Divine Treaties

[Vasuda]

[quote name='SpiderJerusalem' timestamp='1299607744' post='2656833']
It was still discussed right up to the date of your DoE. Hell, everything is there, even the discussion about the name.

It's a poor excuse for an alliance, that are trying to copy something they are not capable of coming close to. I find it disgraceful that the name of Nemesis is even mentioned in this, and people should have been honourable enough to keep it out.
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I think you're making a mountain out a mole hill here. It was merely a bad joke in a lame treaty title. Hoo, yourself, and others have voiced their opinions on this matter. Now would be a good time to let it go.

[Hiro Nakara]

[quote name='Hadrian' timestamp='1299611085' post='2656875']
What is wrong with you people? Seriously, you're like robots..

It was an ironic statement. A joke. An attempt at humour. We (well, I) do not care if it evokes reaction from the original members/government, it's the name of a treaty for God sake, get over yourselves. Also, you specifically are in GOONS; you'll forgive me if I do not give a damn what you find distasteful and what you don't.

"Knowing Amossio quite well"? You know he was a part of this from its inception, right? Then left because he was given a government position he didn't want? Yeah, no, I'm sure he won't cry himself to sleep.
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That's right, because I'm in an alliance on planet bob you dislike that means I'm wrong. You're stupid. Of coarse Amossio being offered a Government position and him not taking it has loads to do with him not crying over a treaty you wont sign with him.

You in GOONS thus you are irrelevant, makes perfect sense.

it's as good as NO U!!!!!!!

[Krunk the Great]

Rebirth! When did you reappear?

[Krunk the Great]

[quote name='Hiro Nakara' timestamp='1299610560' post='2656865']
knowing Amossio quite well, I doubt he will cry himself to sleep.
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He'll just cry without sleeping

I hope Amossio never stops delivering lulz and smiles

[Amossio]

[quote name='Hadrian' timestamp='1299610330' post='2656860']


Seeing you trying to flake out like you didn't have anything to do with us is wonderful Amossio. I know who [b]not[/b] to be allied to in future.
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flake out, lol, please, I may have been there from the start but the ending process was very far from it's original plan, as for me leaving, it's not that I didn't get gov position I didn't want, I have my reasons but they are far from that.
As for who not to be allied with, I highly doubt darkfall would want to be associated with Anathema.

[quote]It was an ironic statement. A joke. An attempt at humour. We (well, I) do not care if it evokes reaction from the original members/government, it's the name of a treaty for God sake, get over yourselves. Also, you specifically are in GOONS; you'll forgive me if I do not give a damn what you find distasteful and what you don't.[/quote]

He was nemesis, thus stating his opinion over the name of the treaty is quite valid.
The point is Hadrian, if nemesis was dead and gone why bring it up, furthermore, the alliance has some ex nemesis members, it was started in the nemesis forum, however is very different from nemesis, thus by associating nemesis with anathema over and over in the treaty I do see why people find it quite insulting.
If you didn't want people comenting on nemesis etc, you guys should have thought of the treaty name more carefully.

[Hadrian]

[quote name='Hiro Nakara' timestamp='1299613583' post='2656898']
That's right, because I'm in an alliance on planet bob you dislike that means I'm wrong. You're stupid. Of coarse Amossio being offered a Government position and him not taking it has loads to do with him not crying over a treaty you wont sign with him.

You in GOONS thus you are irrelevant, makes perfect sense.

it's as good as NO U!!!!!!!
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This exaggeration just proves my point. I gave my opinion on the matter, I did not however, say that because you're in an alliance that I despise, you are wrong. I mean, really?! Tell me how the hell you got "U WRONG!" from this?!
[quote]Also, you specifically are in GOONS; you'll forgive me if I do not give a damn what you find distaseful and what you don't.[/quote]
You have just demonstrated a complete lack of reading comprehension. How on bob you were in Nemesis, I don't know. It was a personal opinion, nothing more, nothing less.


