations, 4,031,699 ns The Dark Templar: 56 nations, 3,099,223 ns Totals: 296 nations, 11,411,972 ns Commonwealth Of Sovereign Nations: 96 nations, 3,261,163ns Observations on the truth: 1. If y'all can't win that? You suck like nothing that has ever existed before. Even worse than hizzy, and that guy reeks like unwiped butt. 2. This is the way you chose to war? What a bunch of pathetic weaklings, if these are the odds you needed. ...and you DID, didn't you. Scoreboard, kids. 3. Pointing out that this is nothing but a collection of cowards' curbstomp is nothing but the truth. It ain't crying. It's a brutally obvious fact. 4. Did CSN ever put someone at those kinds of odds? I doubt it. Certainly not in the last war, and y'all be lying if you say different. So, let's not pretend you did something brave here, or righteous, or anything else along those lines. You did not. You chimps can talk all you want, cause that's all y'all are. Talk and a punk's walk. You certainly ain't tough if this is what you needed. There isn't anything special about any of you clowns. Done. Now I don't have to post again for a while. [/quote] Take a look at this clown Do you know [i]why[/i] we decided to kick your extortionist asses? [quote name='Krashnaia' timestamp='1323690844' post='2875141'] Don't forget to add that they needed DH to make a blitz to anarchise half our alliance before they got the guts to declare. [/quote] [quote name='Clash' timestamp='1323695515' post='2875187'] Sammy, I'm saying that you needed a 3-1+ advantage for this war, even after an even bigger down-declare hit CSN first and did the easy work for you. That's pretty big, wouldn't you say? I sure do.[/QUOTE] Actually, as I've mentioned (and I believe others have stated elsewhere), our blitz was planned for the night that DH decided to go after you, but they got their declaration off first, which threw our organization into the crapper. It took us a couple days to decide if we wanted to deal with your whining about our "cowardice" - fact is, justice is worth a bit of spoiled fun. As far as the 3v1 goes, well, look at your own numbers in the last war. [QUOTE]You probably wrote it LOL DT attacked you guys, and you turtled? Whoa. [/quote] [quote name='Clash' timestamp='1323696247' post='2875193'] Getting attacked and then not attacking back? That's pretty much what you said you did. (Actually CSN did it for you, didn't they?) I don't believe it though. Don't lie about Legacy, too. [/quote] Clash, whoever you are, you clearly did not pay attention during the last war. With a few competent exceptions in CsN, Legacy nations were the only ones who did significant damage to DT nations. Your alliance was thoroughly pathetic and, again, with a few exceptions, continues to be in this war as well. Enjoy the plunge down to 1mil tNS And Legacy wanted to declare white peace with us very shortly into the conflict. Your alliance's stubbornness forced them to fight for an excessive amount of time. After a while they just stopped declaring wars because frankly, they did not want to fight their friends in DT to gratify Liz and Pxychosis' sadistic tastes. [quote name='Greg23' timestamp='1323697822' post='2875213'] I never said I agreed with the way things are, I dont like them at all. I would love to see more 1v1 even wars. And just because you as an individual member of CSN thinks you could do a 1v1 vs DT, you know damn well that your gov would never do that. [/quote] Nor [i]could[/i] they. Some of the guys that I fought in the last war still haven't rebuilt over 20k NS. Comparatively, I'm currently sitting pretty back over 60k, about to send 3 of them down to that level. [quote name='Mesteut' timestamp='1323698041' post='2875218'] As enthusiastic as I am to spill all OPSEC info on this forums, I'll just tell you that you have no idea of how the CSN government works and what intentions it can have.[/QUOTE] Heh. I doubt it works at all. [QUOTE]Meanwhile, I am sure the CSN I was in would LOVE to do that. But as Hizzy pointed out, that'd result in DT getting curbstomped.[/QUOTE] I have to confess, you're right here. We'd be drowned in the ocean of piss that is CsN's utter incompetence. [QUOTE]No biggie, I understand now that you guys are just weak and need massive numbers to get the job done. If you can actually get the job done. Otherwise, I'll be laughing. [/quote] [quote name='Mesteut' timestamp='1323705708' post='2875277'] RoK ditched us and all SF. DT acted horrible during talks, did not show any intent in conflict resolution and deserved the reparations set forth. Legacy what I don't even, and after I talked to Allied Threat, I still don't even. We're fighting evil CSN and making them pay for their crimes is pretty much pretending to be heroes. [/quote] Did you read the logs of the talks? I had a great time almost a year ago putting together a nice beautiful OP and 90 page thread completely destroying your alliance's PR to allow for this beautiful moment. I shouldn't really be taking any credit for that, your leaders Liz and Pxychosis handled all of that for me...

More proof that RnR are a bunch of attention-craving crybabies. I'm glad to see your cookie-cutter alliance getting stomped.

[quote name='Rotavele' timestamp='1323654110' post='2874479'] Id now like to introduce my new puppet, Mesteut, who is almost as [u][b]HORRIBLE[/b][/u] as the great Rotavele. [/quote] ITT: Delusions of grandeur

[quote name='Gibsonator21' timestamp='1323649116' post='2874404'] You speaking of abandoned commitments is absolutely hilarious. [/quote] Yeah, how dare you leave allies that hardly lived up to the title!

[quote name='Krashnaia' timestamp='1323644368' post='2874333'] A convenient excuse for a turncoat. [/quote] Oh, Sarm, you're such a Benedict Arnold.

[quote name='James Dahl' timestamp='1323587521' post='2873604'] RIA is the least of your worries. If anything we will probably end up trying to defend you when this is used against you in 6 months. [/quote] Well, thank you for that, I guess. But even if something like that were to happen, we are doing what we feel is just and necessary. You won't find any guilt here. [quote name='MitchellBade' timestamp='1323587818' post='2873614'] ORLY? Yes, clearly not a single person has a problem with this in the slightest. [/quote] Most of those people are affiliated with CsN. The rest are simply ignorant of the facts, which of course are that this pre-empt was planned for the night that DH rolled. We've been weighing options since then and this remained on the table.

