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The Official Terms Given To TOP/IRON/TSO/DAWN/TORN


Ejayrazz

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Since everyone and their mother has seen them, I mine as well post them since I received permission from the person I received them from.

Terms of surrender of The Order of the Paradox (TOP), Independent Republic of Orange Nations (IRON), Democratic Alliance of Wise Nations (DAWN), The Sweet Oblivion (TSO), and The Order of Righteous Nations (TORN) - collectively hereafter referred to as TIDTT.

General

1. TIDTT admits defeat and surrenders to the collective forces of the Complaints & Grievances Union, and their allies in Sparta, Mostly Harmless Alliance, The Grämlins, Fark, Nemesis, Dark Fist, The Brigade, The Resistance, Aloha, Aircastle, The Jedi Order, Prism Protection Front, Siberian Tiger Alliance, New Polar Order, The Alliance of Angry Bees, FOK, Christian Coalition of Countries, Federation of Armed Nations, BaCoN, Ronin, Global Alliance and Treaty Organization, Umbrella, Imperial Assault Alliance, Open Source Alliance, Genesis, Eldar, and the Order of the Black Rose.

Reparations

2. TIDTT shall pay reparations in the amounts outlined below. In the case of both reparations paid directly by TIDTT and of TIDTT paying for tech deals from other alliances, it is the responsibility of TIDTT to ensure that payments reach targets specified by the receiving alliances.

3. TOP shall pay the following reparations:

300K tech to the Complaints & Grievances Union. Up to 150K tech may be purchased by TOP from nations of other alliances at their discretion & coordination.

25K tech to Sparta.

7.5K tech and $105 Million to Dark Fist.

5K tech to The Brigade.

5K tech to The Resistance.

2.9K tech to Nemesis.

4. IRON shall pay the following reparations:

150K tech to the Complaints & Grievances Union. Up to 50K tech may be purchased by IRON from nations of other alliances at their discretion & coordination.

15K tech to Sparta.

6K tech paid for at a rate of 3m per 150 tech for Fark and a Beer Review which must meet their criteria.

6K tech paid for at a rate of 3m per 150 tech for Grämlins

IRON shall agree to provide BACoN with unlimited cast iron frying pans for bacon cooking purposes

a good bourbon review from IRON leaders for FAN

5. DAWN shall pay the following reparations:

10K tech to the Complaints & Grievances Union. Up to 5K tech may be purchased by DAWN from nations of other alliances at their discretion & coordination.

5K tech and 200M to IAA (SHARED WITH TORN)

6K tech to Grämlins, 3K of which is paid for at a rate of 150/3m

500 tech and a Beer Review for Fark which must meet their criteria.

6. TSO shall pay the following reparations:

40K tech to the Complaints & Grievances Union. Up to 20K tech may be purchased by TSO from nations of other alliances at their discretion & coordination.

10K tech to GATO or it's equivalent in cash at $3mil per 100 or any combonation thereof.

5K tech to OSA and a short essay of no less than 400 words on why GNU/Linux is a superior operating system to Windows. Up to 2.5K tech may be purchased by TSO from nations of other alliances at their discretion & coordination.

5K tech to Genesis. Up to 2.5K tech may be purchased by TSO from nations of other alliances at their discretion & coordination.

5K tech to Ronin. Up to 2.5K tech may be purchased by TSO from nations of other alliances at their discretion & coordination.

7. TORN shall pay the following reparations:

10K tech to the Complaints & Grievances Union. Up to 5K tech may be purchased by TORN from nations of other alliances at their discretion & coordination.

5K tech and 200M to IAA (SHARED WITH DAWN)

8. TIDTT alliances and their members shall not engage in inter-alliance aid except aid required to pay reparations.

Length of Terms

9. These terms shall last individually for each TIDTT alliance. When an alliance has completed the full payment of their reparations to designated targets from each receiving alliance, their time subject to these terms is complete.

Amazingly redundant. So far I have heard "NPO has given worse," well who cares? It doesn't mean these aren't ridiculous just because others have been worse. I have heard this would take at least 100 days to pay off (Someone calculate it), let alone people leaving, not being able to pay, or generally refusing to. I am sure we will be losing some people after this, great, just what this game needs. "I love your tears," I am sure that will be mentioned by one egotistical idiot who adds nothing civil to this discussion, mine as well mention it in the initial post.

