Samwise

I'm pretty sure just hitting flagrunners can be classified as roguery. And if the alliance leader is doing it, it's classified as government sanctioned. Were you going somewhere with this? I'll assume you mean that good ol boys is actually Auctor in-game and sidestep that one because it's irrelevant who he is. We ate 16 nukes, and mailed 3. Even with the nuke damage, we still did over 2/3's the overall damage. That means that either people had a tough 6 days (like I did eating 4 nukes), or some people were met with little to no resistance. Stats were fair, which included paul's and Lestrade's numbers. Nobody but you has disputed that the numbers were fair. Some people in D1 fought back, and some people did nothing. So it was a toss up really on how good ol boys wars would have went, but considering it would have added another active, top tier nation to our ranks, it's more likely we would have gotten in the anarchies in that we needed, and you really would have been D1's only saving grace. At this point, I'm not even sure what we're arguing here. I told him to stay out for D1's benefit, not his, and not War Doves. It most certainly would have been to WDs benefit to accept him, but we did not. Was I wrong here? I'll be proved wrong when you're proudly waving the Defcon 1 banner next round. In this case, I wouldn't mind being proved wrong. It's nice when people find a forever TE home. :) I have nothing against flagrunners either. What I stated is that: They should be in compliance with the Terms of Service They should be in compliance with Game Rules In a game called "Tournament Edition", they should not be turtling/ducking war in efforts to win prizes That being said, do I attack flagrunners because they're flagrunning? Yes. It is Tournament Edition afterall. I'm not sure what else I'm supposed to do. Live and let live? I think not. If I'm flagrunning, do I expect to be hit? You better believe it. Everything. Must. Burn.

No, good ol boys had his first wave of wars while in TEPD. I told him to stay put for the WDs wars because I wanted a legit first war, and his stats would've padded our numbers too much. It was me being the moralist idiot that I am and wanting to give an alliance that we knew were attempting to form a coalition against us, a fair shot at us. In fact, I never even went to TEPD or OP and told them that D1 was messaging other alliances trying to garner support against the 3 of us. The first those ex-TEPD members knew was when they joined WDs because I figured it was a WDs problem. I was probably wrong in not telling them, but I'm pretty sure TEPD got the hint last round that alliances were gunning for them. The same can be said for OP. You can try to spin that by trying to keep the D1 stats fair, I unintentionally helped someone's flagrun by denying them 2 first wars, but had he joined the fight he would've essentially tech raided D1, which would've helped him more. And WDs has actively hit flagrunners every round since 24, most of the time with me leading the charge. Even last round after I had been talked into flagrunning by Kurdanak, I still hit flagrunning nations (who had nukes), taking the risk that it could ruin my chances. I don't just talk the talk, I walk the walk. I know you don't always believe me when I tell you I'm being honest with you, but I might as well give this a shot anyway because truth be told, as much as you annoy the crap out of me sometimes, I really do like you, and I enjoy a civilized conversation with you. Last round, Warriors downdeclared War Doves, and yes, we beat them back and ended up winning. Despite that, War Doves was in a vulnerable state because we had used to much of our funds fighting Warriors. They joined War Doves to protect us in our vulnerable state, not the other way around. We couldn't protect those members. They knew that, and you knew that, which is why you hit those guys anyway. The TEPD members that joined WDs, were official WDs members. They came to us because they saw something they didn't like, and put themselves on the line for it. You state that they abandoned TEPD this round, when last round bombuator (who had DZE from Citadel slotfill him) was asking mutual friends of ours to hit me and knock me from #1. People who know me, know how I play, and didn't appreciate his attempts to ask others to do his dirty work for him. When the word got back to me, I tried to hit him myself, but his slotfillers were in the way. What he did left a bad taste in people's mouths, which is why some of those people came to WDs this round. I still consider bomb a friend, as I'm sure the people who didn't like what he did still do as well. You were not the only nation we failed to anarchy on a large backcollect who bought a MP and nuked us. [url=http://tournament.cybernations.net/stats_news.asp?Page=1&Order=ASC&Field=Attack_Date&Search=War%20Doves&SearchBy=Nation_Alliance&View=A#nukes]We ate 16 nukes total in that conflict, and only returned 3:[/url] I don't need to provide proof for accusing flagrunners of cheating/turtling/avoiding wars. Most people have seen it for themselves first hand, so this "prove it!" retort isn't going to make people doubt the validity of my statement. It happens, and everybody knows it happens because they've seen it themselves. And I never said good ol boys earned a flag. AFAIK we still got a week to go here. All your arguments are irrelevant. You don't make it being a top earner by making poor nation building choices. Not buying a MP to defend himself is a risk. Not purchasing navy to defend himself is a risk. Doing 10 day swaps is definitely a risk. And yes, we do house almost 10% of TE's population. The reason anybody joins alliances is for mutual benefit. On the flipside, I also don't care if you hit Daenarys while s/he's collecting taxes. So there's that. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

