Tromp

[quote name='goldielax25' timestamp='1342100378' post='3009130'] I was referring to GGA. [/quote] Oh, right, I misread there. Well, the point still applies for the other references in your post to our alliance. Thanks in advance.

I would appreciate it if you treated this 'hilarious alliance' with a little more respect Goldie. We've done nothing wrong to you, and in fact several of us do (did?) have a good relationship with you. Also, JB clearly stated that's his own opinion, yadda yadda.

Well, there was little to be gained from entering in the first place. All the best VE.

And another alliance with a big history disbands. Goodbye Valhalla, it's been quite the ride.

[quote name='WorldConqueror' timestamp='1341609300' post='3005062'] Did you miss the part where that was resolved? CSN, CRAP, TTK, NPL, MHA I think. Are you seriously trying to insinuate that MK doesn't fight? [/quote] For an alliance that supposedly orchestrated that war, they sure didn't pull their weight. Or it seems to me that is close to the point Hal was making.

It's Archon, doh.

[quote name='Sardonic' timestamp='1341606267' post='3005038'] You're delusional. Your types always amuse me, hinting at some vast phantom moralist army willing to stand up to the heinous, heinous crimes MK has inflicted on the world. Guess what, they're not coming. If there was ever a chance for the world to rise up against MK, it was this war, and that's obviously not happening. I predicted far graver a predicament for them in pursuing this war, but at the end of the day, I was wrong, all I see after this war is things going [i]beautifully[/i]. [/quote] Sardonic, my man, I've seen a couple of good projects go to waste. Not one was perfect, and as you know PB's bid for power was only the last attempt that ultimately failed as a result. The actors at the forefront have changed, the disagreements behind the curtains have not. I'd wish you luck in your quest, but your end goal is unreachable, so it would be meaningless. I'll wish you fun instead.

[quote name='Sunny Side King' timestamp='1340753078' post='2997589'] Err nevermind I forgot Tromp joined BM. [/quote] I don't believe I know you? Apparently you do know me, so you know where to find me.

Not sure why anyone would even try to argue this 150~NS nation isn't a ghost. Certainly not for a lack of intelligence, I'd assume? That said, war it is then.

[quote name='Simon De Montfort' timestamp='1340555929' post='2994535'] But we attacked them not you. [/quote] Just putting this out here; an MDP means: "An attack by a third party on either signatory is an attack on both."

Yeah, perhaps I would have said the same if I'd been caught on making things up. Was nice playing with you.

Good god. You should learn when to speak and when to shut up. [quote name='SoADarthCyfe6' timestamp='1340379341' post='2992728'] See this is the problem. If you were actually trying to help your allies out and did not have some political motive behind actually defending your allies (Hint: it involves a certain post made by some powerful political figure in MK at the time, that was revealed to SF from a private embassy) then there would be some truth in this statement. But there isn't, FOK wanted the coalition to fractured and be distressed for whatever delusional reasoning that was (Hence proven why FOK was using its Political Capital to threaten anyone who dared to attack RnR.)[/quote] Yes, an ally of ours is openly plotting the destruction of another ally, and we're supposed to let that slide. This is one rule out of GATOs FA handbook apparently, but certainly not ours. Listen, I don't give a $%&@ about whatever coalition you're referring to, I've said it back then and I'll say it now: that war wasn't our war. We clarified our position before that war even kicked off, so nothing on our end was in any sense malicious whatsoever. Excuse us for playing politics because that's in our interest! [quote] Allies get attacked by your other allies quite a bit these days, even those involved do happen to like each other. It's horrible, but business is business and that's why they get off with White Peace and no repercussions. RnR knew perfectly well what side of the treaty web they were on, and they even admitted it post war when they said they are keeping their XX ties because they felt as though it's keeping their side of the treaty web afloat. [/quote]This is irrelevant. [quote] The fact of the matter is, PB was in the coalition and FOK was in PB. Even all of FOK's allies with the exception of RnR participated with the coalition. So don't even feed me some horsesh*t about how FOK was not apart of the coalition. To further go into detail about saying it was NG's fault for the PB fracture was just foolhardy to even mention it was entirely their fault. The majority of PB was in for rolling SF from the start while FOK and VE dragged their feet. Yet again, you are in a hypocritical position stating that it was NG's fault while FOK was just as much to blame, if not more. [/quote] I have already told you, we were not part of a coaltion. As someone who was actually FOK government at the time, I'd like to think I know better what we did and did not commit our resources to than some rank and file member with a big mouth. Or hell, if you don't believe me, ask others who [i]were [/i]involved with it. But I suppose it's satisfying to ignore reality so you can keep telling yourself that what you made up is actually true. As for the comment on PB, I've already said that's something for another topic and I won't further get into here. [quote] To the second bolded statement, I have absolutely no problem wanting LSF to be crushed. They tried to use and jeopardize my alliance for their own grudges because they have a treaty well connected to CnG. The hell with that and that is the sole reason I believe they deserve to be crushed, aggressiveness has nothing to do with it. GATO has also openly stated that we support CSN being rolled and have no issue with it.[/quote] Good on you for admitting you're a coward [i]and [/i]a hypocrite then. [quote] As to address our allies comment, we treat our allies fairly well, and feel free to ask any of them as we all share a very good relationship with all of them. I can guarantee they will have nothing but goods things to say about us along with us to them as well. [/quote] All I was saying; INT deserves better than the !@#$ you've been throwing at them because you were running scared at the prospect of a tough war. [quote] I find it amusing that you're telling GATO that we have major character faults when you openly put the majority of your allies in a terrible position for a political motive. Also, your rebuttals have been nothing full of hypocrisy, stating 1) we are terrible allies (note the fracturing of PB and the coalition), 2) stating we have character flaws (note what FOK's political motive was in the defense of their allies), and 3) Saying it was NG's fault for the PB fracture when FOK went against the majority of PB (note that this is the kettle calling the pot black.) [/quote] Here you go again, continuing to ignore what I've told you. Goddamn, I'm actually glad we never committed allegiance to your 'coalition', or we would have to put up with idiots like you. See first response. [quote] Yet somehow, I'm the dumb*ss here. Please come to me with a logical, non-rage filled, hypocritical argument the next time you try and prove a point. [/quote] I can't help it that you prove yourself to be a hypocrite and make things up like the idiot you are. Please come back when you've actually put in some effort in verifying what you are asserting is true. Don't worry, I'll be waiting to hear you eat your words.

