shahenshah

p|_|sydox sphere complaining, keep ignoring all your treaties. AFM said it wanted to be independent but I have never ever seen such a subservient bloc that just shuts up and take it en masse.

Do explain the strategy part. What possible strategy dictates you allow your opposition to knock out the web around you in increments.

You're not alone.

Derp missile on AFM would be an utter waste.

Ah lol, nvm the first part of the sentence.

Possible to add ratios of damage taken to damage recieved in alliance totals? Damage inflicted / Damage taken %s?

O/ Argent, best of luck!

:facepalm: I disown this guy! :popcorn: :P

ah lol, for some reason I thought they were in AFM, my mistake.

Spread the anarchy!

Even some of your friends would like to take it as a defensive war...but you may offcourse correct me on this speculation. Also, I notice UPN aid slot usage has improved compared to peace time, while the opposite has been true for everyone else. Kudos.

You're OUT and about I see. The Orange hungers o\

I think Polar came up with the idea of what terms could be like, not of the idea of wanting to impose them. Idea of imposing terms isnt of Polar origin, but what terms would be like was. Polar and Sparta then became the public face of the terms, 'koz that's what some of the friends wanted and we owe them, give and take'. It was pretty stupid idea to lead talks on it and you will become party to the blame. Just my two cents.

Might is right isn't a problem but it is how every alliance has operated while being part of winning war.

Welcome to 2009?

Pro tip: Send Abbas to diplorush Rush . He's the first MI6 diplo who actually managed to criss cross the troll rich history between IRON and MI6.

Yes, when we realized we were asked to do the heavy lifting for others while they sat with comfortable odds and where a leading coalition partner was caught saying wanting us dead around the same time. When those coverages were changed without consulting us (we were present during those days), that was our first hint on the designs to screw us. Our relations with NG and NPO were not good at the time for myriad of reasons. You and friends saw that and took your opportunity, I don't blame you for it at all. We've sorted all that out now and realized we have chances to create better opportunities for us working together. TLR wasn't the alliance IRON was originally supposed to fight. They were supposed to fight GATO but threw a fit over the prospect of fighting GATO's upper tier. TLR was a compromise that IRON chose and insisted upon. It wasnt TLR, nor GATO, it was ODN, we did'nt go on that becase INT, who was allied requested not to and to keep that on the low because it'd piss the rest of you off. We were being $%&@ed anyway, why screw INT. GATO's top tier? GATO's top tier was in peace mode more than anyone in CnG, their top tier was'nt a threat, and it wasnt gonna be coming out to fight, because that was the sensible thing to do for them. Everyone and their grand mothers knew that. LoSS was rushed in because they were concerned they would end up getting pulled in by the otherside. The decision to put them on NG was made spur of the moment by people who had little to do with the macro-management of the coalition itself. You expect anyone to really believe that? People knew the situation around IRON and NG was sensitive and people were very very aware of it, hindsight 20/20, trying to be transparent with all was'nt really the best of ideas, I think it should honestly depend on the kind of people you're dealing with. Furthermore, we were told it was a genuine tie and there was a genuine error in us not being informed of the ghost treaty. What's even more interesting, we were weren't told of it after it was dropped post war, found out on the off-the-hand comment a few months later ;-), but that's a discussion for other medium and nothing that we fussed over, bygones are bygones. Point being the gap between your version and the other version further adds credibility to screw IRON by design. The LoSS episode screwed us internally, while we were able to keep momentum going on the fronts we were on, the fronts we won and closed which you conveniently forget. Tho, it limited our ability to do anything else and frankly, by that time, we should'nt have been doing anything else for that !@#$ of a coalition. If it werent for us imploding internally from top to bottom, a hit on TLR probably would not have occurred. You would not find a man more happier than myself when LoSS imploded into nothing and NG taking the cake on it, poetic. It was a !@#$ piece of alliance known to jump ships on the eve. Yyou had one/two liner token statement of protest when TLR was being hit as opposed to leading the rants and threats regarding the prospect of TOP hit. You were fine with your ally getting hit by someone you weren't allied to and detested just like you're likely going to be absolutely fine this time around too. Regarding 90% of TLR in peace mode: Most of them were mid tier nations we hit and took to lo-tier, top tier NS of TLR was in peace mode before the hit and rightly so. You are using that tactic yourself IAT. If those lo-tiers was a problem, you'd throw in others to cover it, but you threw in a alliance that's mostly top heavy with very little mid and lo tier numbers. There were plenty of alliances that were sitting with alot of idle capacity, waiting to trigger the TIO/NATO front to screw RnR and IRON, could have used those. If TOP was so concerned, there were the 66% of your alliance that could have made a contribution too if they came out of peace mode. tl;dr, We made mistakes, you capitalized on it through chance, no problem, you had no reasons to keep our interests at heart, quite the opposite as your actions have suggested, but disregarding the design to screrw us as we learned about as the information leaked slowly post Disorder and denying that is really insulting the intelligence, not just of us, or our friends, but of also the people around you. Let's see if you guys manage to do more for some of your friends than we did for some of ours in Disorder.

Coalition goal achieved, time to peace out.

Abbas and Carter for M!

Where is Legion?

pic recognition or it didnt happen :popcorn:

The last two pages have been wonderful (not taling about mi6), I'll explain why once I am done with the RL things-you-must-do-to-survive.

Lack of credit to IRON and TOP posters is dissapointing.

double post

Sard, why act surprised or shocked or pissed? we said if that front escalates, things can go down. We said it openly and transparently, we were assured not to worry. Coalition, steered by a few, moved away from that preagreed notion and several others. It was a well designed setup, its not your fault for trying to screw us, it was our mistake to trust some people. Anyways, what are you complaining about? We didn't do enough? We did more for that coalition than, if I know your character right, you're going to be doing for anyone, in near future.