[quote name='James Dahl' timestamp='1323587190' post='2873594'] Rage? This is hilarious. All you need to do now to be even more loathed than CSN is impose reps, which I imagine you already have planned. You have lost everything you gained. [/quote] Loathed by whom? You? No one seems to have a problem with this. That being said, many of us are very much against reps.

[quote name='Micheal Malone' timestamp='1323582363' post='2873311'] Couldn't knuckle up by yourself and had to have someone else soften them up? I mean, if you wanted a piece you should have taken it first. Now it looks like you're going to have to double-bag it and pray that you don't catch whatever Doomhouse has... *shudder* [/quote] [quote name='MitchellBade' timestamp='1323582738' post='2873361'] This would've made sense if this came about two days ago. Now it's just sad and pathetic. Hell, I may even find myself rooting [i]for[/i] CSN if you people keep this up. [/quote] For the record, we were actually going to pre-empt them the same night DH hit them, but obviously when all of our slots got filled, things got a bit confused and we sat it out. So we're actually more upset about us getting in this late than you are... [quote name='LegendoftheSkies' timestamp='1323584663' post='2873481'] Enjoy your sloppy seconds [/quote] Thanks for keeping em warm for us [quote name='Rotavele' timestamp='1323582664' post='2873353'] Its one update and ive rolled every attacker from DT/legacy already. Sorry gaiz. [/quote] Coming from the guy who brags about anarchies in his sig. Nice casualty count, tough guy. [quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1323582896' post='2873377'] Truth is eternal. The blood of CSN cannot wash out the stain left by the abandonment of DT by its allies. [/quote] Schatt, you're usually very good, but we were well aware of our allies' separate directions in the last war. We did not ask them to help nor did we want them to. I'm not going to allow you to smear them for our decision. [quote name='Clash' timestamp='1323584918' post='2873492'] This is the way of the world these days, no need for CBs anymore. Any excuse for a curbstomp. I'm sure CN will be a lot better for it tho. [/quote] [quote name='Alex987' timestamp='1323586036' post='2873537'] Well, here's to a new, BRAVE era of CN, 3v1 on CSN [/quote] CB's have never been more than "we don't like you" under the guise of something else. Don't make that mistake.

[quote name='James Dahl' timestamp='1323570351' post='2873095'] This would have been even funnier if we'd gone with my idea for our POW AA to also be Mjolnir POW. [/quote] I'll have 100 tech sent to you post-war if you make this happen. Someone has needed to do something like that for far far too long.

[quote name='commander thrawn' timestamp='1323473192' post='2871317'] I think he's a magnet. [/quote] [quote name='Lord Levistus' timestamp='1323473340' post='2871319'] Nah, but getting Magnet in here to argue with him about the 50 cms term would be epic. [/quote] Sup? [quote name='Rotavele' timestamp='1323483933' post='2871558'] Leave it to Dark Templar to not know the difference between military wonders and military improvements. [/quote] [quote name='Rotavele' timestamp='1323485489' post='2871582'] We hereby surrender to DT. That will cost you 20,000 tech. [/quote] [quote name='Merrie Melodies' timestamp='1323489439' post='2871657'] Do you really think that because CSN got the gift of white peace and a "not to re-enter" clause you will get away with running your mouth like a jack hammer in sand? [/quote] Don't stop him. Please. It's too funny to watch a coward writhing in fear, thinking that his only salvation lies in spitting insults at those who are merciful enough to allow his alliance's continued existence. I like watching CsN wait for the bullet. It's cute.

[quote name='Emperor Whimsical' timestamp='1323556624' post='2872915'] Do you really think that we haven't been waiting for this? That we aren't prepared to fight for a quite a while? We've been through worse, and we lived back then. Losing a war builds character. And Valhalla is frankly, not quite the military powerhouse any of us over here that were expecting. Asgaard and BN make up for it, though. In the meantime, I'm taking you on my way down as soon as I get out anarchy, and maybe you'll learn a thing or two about tech advantage and warchests. [/quote] It's funny because your alliance doesn't even know how to fend off a small band of rogues.

Doomhouse can act like complete asses, force the people who I wanted to fight out of the war and be downright arrogant at times... ... but for some reason I can't help but like them.

Pretty sure you guys took some slots I wanted.

Dammit guys... Gotta hand it to you. lol...

I actually don't know what this represents. Who are these people? EDIT: To be clear, I've never heard of Sentinel.

Hmmm. A MDP ally fighting KoH, who just really need a good punching in the face I hope I get the opportunity to help.

I'm confused. Is someone trying to say that SF is a major historical player? SF is at the level of past blocs like BLEU, UJP and "The Sphere" (I think it was called that) from way back in the day. Blocs that were influential but never dominant.

[quote name='WarriorConcept' timestamp='1323146968' post='2865100'] Implying those are their only allies, this guy. [/quote] ... which only further bolsters the view that VE is much like that guy in the group who no one can remember if he was there or not ...

Mmmmm... so close now, so close...

[quote name='Rotavele' timestamp='1323070121' post='2863464'] Im afraid that we cannot do that. The blitz from LoSS is just too massive and too well coordinated. EDIT: out of those 13 declarations by LoSS, 3 were before update. Face Desk... Face Desk..... [/quote] Shall I remind you of your alliance's performance in the last war? [s]Or should I just wait 24 hours until I get to do it again?[/s] EDIT: I seem to have assumed that CsN probably will have the stones to step into the fray. Silly me.