I am more concerned with the timing. I do not care how much damage an alliance has done, even to mine, I wouldn't give them terms which would jeopardize growth for MONTHS at a time like NPO has done. These terms are ridiculious, and I laugh even harder at people saying "They could have been worse," alright, we get it, but it doesn't change the fact that these will take too long to pay off. "Others have done it," I don't care for it either, just because others had to you'd think they wouldn't wish for others to go through similar situations. Or, best of all, "THEY DID THIS TO THEMSELVES," yeah, they did, but this is exactly what others have done before; causing others to waste slots for months while another side builds and builds. I guess it is how this game goes, I guess you could have asked for more, but good job breaking the cycle. This is a game and ultimately we play it for fun, good job with adding to the problem at hand that this game faces with months of consequences over one war, but wait! Since this is a game, no one TRULY can grasp this concept since mentioning this is just a game is something none of us can accept, therefore we must do what we can to REBUILD PRECIOUS STATS! TOP, you were stupid for the attacks, but these terms are laughable at best. Mind you, these are terms who were only representative tonight. They'll be more most likely.

Even though I was against you TOP in this war, I hope you absolutely refuse these reps and do as much damage as possible. These terms are a joke.

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for a war that everyone (ESPECIALLY CNG) wished for.

Interesting. I never knew we wished for this war. Seems like I didn't get the memo.

Anyway, imo this is reasonable for an alliance with the size and resources of TOP.

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In all fairness my brother, nothing is fair when it takes MONTHS and MONTHS to pay for a war that everyone (ESPECIALLY CNG) wished for. It is no lie alliances like MK wished for TOP's destruction for a long time

You have no idea how wrong you are. The vast majority of CnG had no desire to fight TOP at any point in time. We won't shrink from defending an ally, but we never wanted to go out of our way to go after TOP. Never would have. You can call me a liar, but you can't call me uninformed.

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Interesting. I never knew we wished for this war. Seems like I didn't get the memo.

Anyway, imo this is reasonable for an alliance with the size and resources of TOP.

Just look at TOP's DoW. Or maybe you're just not well informed

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Interesting. I never knew we wished for this war. Seems like I didn't get the memo.

Anyway, imo this is reasonable for an alliance with the size and resources of TOP.

Are you serious? MK has been itching to kill TOP because the two generally do not see eye to eye. I am not saying MK provoked said attacks, I am saying MK has wanted to see them damn infra huggers burn at the stake for a while now. Even most of your own members admit it, and what is better is that YOU were attacked, so YOU can defend yourselves. That is fine, but it is apparent certain factions wanted others dead. Would MK have attacked TOP? No. Not unless TOP attacked an ally, but most of your members wanted to see TOP bleed which is fine -- that's the game we play. :)

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Yeah, except when you buy a house, both the Realtor and you aren't stabbing each other with a dagger waiting for the deal to be closed.

Oh goddamnit so THAT'S why the police are surrounding my new home right now.

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C&G I can understand... but the rest of those alliances are just profiteering from war. No one deserves reps for attacking another alliance. Having paid once for the privilege I can tell you how wrong I believe this to be.

Demand their tech, but do it intelligently and so you don't look like aid scammers. IF C&G want to share their love that's their call, but for it to be demanded directly like this is a farce. I do note however the people involved and expect about that.

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I love all the crying about "it will take months to pay off." I truly, and I mean truly, do not care. This is a game, yes. As such, a HUGE portion of the game is political/economical. The mechanisms built into the game itself, are seemingly designed to not allow for a fluid movement. Any time you decide to run into war, not in defense of anyone, with no CB, because you see it as an opportunity to divide your enemies...you know the potential repercussions. If it took them 3 months to pay this off...WHO CARES. It will take us alot more than 3 months to rebuild the damage that has been caused. And since we like the "its a game" tag line so well, let us not also forget that a HUGE part of this game, as deemed by the creators...is meant to be IC. Im sorry that it will take TOP months try to make amends to the families of those citizens in my nation that they brutally massacred in a wreckless war. Try telling one of my military widows that a 3 month punishment to TOP is worth more than her husbands life. See Ejay...playing the "its a game" card has its caveats as well.

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3 months is really a joke, guys. Stop crying. Many alliances have been kept at war for more than 3 months, many have been kept under Viceroyalties for upwards and over a year. It will take three months due to nothing other than aid mechanics. When I left TOP they demanded 1,600 tech from me--from one nation--that's 60+ days of full slots. At first I factored it with other things and decided to ragequit, then I grew up and decide to pay (by which time I got off bc Crymson was tired of dealing with me). TOP, etc are big boys, and even if they don't negotiate down, they could handle the tech. Like me, they'll grow up.