[quote name='Amossio' timestamp='1299614786' post='2656908']
[b]flake out, lol, please, I may have been there from the start but the ending process was very far from it's original plan[/b], as for me leaving, it's not that I didn't get gov position I didn't want, I have my reasons but they are far from that.
As for who not to be allied with, I highly doubt darkfall would want to be associated with Anathema.[/quote]
Let me guesssss....you wanted to be Nemesis 2.0? 3.0? Am I close? You did flake out though mate, no point denying it.

Darkfall is frankly, rubbish. I'd be glad that we aren't allied to you.

[quote]He was nemesis, thus stating his opinion over the name of the treaty is quite valid.[/quote]
And I responded with my opinion.

[quote]The point is Hadrian, if nemesis was dead and gone why bring it up, furthermore, the alliance has some ex nemesis members, it was started in the nemesis forum, however is very different from nemesis, thus by associating nemesis with anathema over and over in the treaty I do see why people find it quite insulting.
If you didn't want people comenting on nemesis etc, you guys should have thought of the treaty name more carefully.[/quote]
Right, I'm going to use your argument right there Amossio, 'cos you're making it a little easy. Agreed, we have ex-Nem members in Anathema, who have equal right to use the Nemesis name as say, Hiro over there, or any other former Nemesis member.

Some of you are blowing this out of proportion. Seriously, [i]seriously[/i], it's almost like you think Nem is still around. Newsflash: they ain't.

You should all be more like Bob Ilyani and take a chill pill.

[Sam Winters]

Amossio, chill bulldog, chill!

You tried to recruit me to the new AA you were working on, remember? Called it "Nemers 2.0".

Dunno why you thought I'd be one to join that, but I declined. Later I hear that what was supposedly Nemers 2.0 is now not, and a whole bunch of Nemers folks decided not to go over. Proof enough for me that it's not Nemers 2.0.

[Hiro Nakara]

[quote name='Hadrian' timestamp='1299618203' post='2656975']
This exaggeration just proves my point. I gave my opinion on the matter, I did not however, say that because you're in an alliance that I despise, you are wrong. I mean, really?! Tell me how the hell you got "U WRONG!" from this?! [b]You were implying it by commenting on my AA[/b]

You have just demonstrated a complete lack of reading comprehension. How on bob you were in Nemesis, I don't know. It was a personal opinion, nothing more, nothing less. Classic NO U!! your reading comprehension sucks!!!! [b]I know what you meant and i stand by it.[/b] [b]I was in Nemesis because I passed the rigorous interview that they had at the beginning before it just got stupid.[/b] [b]I hope that explains why I was in Nemesis coupled with the fact I'm an excellent Econ guy
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Let me guesssss....you wanted to be Nemesis 2.0? 3.0? Am I close? You did flake out though mate, no point denying it.

Darkfall is frankly, rubbish. I'd be glad that we aren't allied to you.


And I responded with my opinion.


Right, I'm going to use your argument right there Amossio, 'cos you're making it a little easy. Agreed, we have ex-Nem members in Anathema, who have equal right to use the Nemesis name as say, Hiro over there, or any other former Nemesis member. [b]How many original Nemesis members do you have? How many bastardised Nemesis members do you have? Quite a difference.[/b] [b]When you have original members and government telling you it's bad taste, do you expect a different response when you attach that name to !@#$?[/b]

Some of you are blowing this out of proportion. Seriously, [i]seriously[/i], it's almost like you think Nem is still around. Newsflash: they ain't. [b]No your correct, Nemesis died when its original members left and government left, what came after may have carried the name, but it certainly was not Nemesis.[/b]

You should all be more like Bob Ilyani and take a chill pill. [b]Possibly, but then that would be no fun if we were all Bob. ( <3 Bob)[/b]
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Edited March 8, 2011 by Hiro Nakara

[Incitatus]

[quote name='Van Hoo III' timestamp='1299602490' post='2656766']
Looking at the lineup, I don't think anyone was really going to confuse you for Nemesis. Adding that to this treaty and also stating that you're not Nemesis 2.0, before anyone even accuses you of it, makes you look like you actually [b]want[/b] to be Nemesis 2.0.

Either way, congrats I guess.
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[quote name='Van Hoo III' timestamp='1299603047' post='2656772']
Then you shouldn't mention the name at all. No one would have accused you of trying to be Nemesis 2.0, man. lol
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Actually, check our DoE. Before we even announced this treaty people were calling us "Nemesis 2.0". Whoops!


