The GM's Court

[Centurius]

In line with established policy of PI I would allow you to still rp attacks made against spy satellites. However the guidelines on satellites are not to be changed at the moment.

[Zoot Zoot]

No Pravus, they wouldnt not be out of range at all. Its 640 miles from Belfast to washington DC.
[b](Belfast is as far away from DC as you get in Maine.)[/b]

My AWACs wouldnt patrol over territory already covered by land based radar, so they moved out to the southern tip of the territorial waters, which like I said, puts them at the extreme edge of detection, im also not referring to the planes, im referring to the missiles.

[Michael McBride]

[quote name='Centurius' timestamp='1303049468' post='2691939']
In line with established policy of PI I would allow you to still rp attacks made against spy satellites. However the guidelines on satellites are not to be changed at the moment.
[/quote]

Then I ask for the ability to go back in RP time and shoot them down. Because seriously, they wouldn't be there.

[quote name='Zoot Zoot' timestamp='1303049574' post='2691940']
No Pravus, they wouldnt not be out of range at all. Its 640 miles from Belfast to washington DC.
[b](Belfast is as far away from DC as you get in Maine.)[/b]

My AWACs wouldnt patrol over territory already covered by land based radar, so they moved out to the southern tip of the territorial waters, which like I said, puts them at the extreme edge of detection, im also not referring to the planes, im referring to the missiles.
[/quote]

Then you would have been over my territorial waters off New England and been shot down. If you had been in your territorial waters, there's no way you would have seen the missiles fired.

[king of cochin]

Pravus Ingruo, you say you would shoot satellites over your territory, but currently you can shoot only satellites in Low Earth Orbit. There exists no way to shoot down satellites in [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium_Earth_orbit"]Medium Earth Orbit[/url]. No nation can shoot down every single Medium Earth Orbit satellites whose orbits take the satellites over their territories. So no, you cannot blind every single satellite, unless of course you can explain here the technology you use to kill satellites in MEO, ie 2,000 km to 35,786 km and where you have RPd the implementation of the said technologies.

Zoot and literally anyone with satellites in Low Earth Orbit or higher would be able to see thermal blooms of ICBMs, let alone around 1000 ICBMs being fired. That is the sort of thing that can never be hidden. So I see no problem in Zoot claiming knowledge of the massive missile barrage.

As regards the evacuation, the kind of evacuation Zoot has described, that is, and I quote [quote]Thousands of ships ranging from ferries to large ocean liners filled the ports around the country as people fled to Svalbard and Franz Josef Land.[/quote] is impossible without a large time as warning to organize said evacuation. If Zoot's motivation for evacuation is the missile attack on Pravus Ingruo, he would need at least a month to organize such a massive evacuation. Zoot may very well claim the start of the evacuation operations, but he would NOT be able to RP the thousands of ships as already readied for evacuation.

[Centurius]

[quote name='king of cochin' timestamp='1303052229' post='2691952']
Pravus Ingruo, you say you would shoot satellites over your territory, but currently you can shoot only satellites in Low Earth Orbit. There exists no way to shoot down satellites in [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium_Earth_orbit"]Medium Earth Orbit[/url]. No nation can shoot down every single Medium Earth Orbit satellites whose orbits take the satellites over their territories. So no, you cannot blind every single satellite, unless of course you can explain here the technology you use to kill satellites in MEO, ie 2,000 km to 35,786 km and where you have RPd the implementation of the said technologies.

Zoot and literally anyone with satellites in Low Earth Orbit or higher would be able to see thermal blooms of ICBMs, let alone around 1000 ICBMs being fired. That is the sort of thing that can never be hidden. So I see no problem in Zoot claiming knowledge of the massive missile barrage.

As regards the evacuation, the kind of evacuation Zoot has described, that is, and I quote is impossible without a large time as warning to organize said evacuation. If Zoot's motivation for evacuation is the missile attack on Pravus Ingruo, he would need at least a month to organize such a massive evacuation. Zoot may very well claim the start of the evacuation operations, but he would NOT be able to RP the thousands of ships as already readied for evacuation.
[/quote]

Cochin there were no ICBMs used but rather hypersonic cruise missiles.

[Zoot Zoot]

Indeed, I was mistaken. They are indeed hypersonic cruise missiles.
Which means if im not mistaken, a low earth orbit satellite would be needed to detect the ammount of launches described.

[king of cochin]

My objection stands countered.

[TheShammySocialist]

[IMG]http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa325/VictorDeltaRomeo/SpyrollPihana2.png[/IMG]

In relation with this [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=100311&view=findpost&p=2690032]post[/url]. I would like two spyrolls against Pihana, one to insert a shipment of truck-mounted missile systems, another roll to insert a crew with them.

[King Timmy]

[quote name='Zoot Zoot' timestamp='1303052896' post='2691957']
Indeed, I was mistaken. They are indeed hypersonic cruise missiles.
Which means if im not mistaken, a low earth orbit satellite would be needed to detect the ammount of launches described.
[/quote]
You would have access to my OTH radar, it's got like a 3000 mile range. Would it detect them okay?