This thread is full of win. And if Kurdanak knew that we were slandering your brave, honorable, and secretly treatied name, he'd be most upset. Word down on Dove Street is that he has a man crush on you, Auctor. :ehm:

Inspector Lestrade and paul fought in TEPD's rogue wars, then came over to WDs for the D1 war where they both ate nukes. The 3rd nation, good ole boys was supposed to come over for that war as well, but it was my opinion that the stats were already not tipped in D1's favor enough, so I told him to apply after we received peace. So that one's on me. I have no problem with you hitting Auctor while he's collecting taxes. I agree, bombuator needs a girlfriend. Maybe he got one and that's why we haven't seen him lately. Almost every single flag that has ever been won has involved at least one or all of the following: *Slotfills - spyslots and/or warslots *Collusion - backroom deals to ensure minimum damage, including non-nuke agreements for last minute collections *Nations turtling - fighting back costs money *Nations avoiding wars - rebuilding costs money *Alliances downdeclaring - Want to make sure your flagrunners stay safe, declare an easy war *Multies - For temp trades. For multiple flag attempts. To loot startup funds. *Casualty Farming - In rounds casualties win prizes, people make deals with their friends to take minimum damage while gaining casualties. There are probably more shady things that go on that I haven't seen firsthand, but you get the point. There is a reason when you call someone a flagrunner, that it's an insult. So many cheat that it's almost impossible to win a flag honestly. After round 25, one of the moderators actually had to write up a thread chastising everybody for all the cheating that is rampant in TE. Regrettably, that is the game we play, and nice guys finish last. It's disgusting, and I find my time is better spent worrying about other things until it's the endround and it's time to crush their months of preparation. Kill all flagrunners. Not just the cheating ones. The honest ones too. Everybody who wins a prize in TE should earn it. And trust me, they'll thank you for it. There's no better feeling than bringing home a flag and knowing you're one of the few who earned it honestly and worked your ass off for it.

In SE and TE we live by you're either militarized for defense, or you are in collection mode. There are some noobs that try to do both like being in Defcon 3 or people who never militarize until they go to war, but seasoned players know how to work the system so they get the best of both worlds. Stevie had proper defenses in place, and then he chose to decommission those defenses to collect taxes and was hit. How is that as low as you can get? He made the choice to temporarily sacrifice his defenses for a better tax collection. I do it every tax collection, and yes, I've been hit while collecting taxes. Lowering your defenses is a choice. The rewards you reap far outweigh the risks, which is why every alliance tells their members to do this, but it is a risk all the same. It's the same as raiding people because they do not have proper defenses. What does it matter that it happened to be while he was decommissioning them? And saying the flag was stolen from him is a little much. Just because he was a top earner didn't mean he was sure to win a flag. bombuator had about 100 million more in cash than I did, and still took 2nd. It was the same with my flag in R25. There were people with far more cash than I had and I still placed higher. Anybody who's flagrun before knows there is a lot more to flagrunning than money.

I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if 100,000 infra pixels suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened.

I voted for Grand Ole Party because I don't know who they are, and I think I want to. :ehm:

I also like the list as it shows where you stand in comparison.

I've been pretty depressed all round because I just can't seem to get enough casualties. I mean surely the Shire is the place for Hobbits to die?? So I went to look, and I've finally broke the top 10 casualty count. In fact, I'm 6th right now. Here's to hoping for at least a top 5 finish. o/

;_; See, what had happened was I wasn't expecting our adventure for another 6 days. I planned to do 4 day backcollects to slingshot me into your range. I wouldn't have had more than a 4 day backcollect to go dutch on dinner, but I would have been in range! Just not in the stars right now it seems. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErvgV4P6Fzc It's okay John. We can still war each other next round when you're in War Doves. We've been known to do that once in awhile. Quite effective for training actually when you see first hand how someone wars. ^_^

I'm right hurr. What's up?

Fixed that for you.