[quote name='SpiderJerusalem' timestamp='1299607744' post='2656833']
It was still discussed right up to the date of your DoE. Hell, everything is there, even the discussion about the name.

It's a poor excuse for an alliance, that are trying to copy something they are not capable of coming close to. I find it disgraceful that the name of Nemesis is even mentioned in this, and people should have been honourable enough to keep it out.
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LOL! We stopped planning on the Nemesis forums once we got our own forums. Once I joined the project it changed into something other than a "Nemesis 2.0", since that point we decided to take a different route with it. This has nothing to do with Nemesis besides there being a few former Nemesis members a part of it.

The name of the treaty is a shout-out to all the idiots thinking that we are trying to copy Nemesis.

[Mogar]

We're obviously Nemesis 2.4.1, we got a few patches and updates.

[Van Hoo III]

[quote name='Incitatus' timestamp='1299619240' post='2656991']
Actually, check our DoE. Before we even announced this treaty people were calling us "Nemesis 2.0". Whoops! [/quote]

One person. Posted 06 March 2011 - 11:38 PM. This topic was started at 11:35 PM on that same day.

Whoops indeed?

[Hadrian]

So, you knew what I meant, but you continued to be deliberately obtuse? [i]Brilliant[/i] political move there.

This just in ladies and gentlemen: Hiro Nakara says Nemesis isn't Nemesis unless it's original people are part of it.

Ohwai...

[Incitatus]

[quote name='Van Hoo III' timestamp='1299620099' post='2657014']
One person. Posted 06 March 2011 - 11:38 PM. This topic was started at 11:35 PM on that same day.

Whoops indeed?
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Aye, my mistake. Except something tells me that it would had been in the post regardless if he saw the treaty or not. If you've been in IRC at all however, you will see that people have been calling this project Nemesis 2.0. We were getting pretty annoyed with it.

[Hiro Nakara]

[quote name='Hadrian' timestamp='1299620232' post='2657015']
So, you knew what I meant, but you continued to be deliberately obtuse? [i]Brilliant[/i] political move there.

This just in ladies and gentlemen: Hiro Nakara says Nemesis isn't Nemesis unless it's original people are part of it.

Ohwai...
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I think the original government like Hoo, Soccer, Bob and members that stayed will agree. Nemesis ceased to exist when the oldies left and it became something different. Also, reading comprehension. What part of may have had the same name but was different do you not understand?

Edited March 8, 2011 by Hiro Nakara

[Bob Ilyani]

[quote name='Hadrian' timestamp='1299620232' post='2657015']
So, you knew what I meant, but you continued to be deliberately obtuse? [i]Brilliant[/i] political move there.

This just in ladies and gentlemen: Hiro Nakara says Nemesis isn't Nemesis unless it's original people are part of it.

Ohwai...
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Not to be an ass, but isn't that exactly what I said?

[quote][color=#1C2837]You should all be more like Bob Ilyani and take a chill pill. [b]Possibly, but then that would be no fun if we were all Bob. ( <3 Bob)[/quote][/b][/color]
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[color=#1C2837]More than one of my would make this game explode from sheer awesomeness. We'll keep it as is. [/color]

[Hiro Nakara]

[quote name='Bob Ilyani' timestamp='1299621357' post='2657039']
Not to be an ass, but isn't that exactly what I said?

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[color=#1C2837]More than one of my would make this game explode from sheer awesomeness. We'll keep it as is. [/color]
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Indeed Bob, there is only one of you needed to fill my daily quota of awesomeness.

[Draeg28]

[quote name='SpiderJerusalem' timestamp='1299601954' post='2656760']
Yeah...

[i]Any[/i] reference to Nemesis from this sorry lot (daggarz excepted) is a disgrace...
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[quote name='SpiderJerusalem' timestamp='1299606161' post='2656806']
So this is why you discussed this alliance in the old Nemesis forums in the aptly named "Nemesis 2.0" part of the forum section?