[king of cochin]

[quote name='TheShammySocialist' timestamp='1303237731' post='2693755']
[IMG]http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa325/VictorDeltaRomeo/SpyrollPihana2.png[/IMG]

In relation with this [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=100311&view=findpost&p=2690032]post[/url]. I would like two spyrolls against Pihana, one to insert a shipment of truck-mounted missile systems, another roll to insert a crew with them.
[/quote]

90% Odds. 0-10 is a fail, 11-100 is an win. You have an pair of wins.

[IMG]http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww110/gokulvarmank/shammy2.jpg[/IMG]

[Kankou]

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=101079&view=findpost&p=2694702

Basically, there seems to be some confusion with what the IFV/APC/SPA numbers are. Can we get a simple final ruling to be put in the books, or will it be common sense?


I'm aiming for common sense, really.

[ChesterStevensDevonn]

i don't know what this is but I'm gm and you must change the words to green muffins instead of game masters

[Markus Wilding]

You appear to have ventured into a CNRP thread.

[Mogar]

I have someone willing to donate a submarine from their IG navy, should I RP building it myself or should I have them build it and donate it?

[iKrolm]

[quote name='Mogar' timestamp='1303338381' post='2694908']
I have someone willing to donate a submarine from their IG navy, should I RP building it myself or should I have them build it and donate it?
[/quote]

I don't think it works that way. Having ships IG not only signifies that you have the ships, but also that you have the capacity to build, maintain, and crew a naval vessel.

[Centurius]

[quote name='iKrolm' timestamp='1303340935' post='2694937']
I don't think it works that way. Having ships IG not only signifies that you have the ships, but also that you have the capacity to build, maintain, and crew a naval vessel.
[/quote]

Actually if someone takes out a ship from their own rp'd fleet which they have ig it is allowed.

Say I have 7 carriers in-game, I could give Sarah one and she would have a fully functioning Aircraft Carrier, however that would mean I would need to rp with 6 until the carrier I gave away was either destroyed or otherwise put inactive.

[Sargun II]

[quote name='Centurius' timestamp='1303342543' post='2694955']
Actually if someone takes out a ship from their own rp'd fleet which they have ig it is allowed.

Say I have 7 carriers in-game, I could give Sarah one and she would have a fully functioning Aircraft Carrier, however that would mean I would need to rp with 6 until the carrier I gave away was either destroyed or otherwise put inactive.
[/quote]

When did this happen? You can't control anybody's troops other than your own. That's how it's been for a long time, unless I missed some sort of new ruling.

Edited April 21, 2011 by Sargun

[Centurius]

[quote name='Sargun' timestamp='1303344225' post='2694985']
When did this happen? You can't control anybody's troops other than your own. That's how it's been for a long time, unless I missed some sort of new ruling.
[/quote]

This was established around the time navies were actually implemented in-game, it was to facilitate those who were selling ships.

[Sargun II]

[quote name='Centurius' timestamp='1303344626' post='2694991']
This was established around the time navies were actually implemented in-game, it was to facilitate those who were selling ships.
[/quote]

I'd like to see some evidence of this, please

[Centurius]

[quote name='Sargun' timestamp='1303346070' post='2695014']
I'd like to see some evidence of this, please
[/quote]

I'm not going to dig into the archives right now considering the search feature isn't actually making that a job you finish in a few minutes, however I clearly remember this was repeated several times over the course of the last few years by players and gms alike.

[Sargun II]

[quote name='Centurius' timestamp='1303346294' post='2695018']
I'm not going to dig into the archives right now considering the search feature isn't actually making that a job you finish in a few minutes, however I clearly remember this was repeated several times over the course of the last few years by players and gms alike.
[/quote]
I just want some evidence, man

[Centurius]

[quote name='Sargun' timestamp='1303346376' post='2695021']
I just want some evidence, man
[/quote]

I know and I will look for it, but not tonight, there are 767 google results for 'cnrp navy'

[king of cochin]

Cent, AFAIK, you can RP a navy only if you have a ship IG. For the example you mentioned, sure you could RP selling a carrier to sarah, but all its operations would still have to be controlled to you. Having seven carriers IG means a total of seven carriers you control in CNRP. Now that could be as part of your own fleet or by proxy for another player, like how Maelstrom Vortex RPd his units as subservient to Triyun's forces during their merger.

[Captain Enema]

You know.. I agree to some extent with both Cent and Coochin.

Like.. I think it should be ok with us being able to transfer ships to other people.

but so long as that ship is with the other lot, we lose the right to rp it until it is sunk or given back.

I just think though we should be allowed to transfer that ship and not have to rp it as it physical item.

A big one mind you, but none the less.. a physical item.

Just my thoughts.. I don't want to make a fight out of it. Doesn't do me much good, I don't have a navy and all.

[HHAYD]

[quote name='Tidy Bowl Man' timestamp='1303352965' post='2695159']
You know.. I agree to some extent with both Cent and Coochin.

Like.. I think it should be ok with us being able to transfer ships to other people.

but so long as that ship is with the other lot, we lose the right to rp it until it is sunk or given back.

I just think though we should be allowed to transfer that ship and not have to rp it as it physical item.

A big one mind you, but none the less.. a physical item.

Just my thoughts.. I don't want to make a fight out of it. Doesn't do me much good, I don't have a navy and all.
[/quote]
I recall in the past when RPers with small IG countries had nukes granted by RPers with nuke-armed IG countries. I don't know how well that turned out.