[quote name='SoADarthCyfe6' timestamp='1340200740' post='2989996'] Right, considering FOK was using its political capital to threaten anyone who dared to attack RnR by calling in PB, it's nice to know that you were putting the entire coalition at risk just because you wanted to save your SF allies for your own political reasons. As for that, it was why FOK helped put the final nails in the coffin of PB. Also, by your logic, you are saying we were bad allies because we didn't defend LoSS, yet you put your own allies and own coalition at risk as well? Sounds a bit on the hypocritical side of things. The !@#$%* part of this was option presented to us being "Save your one ally, while putting the rest of your allies at risk" or "Save the rest of your allies, while putting one of your allies at risk." It was a pretty lousy option for us to choose from. [/quote] Damn, you are not just stupid and cowardly, but also ignorant. It may seem like a revolutionary concept to someone from GATO, but we actually tried to help our allies out. Boo frickin' hoo, if that's going to be held against us. You have to realize not everyone will degrade themselves in the way you do in order to save your own skin. Furthermore, we were not part of a 'coalition', and it is quite hilarious that you seem to think we were. And unless we've been lied to, it was only NG being part of a coalition in the past war. Which immediately answers your next allegation. It wasn't FOK that made PB ultimately disband, rather it was NG with their duplicitous behavior. They weren't thinking in terms of collective PB interests by that point, but only their own. Although that's beside the point here. I'm sure people have taking notes on how you guys treat your so called allies. Not only were you quite open about wanting to see one of your allies' partners be crushed, on the grounds of them being an 'aggressor', but on top of that you supported an alliance you're not even tied to in their aggressive war. I’m sure this makes sense in GATO’s world, where nobody seems to be able to think for themselves, but for the rest of us it makes you seem like idiots. So $%&@ off and start working on the numerous character faults of yours before acting all tough.

Wow, nice WOT there. At the very least, this should be popcorn worthy OsRavan, thanks for that. To comment on a couple of things that stood out for me: You're not the only one who thinks like that, I'd assume anyone who knows how things work around here will have (had) that thought at some point. *Note, here comes an IC comment*: > Says the above >> Is allied to MK >>> Does not compute What it comes down to OsRavan, is that you don't like the analysis provided by Schatt, and fail to refute it... Which seems to make your blood boil. You go on a long rant without making a single rebuttal. That's kind of an accomplishment, I guess, but not a positive one! To be more specific, at times I felt your argument was disingenious. For example, ofcourse everyone is playing for 'fun' (who wouldn't play a game for fun?), but to say entertainment and struggle and dominance don't combine is plain false. In fact, politics (and as such, CN - being a political simulator) is about struggle, and is about dominance. Debate is just part of the bigger whole, a means to achieve an end. That is by making your case, and as such convincing others that your frame is better than that of your opponent. In that sense, the more power one has, the more fun there is to be had. You are no different in that, and I would say it greatly explains the argument you're making here. I'll leave the rest untouched and go back to my popcorn.

[quote name='SoADarthCyfe6' timestamp='1340027705' post='2987615'] There's no FOK to protect you this time. About time this war escalated. [/quote] This is cute. Thanks for admitting what a cowards you guys were last war though. And apparently you haven't lost this trait. Good on you!