Seriously. I would have supported an alliance that actually deserved it, but this is a !@#$@#$ disgrace
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[quote name='SpiderJerusalem' timestamp='1299607744' post='2656833']
It was still discussed right up to the date of your DoE. Hell, everything is there, even the discussion about the name.

It's a poor excuse for an alliance, that are trying to copy something they are not capable of coming close to. I find it disgraceful that the name of Nemesis is even mentioned in this, and people should have been honourable enough to keep it out.
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First, we're not Nemesis 2.0, so please change your underwear and we can continue.

Second, I don't think you realize something: We don't care about you, or your support. We don't give a rat's ass about whether you would have supported us or not, because you are as insignificant as you are egotistical. Your judgement of this alliance, and its members, is as much of a disgrace to this thread, as our 'reference to Nemesis' is to your self-image.

Third, once again; your judgement is irrelevant, I hope it made you feel better. We are not attempting to be Nemesis 2.0, and as such, it is accurate to state that we are not capable of being an alliance most of us were not original members of. However, I enjoy that while you repeatedly state that bringing up Nemesis here is a disgrace upon its name, you are in fact the one continually bringing it up. We mentioned Nemesis one time, as a jest in regard to the location of the original discussion about Anathema.

If you want people to be honorable, perhaps you should start trying it out for yourself. It might help you understand what honor means. It is not Anathema who continues to bring up Nemesis, or talk about who is or isn't capable of being Nemesis 2.0. Not to mention that if you actually read the line which seems to be making you throw these tantrums, you'd realize that not only are we [b]not[/b] what you are claiming that we're claiming we are, but we are actively broadcasting the opposite; that we are, in fact, [b]not[/b] Nemesis 2.0.

Now before you start blathering about disgrace, poor excuses for alliances and honor, please try and remember the following: [i]You are a member of the [u][b]Mushroom Kingdom[/b][/u][/i].

[Bob Ilyani]

[quote name='Draeg28' timestamp='1299622752' post='2657063']
First, we're not Nemesis 2.0, so please change your underwear and we can continue.


Second, I don't think you realize something: We don't care about you, or your support. We don't give a rat's ass about whether you would have supported us or not, because you are as insignificant as you are egotistical. Your judgement of this alliance, and its members, is as much of a disgrace to this thread, as our 'reference to Nemesis' is to your self-image.
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Since when do you create anything on the OWF without expecting it to be ridiculed. Quite frankly, you're dumb if you think that you can post threads and be responded to with a series of mindless hails. We have an issue, and we voiced it. Or would you rather no one say anything? So please, change your diaper and we can continue.

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Third, once again; your judgement is irrelevant, I hope it made you feel better. We are not attempting to be Nemesis 2.0, and as such, it is accurate to state that we are not capable of being an alliance most of us were not original members of. However, I enjoy that while you repeatedly state that bringing up Nemesis here is a disgrace upon its name, you are in fact the one continually bringing it up. We mentioned Nemesis one time, as a jest in regard to the location of the original discussion about Anathema.
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The fact that you brought it up once (though you brought it up twice actually, once in the title and a second time in the treaty wording) doesn't change the fact that you brought it up before anyone else did. No one had the idea that you were Nemesis 2.0 until you went all tooting your horn in your treaty name, like it would be a honor to even be associated with the former alliance. (hint: it is an honor. Nice try though.)

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If you want people to be honorable, perhaps you should start trying it out for yourself. It might help you understand what honor means. It is not Anathema who continues to bring up Nemesis, or talk about who is or isn't capable of being Nemesis 2.0. Not to mention that if you actually read the line which seems to be making you throw these tantrums, you'd realize that not only are we [b]not[/b] what you are claiming that we're claiming we are, but we are actively broadcasting the opposite; that we are, in fact, [b]not[/b] Nemesis 2.0.

Now before you start blathering about disgrace, poor excuses for alliances and honor, please try and remember the following: [i]You are a member of the [u][b]Mushroom Kingdom[/b][/u][/i].
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You make the connection through your words. As soon as you say that you're not Nemesis 2.0 people get the idea that you wish you were. I could post a treaty for RoK saying "This definitely isn't a LUE 2.0 treaty" (just an alliance that came up in my head, relax) and the first thought everyone would have is "How the $%&@ is RoK related to LUE?" Nemesis was a proud community, and by misusing our name in a treaty, we are insulted. And like the atmosphere of the now gone alliance, you are going to hear about it. A lot. Change your treaty name, or take our criticism and move on. But don't act like you're innocent.