Pesky neutrals >:/

Welcome back, Kurdy. You should be happy to know that your mother is still employed for me. :ehm:

Pull your head out of your ass. We're not sitting on large sums of cash trying to trick people into thinking we had a destructive war with Cit/RE. The stats speak for themselves. We had an awesome time, with a lot of NS destroyed on both sides and you don't normally bounce back immediately from those. D1 took an opportunist hit on us because we had yet to rebuild, and then downdeclared us on top of it with almost double the nukes, and ~2.5k avg NS on us. Take out the fact that we were yet to rebuild, and you still have a decent sized downdeclare. So yes, this war is unfair. Did I expect better? Yes, I did. I was told when we picked such a challenging war, that it would leave us vulnerable to something like this, and I figured Cowboy had a shred of honor. I was wrong. I'm not here trying to garner support for any cause. I'm here so that when D1 gets what's coming to them, I can point to this thread and remind them that they asked for it. Everybody has their own perception of winning in this game. I could give 2 !@#$% that we're the number 1 AA right now. I don't care that I've won donation bonuses for SE, and usually give them away to friends. What I do care about is effectively training members of neutral alliances for war. I care about maximizing damage to my opponent while reducing the potential damage I take. Could I declare easy wars and get all that done? Yes. But eventually, you're no longer training for alliance wide warfare, you're tech raiding. That's why we've striven for statistically fair wars and updeclares - so we can learn something, and keep our skills sharp. When this war started, you had more total NS, despite that we had more members. That means that on average, your nations were decently bigger than ours, and the avg NS reflected that. You had almost double the nukes. The numbers have shifted because both sides are destroying NS, and we're spying nukes whereas your guys are spying my cruise missiles (btw, I didn't have any at the time). For the record, War Doves will not be surrendering. We've been in rougher situations that this, and we didn't surrender then. We just don't have it in us, because we fight for each other, not ourselves. I would continue to fight until there was no one else on the WD AA, and I got 40+ members that feel the same way. That's what it means to be a War Dove. Not prizes, not flags, not rankings, but dedication to each other. So be careful. You join WDs for a round, you may just end up calling it home. It happens every round. Happened to me actually ;_;

You can spin my words however you like. My nation isn't at prewar numbers, my warchest isn't at prewar numbers. Hell I didn't even make it back to my peak infra, yet my nation in still in better shape than most in War Doves. This was an opportunist hit on us, and it's a downdeclare to boot because D1 figured it'd be their best shot at getting revenge for our war earlier this round. At least when we hit you guys, we made sure the numbers were fair. And I'm not sure why you're sticking up for D1. You only joined them hoping they would get the top soldier/infra killed awards due to their size, not realizing you joined a Skaro 2.0. If you're in D1 next round, I'll be pretty damned surprised.

Defcon 1 also purposely hit a soft target whereas we declared an actual war. Take a look at our growth charts for our previous wars and you'll see they took minimal damage and we shed half our NS. We're no where near close to being rebuilt and that's why they chose to hit now. That's okay. We can play that way too if D1 wishes.

I War Doves Recognizes a State of War with Defcon 1 I took these stats at about 9:30 this morning: War Doves: Nations: 44 Strength: 401,586 Avg. NS: 9,127 Infra: 77,019 Tech: 10,012 Land: 17,747 Nukes: 55 Defcon 1: Nations: 36 Strength: 415,487 Avg. NS: 11,541 Infra: 74,326 Tech: 10,066 Land: 18,884 Nukes: 90

http://tournament.cybernations.net/alliance_wars.asp?ID=16 For anybody who's awake, we were officially at peace on the 26th of this month, so we're not even a week out of war. Is this another one of those cases where you hit a soft target because you were supposedly light on lunch money?

Welcome to TE, John. In my experience, if you have argue your war is legit, then it's normally not.

Or, some nations actually have an opinion and think for themselves that they might want to try out a different alliance. Non-neutrals switch AA's all the time. If because I'm GOP now means I will always have to be in a neutral alliance then FML. Someone should have told me that.

Sometimes paul needs help understanding humor. :/

Peace has been agreed when the first round of wars expire (7/25-7/26 changeover). All attacks are fair game until then. We were looking for a challenge and you guys didn't disappoint. Good war. Thanks for the radiation. o/

Paul, you're obviously not understanding the joke. "TepiD" is not a spelling error, but rather a jab at TEPD by calling them "tepid" rather than their name. It's similar to when HDSup calls me "Samantha". That would be a jab at my masculinity if I were male. Same as when he accuses Kurdanak of wearing a skirt. Or calling someone "uncool" when their name is "cool". You get the joke now?

Hey, who am I to judge how many wars World Coalition likes at one time? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