[quote name='Rush Sykes' timestamp='1340005641' post='2987482'] Seriously Thrash, you are a reasonably smart guy. You may THINK what you said is true(I dont believe you REALLY think it), but it IS in fact not true. You ARE there because of BFF ties. [/quote] Let's see whether you guys will support one alliance's aggression over the other.

[quote name='Jgoods45' timestamp='1340002324' post='2987437'] [s]C&G[/s] MK above all else. Forever. [/quote] C&G: "The most subservient bloc on the world."

Some people in here have actually given you proper advice Rotavele. Some of that we also told you when you were with BM for a couple of days. As a player of a game, you should be having fun. It's unfortunate, but you can't seem to find a good place to settle down (and harm other people in the process). So I'll just say from this OOC perspective that I hope you'll find a way to solve this issue. Best of luck.

[quote name='Stormsend' timestamp='1339694438' post='2983631'] I'm not pinned on anything. You're argument was flawed in that you posted incorrect information. That isn't a word game. It's a rebuttal. CSN continued attacks on a nation that had fled to a sovereign AA.[/quote] Yeah, it makes total sense to "protect" a nation after it was declared rogue and claimed by CSN. Fact remains that you were always only second to claim this Dave guy as yours. Therefore the wrong was commited on your part. [quote] [b]It is standard practice to alert the alliance protecting that AA of the situation. That never happened. [/b] You'd like to think we're so wrong here, but CSN refused to offer a commonly given courtesy, showing a blatant lack of respect to the AA and those that protect it. [/quote] It was all [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=111450]out in the open[/url]. [spoiler][quote]Just a sidenote reminder: Dave93 has been placed on CSN's ZI list, so please refrain from filling his war slots (it would be greatly appreciated) or aiding him for the duration of his ZI. He has shown great enthusiasm at the prospect of engaging our middle tier and has been honorable enough to accept responsibility/accountability for his involvement with Rotavele. So we would like to indulge his enthusiasm by providing him our middle tier on his way out/down to ZI (once he reaches ZI he will be released no questions asked) without interference.[/quote] [/spoiler]

[quote name='Stormsend' timestamp='1339693495' post='2983595'] I hope you didn't dislocate anything reaching that far. [/quote] Brother, your entire argument amounts to nothing more then turning the world upside down. But hey, keep making an ass out of yourself, I won't object.

War of Great Diversion.

[quote name='Stormsend' timestamp='1339688562' post='2983456'] That's not survivalism. That's called winning. Survivalism is an aim to survive. What allaince, exactly, isn't striving for that? [/quote] [quote name='feardaram' timestamp='1339688711' post='2983459'] sorry for winning. do you need a tissue? [/quote] Nor really, I'm having great fun pointing out what your motivations are. Whether you 'win' (like how NPO won CN eh?) or not is of little concern. But keep up the arrogance, I wouldn't expect different from you.

[quote name='Stormsend' timestamp='1339688121' post='2983449'] It isn't a math equation. There is no order of operations for respect. There is one for recognizing your argument is flawed, however. PEMDAS in this case stands for "Please Excuse My Dumb Ass, Stormsend." And I do. [/quote] I am devastated. Really, I am! [quote name='ShouAS' timestamp='1339688000' post='2983445'] So instead of working it out with CSN you declare an alliance wide war because an we didn't roll over bow to your demands? Just admit it, you don't like CSN. Admit that this CB is BS and the whole war is just because you were bored, and I will drop it. Have the cojones to tell the truth for once. I'll even commend you for it, "having fun" is a much better CB then this. [/quote] It's not even because they were bored, it's because they had to find a solution to their problem of a lapdog-sphere civil war (NoR and LSF). Don't think they're anything other then survivalists. They'll run over anything and anyone by any means necessary if that keeps them at the top.

[quote name='Stormsend' timestamp='1339687530' post='2983428'] That isn't an "again." It's an entirely new question. Did CSN ever show any regard for the sovereignty of the Mushroom Kingdom or its protected affiliations by at least giving us prior warning they would disregard a peace offer and nuke him? I am unclear as to why we are expected to show any regard for their declarations if we would not get the same courtesy. [/quote] [quote name='Lyria' timestamp='1339687284' post='2983417'] No, he just really wasn't a full member at the time. Don't let minor details like facts get in the way, please. [/quote] Well, even in that case you still only proclaimed to protect him after he was justly sentenced to ZI. So it's rather the other way around Stormsend.

[quote name='Fulgrim' timestamp='1339686859' post='2983409'] To be fair, anyone can accept whoever they want. They just need the balls to do it. And MK has balls. BIG BRASS BALLS. [/quote] It doesn't require "balls" to declare upon an alliance if it's in a weak position. (Or you perceive them to be as such, ain't that right Shrooms.) [quote name='Stormsend' timestamp='1339686973' post='2983413'] He was not a accepted member at the time. The MK Applicant AA is still protected by the Mushroom Kingdom, however. [/quote] Really, already backpedaling?