Also, it's pretty rude and rash of you guys to insult people based solely off of their AAs. I don't agree with a lot of stuff MK or GOONS do, but Hiro and SpiderJ are my friends, and you can go $%&@ yourself if you're going to continue insulting them by calling them idiots or unhonorable or whatever you will do.


I'm a nice guy. But you better not !@#$@#$ test me.

[drugsup]

On topic please?

Its humourous in itself a mindless joke can afflict such petty tensions.

However good to have "[u]Anathema[/u]" on board. o/

[Incitatus]

[quote name='Bob Ilyani' timestamp='1299626423' post='2657155']
No one had the idea that you were Nemesis 2.0 until you went all tooting your horn in your treaty name
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I love ya Bob, but a lot of folk were calling us Nemesis 2.0 before we even existed. Again, the treaty name is a shout-out to the idiots that thought we were Nemesis 2.0.

[Facade]

[quote name='Van Hoo III' timestamp='1299603047' post='2656772']
Then you shouldn't mention the name at all. No one would have accused you of trying to be Nemesis 2.0, man. lol
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No disrespect intended, Hoo, but nearly everyone I talked to about this project who had only heard rumors and didn't know what it was intended to be called or who was in it referred to us as "Nemesis 2.0". I'd estimate that around 10-15 people called it that in queries to me. I believe that [i]that[/i] is why we called the treaty and etc. what it is.

Directed to all you haters, to be honest I couldn't care less what it's called, and nobody else should either. It's a treaty. Big deal.

[Vasuda]

[quote name='Facade' timestamp='1299633411' post='2657281']
Directed to all you haters, to be honest I couldn't care less what it's called, and nobody else should either. It's a treaty. Big deal.
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Thank you for hitting upon this very important and often missed point. This probably matters less than anything else that could possibly happen (OOC: Even by CN's abysmally low standards).

It's time for this thread to be over now. Everyone shut up and go back to your respective corners until you find something new to !@#$%* and moan about.

[Draeg28]

[quote name='Bob Ilyani' timestamp='1299626423' post='2657155']
Since when do you create anything on the OWF without expecting it to be ridiculed. Quite frankly, you're dumb if you think that you can post threads and be responded to with a series of mindless hails. We have an issue, and we voiced it. Or would you rather no one say anything? So please, change your diaper and we can continue.[/quote]

I never said I expected that, or that you can't voice your issues. I simply asked you to realize that your issue isn't an issue; merely a conclusion you jumped to without actually reading. And nice use of my line to get back at me.

[quote name='Bob Ilyani' timestamp='1299626423' post='2657155']The fact that you brought it up once (though you brought it up twice actually, once in the title and a second time in the treaty wording) doesn't change the fact that you brought it up before anyone else did. No one had the idea that you were Nemesis 2.0 until you went all tooting your horn in your treaty name, like it would be a honor to even be associated with the former alliance. (hint: it is an honor. Nice try though.)[/quote]

Again, we aren't Nemesis 2.0 as just about every single person in this thread has stated. No one is disputing the honor of Nemesis, in fact the entire factor of honor in the previous conversation was about honoring the memory of Nemesis, not Nemesis's honor. Get your facts in order, please, so we can keep this as on-topic as possible.

[quote name='Bob Ilyani' timestamp='1299626423' post='2657155']You make the connection through your words. As soon as you say that you're not Nemesis 2.0 people get the idea that you wish you were. I could post a treaty for RoK saying "This definitely isn't a LUE 2.0 treaty" (just an alliance that came up in my head, relax) and the first thought everyone would have is "How the $%&@ is RoK related to LUE?" Nemesis was a proud community, and by misusing our name in a treaty, we are insulted. And like the atmosphere of the now gone alliance, you are going to hear about it. A lot. Change your treaty name, or take our criticism and move on. But don't act like you're innocent.[/quote]

Actually, I doubt people from LUE would get this butt-sore over someone using their name in a treaty. Well, maybe if it was you. We're not changing our treaty name, and we don't care about your criticism, so get over it. But regardless; I believe we have already covered the part about Anathema having numerous ex-Nemesis members who supported the use of the title, thus you aren't speaking for all of Nemesis, so stop acting like you are.