NPO is still paying reps a YEAR after Karma, to many of these same alliances, where's the public outcry for them? Exactly; just put your favorite side in your sig and stop acting like you're arguing on merit.

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Rush - Mebbe he wouldn't have been killed if you'd peaced us out a month ago with Polar? Just saying like...

Or maybe he wouldnt have been killed if you didnt have failed opportunistic leadership. Just sayin. Nobody other than yourselves made you pull the trigger.

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Or maybe he wouldnt have been killed if you didnt have failed opportunistic leadership. Just sayin. Nobody other than yourselves made you pull the trigger.

But you asked so nicely last time round :(

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NUTS is a WW2 reference. Battle of the Bulge I believe. Germans asked for the American surrender at Bastogne i believe and the American General replied with NUTS! And then held out until reinforcements arrived and ended up winning the battle.

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I love all the crying about "it will take months to pay off." I truly, and I mean truly, do not care. This is a game, yes. As such, a HUGE portion of the game is political/economical. The mechanisms built into the game itself, are seemingly designed to not allow for a fluid movement. Any time you decide to run into war, not in defense of anyone, with no CB, because you see it as an opportunity to divide your enemies...you know the potential repercussions. If it took them 3 months to pay this off...WHO CARES. It will take us alot more than 3 months to rebuild the damage that has been caused. And since we like the "its a game" tag line so well, let us not also forget that a HUGE part of this game, as deemed by the creators...is meant to be IC. Im sorry that it will take TOP months try to make amends to the families of those citizens in my nation that they brutally massacred in a wreckless war. Try telling one of my military widows that a 3 month punishment to TOP is worth more than her husbands life. See Ejay...playing the "its a game" card has its caveats as well.

One blog post and I am crying. Did I not call it? You're crying about crying with your rhetoric, good job. :lol1: Then you follow it up with a "WE GOING TO TAKE LONGER TO REBUILD" so with your rhetoric, once again, you're crying. See what happens when you play the crying card? It negates anything reasonable. How does it go? Your tears are delicious? No, that would be moronic for me to follow your statements up.

IC has nothing to do with reps, and nothing to do with the in-game mechanics..as you suggest. This game has socially evolved by the players, not the creators.

But with all seriousness, this *IS* a game, so why so serious? We going to punish everyone who begins a war with terms which will cause months to pay? Which means, in those months, nothing at all happens which, for the most part, results in political stagnation? So for 3 months they pay terms, rebuild for another year, and then have another war? All hypothetical and far fetched, but the point lingers. It would have been interesting to see Athens, as allies to MK, telling them that 2 or so years ago against NPO's oppression; whether warranted or not.

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So now refusing to accept terms = crying? Lol. You guys realize you are the ones crying about our refusal to accept your gracious offer. Just sack it up and keep fighting. If you actually want peace offer something reasonable.

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3 months is really a joke, guys. Stop crying. Many alliances have been kept at war for more than 3 months, many have been kept under Viceroyalties for upwards and over a year. It will take three months due to nothing other than aid mechanics. When I left TOP they demanded 1,600 tech from me--from one nation--that's 60+ days of full slots. At first I factored it with other things and decided to ragequit, then I grew up and decide to pay (by which time I got off bc Crymson was tired of dealing with me). TOP, etc are big boys, and even if they don't negotiate down, they could handle the tech. Like me, they'll grow up.

NPO is still paying reps a YEAR after Karma, to many of these same alliances, where's the public outcry for them? Exactly; just put your favorite side in your sig and stop acting like you're arguing on merit.

Here we go. Comparing those to older terms so these are reasonable because others have been harsh. A serial killer isn't evil cause Hitler killed more people!! And you're assumption is wrong, these are the slots filled for ALL TOP nations. Some will leave, some will refuse, and these are only terms presented from a few alliances, remember now, they still have others to face and more to purchase. I was hoping the whole taking 3+ months for reps would have been long gone for now. I rather see TOP being reduced to 2m NS and left alone rather than be isolated for 3 months. TOP wont accept these terms, and I don't blame them.

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An alliance which has three times demanded and received the harshest reparations in history from alliances fighting defensive wars thinks they shouldn't have to pay for their own brutally destructive and unwarranted aggressive actions?

Now that's what I call nuts.

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