Sephiroth Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Disappointing to say the least. Good luck IRON and TOP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king cjc Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Didnt expect to see this this morning o/ Harmlins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorkingClassRuler Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 (edited) You wanna e-lawyer? Then check the !@#$@#$ article. Prohibiting from initiating "Aggressive" action. What we are doing is Defensive. Maybe if IRON and TOP hadn't aggressively joined the opposite side of a coalition to attack our friends, we wouldn't have had to attack IRON. But ya did, so this is the consequences. Edited January 29, 2010 by Working_Class_Ruler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George the Great Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 (edited) Please Gremlins, Don't betray TOP Oh wait Please TOP, don't have LM order NADC, NATO and TFD to attack Umbrella. Oh wait. Edited January 29, 2010 by George the Great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titus Pullo Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 You wanna e-lawyer? Then check the !@#$@#$ article. Prohibiting from initiating "Aggressive" action. What we are doing is Defensive. Maybe if IRON and TOP hadn't aggressively joined the opposite side of a coalition to attack our friends, we wouldn't have had to attack IRON. But ya did, so this is the consequences. You keep missing that interpretation clause. If TOP sees it as aggression on your part, the treaty seems void... Do they? I don't know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George the Great Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 You keep missing that interpretation clause. If TOP sees it as aggression on your part, the treaty seems void... Do they? I don't know... tbqh, who cares what TOP thinks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobbogon Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 (edited) TOP and IRON declared on C&G, who had nothing to do with this conflict at the time. MHA is defending their ally MK)well i thought they were allies, at least). Gre is helping its friend MHA, as well as Fark and MK. We're all friends Edited January 29, 2010 by tobbogon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorkingClassRuler Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 You keep missing that interpretation clause. If TOP sees it as aggression on your part, the treaty seems void... Do they? I don't know... And what a useless treaty it would be if TOP could just willy nilly redefine aggression and defense to justify their own actions. If they think they can actually do that, then they (like you) are sadly mistaken. But you're the one coming in here making a fuss about treaty violations and conveniently ignoring TOP's actions. I understand you're on the opposite side and wish to make some kind of point, but by all means find a correct one next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nizzle Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 And what a useless treaty it would be if TOP could just willy nilly redefine aggression and defense to justify their own actions. If they think they can actually do that, then they (like you) are sadly mistaken. But you're the one coming in here making a fuss about treaty violations and conveniently ignoring TOP's actions. I understand you're on the opposite side and wish to make some kind of point, but by all means find a correct one next time. You're friends in Gremlins see the right to redefine aggression and defense as they need. It's part of their Codex. Silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firkked Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 o/ harmlins Good luck, IRON. I'll see you on the battlefield. o/ Härmlins o/ Aqua o/ Deja Vu Have fun IRON, see you on the other side. Thank you for the kind words in a sea of blood lust, I hope to bring you a good fight should you come to the shores of Uller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorkingClassRuler Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 You're friends in Gremlins see the right to redefine aggression and defense as they need. It's part of their Codex. Silly. Their Codex is not an agreement between two alliances, and specifically not between TOP and MHA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombie Glaucon Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 I do not see any breach, for you see Harmlin Accords trump all other treaties that we hold. o/ MHAil MHA! Good Luck Iron Is this a secret clause of the treaty, or just supposed to be unwritten but understood? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutterbug Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 (edited) o/ Harmlins o/ C&G lets get this game on now! We fought IRON once with less of a force and won, now with 8 others in on the action IRON will be nothing! As to the haters in TOP that have an issue ya know where to cancel the treaty. Some might say it would do us a favour as Crymson these last few days has loved trying to force who we can/can't fight or whatever to fit his regime. I consider TOP to be no ally of mine. Also for TOP in the harmlin accords b. Should any alliance or group which has a treaty with any Härmlin, plan or perform aggressive action towards another Härmlin, the pact with the foreign party will be made null and void and all Härmlin will stand united in repelling the aggressor. In conspiring with an enemy you conspired against us. ^ Personal opinion only but hey. Edited January 29, 2010 by scutterbug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titus Pullo Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 And what a useless treaty it would be if TOP could