[quote name='Bob Ilyani' timestamp='1299626423' post='2657155']Also, it's pretty rude and rash of you guys to insult people based solely off of their AAs. I don't agree with a lot of stuff MK or GOONS do, but Hiro and SpiderJ are my friends, and you can go $%&@ yourself if you're going to continue insulting them by calling them idiots or unhonorable or whatever you will do.[/quote]

Well I think it's pretty rude and rash of you guys to come into someone else's thread and troll, when not only does no one care, but your complaining won't accomplish anything except making you all look like a bunch of whiners. Sounds a tad mean, but the truth hurts some times. And while I respect your ability to have friends, and your opinions, I'll continue to call them out on being part of such dishonorable alliances as Mushroom Kingdom. If they don't want to be insulted due to their alliance, they should either leave or change their alliance. Until they do either, I'll keep 'insulting'.

[quote name='Bob Ilyani' timestamp='1299626423' post='2657155']I'm a nice guy. But you better not !@#$@#$ test me.[/quote]

Indeed, thats why you're the one firing off personal attacks with every sentence, using less-than-diplomatic language and are being overly aggressive. Remember; you came here to troll. Don't get all offended and defensive when the people you're trolling fight back. Welcome to life, this is how it works.

Perhaps I could believe you were a nice guy, if I didn't have to write up these posts against you and your friends, for insulting me and my friends.

[Vasuda]

Aaaand nobody listens to me. What else is new?

[Hiro Nakara]

[quote name='Draeg28' timestamp='1299634477' post='2657291']
I never said I expected that, or that you can't voice your issues. I simply asked you to realize that your issue isn't an issue; merely a conclusion you jumped to without actually reading. And nice use of my line to get back at me.



Again, we aren't Nemesis 2.0 as just about every single person in this thread has stated. No one is disputing the honor of Nemesis, in fact the entire factor of honor in the previous conversation was about honoring the memory of Nemesis, not Nemesis's honor. Get your facts in order, please, so we can keep this as on-topic as possible.



Actually, I doubt people from LUE would get this butt-sore over someone using their name in a treaty. Well, maybe if it was you. We're not changing our treaty name, and we don't care about your criticism, so get over it. But regardless; I believe we have already covered the part about Anathema having numerous ex-Nemesis members who supported the use of the title, thus you aren't speaking for all of Nemesis, so stop acting like you are.



Well I think it's pretty rude and rash of you guys to come into someone else's thread and troll, when not only does no one care, but your complaining won't accomplish anything except making you all look like a bunch of whiners. Sounds a tad mean, but the truth hurts some times. And while I respect your ability to have friends, and your opinions, I'll continue to call them out on being part of such dishonorable alliances as Mushroom Kingdom. If they don't want to be insulted due to their alliance, they should either leave or change their alliance. Until they do either, I'll keep 'insulting'.



Indeed, thats why you're the one firing off personal attacks with every sentence, using less-than-diplomatic language and are being overly aggressive. Remember; you came here to troll. Don't get all offended and defensive when the people you're trolling fight back. Welcome to life, this is how it works.

Perhaps I could believe you were a nice guy, if I didn't have to write up these posts against you and your friends, for insulting me and my friends.
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That's funny, I swear my OP didn't contain insults or judgements based on a persons AA, then your idiot alliance friend came in banding insults about peoples AA's. I gave my opinion and then your goonbah friend comes in and claims it's irrelevant because I'm goon. I never came here to argue, if I wanted to hurt you or your alliance, I'd simply discuss the fact that one of your government tried to poach one of our members knowing fine well he was GOONS. AS I stated earlier it's a shame that the fine name of Nemesis is being attached to !@#$. Joke or not. it is distasteful. Did you expect non response from it's original members?

Edited March 9, 2011 by Hiro Nakara