just willy nilly redefine aggression and defense to justify their own actions. If they think they can actually do that, then they (like you) are sadly mistaken. But you're the one coming in here making a fuss about treaty violations and conveniently ignoring TOP's actions. I understand you're on the opposite side and wish to make some kind of point, but by all means find a correct one next time. By all means, read your treaty before you start saying that you couldn't have possibly breached it. Just look at Article IV of "The Harmless Paradox Treaty", it says that the treaty is open to interpretation. So yea, TOP can pretty much define your actions however they see fit, according to the treaty that you both hold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobbogon Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Neither C&G, TOP, TORN or IRON had anything to do with the war that was current at the time, as I see it. If TOP and IRON dont need an ally to enter the war for, why do Harmlins have to have a treaty with someone in C&G to war as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titus Pullo Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Neither C&G, TOP, TORN or IRON had anything to do with the war that was current at the time, as I see it. If TOP and IRON dont need an ally to enter the war for, why do Harmlins have to have a treaty with someone in C&G to war as well? Your answer: What we are doing is Defensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutterbug Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Your answer: Go cuddle up with your buddies in IRON and get outta our DoW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorkingClassRuler Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 By all means, read your treaty before you start saying that you couldn't have possibly breached it. Just look at Article IV of "The Harmless Paradox Treaty", it says that the treaty is open to interpretation. So yea, TOP can pretty much define your actions however they see fit, according to the treaty that you both hold. Yep, read it mate. That does not entitle TOP to accuse us of violating the treaty because they have moved the goal posts on aggression and defense after declaring war. That's ridiculous. That article is clearly meant to ensure proper discussion on the events and actions, not for some half-witted know-it-all with a clear bias to run around screaming "VIOLATION!!!" I'm also amazed at the double standard you are perpetrating here. I do hope you have likewise gone to TOP's thread to insist that they look at their own treaty and suggest that MHA can "define your actions however they see fit." Should I even waste my time looking to see if you have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liluant Islands Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 This is a great announcement and I am personally very glad to see it. It will be awesome to work with our allies in MHA and to work with The Grämlins also . o/ Härmlins o/ Sparta Now let's get this job done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutterbug Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Yep, read it mate. That does not entitle TOP to accuse us of violating the treaty because they have moved the goal posts on aggression and defense after declaring war. That's ridiculous. That article is clearly meant to ensure proper discussion on the events and actions, not for some half-witted know-it-all with a clear bias to run around screaming "VIOLATION!!!" I'm also amazed at the double standard you are perpetrating here. I do hope you have likewise gone to TOP's thread to insist that they look at their own treaty and suggest that MHA can "define your actions however they see fit." Should I even waste my time looking to see if you have? They only hate us because we wouldn't be the puppets they wanted us to and do what they wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenex Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Happy to see this, good luck out there guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordAkanata Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Is this a secret clause of the treaty, or just supposed to be unwritten but understood? It's actually directly written in the Harmlin Accords. This is a supremacy clause if I've ever seen one: b. Should any alliance or group which has a treaty with any Härmlin, plan or perform aggressive action towards another Härmlin, the pact with the foreign party will be made null and void and all Härmlin will stand united in repelling the aggressor. o/ Harmlins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avernite Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 We did neither plan nor perform agression against any Härmlin. You also don't seem to have an MDP with MK. Thus, you ARE in violation of the treaty, even though grämlins isn't. Unless you wish to argue your Grämlins MDP is triggered by Grämlins declaring war on IRON. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorkingClassRuler Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Please indicate what we're in violation of, supposedly. The other guy couldn't do it, perhaps you could shed some light? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avernite Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 article 2.5: 5. Both signatories are prohibited from initiating offensive action against any MDP/MADP partners of the other signatory. This clause will not apply should an MDP/MADP partner of either signatory initiate any hostilities that lead to activation of an MDP by either signatory. IRON is an MDP partner of TOP, and the second sentence clearly indicates what offensive action means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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