Khyber Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 So you agree they're the same? Thank you. I love you guys. Yes, we all want to be just like the NSO. Sadly not enough Ivans in this world to go around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwoody Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Hi Woody!!!Im sure we will be just fine with friends like the Mushroom Kingdom, Fark, Fok, Argent, Umbrella to name a few. If it ever came to us being attacked our friends wouldnt let us die, just like we will never let it happen to them. Harmlins is Harmlins that tie will never be broken. Perhaps so, I'm sure the next time world drama rears its head the true nature of your new path will be revealed, whatever it may be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guffey Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 very very intersting turn of events. Things just keep getting better and better. good luck with your path Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wadsworth Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Saved us the trouble, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenzilla Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Excellent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgrum Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Perhaps so, I'm sure the next time world drama rears its head the true nature of your new path will be revealed, whatever it may be. Yes but lest us assume that there is only one path to travel and that path dosent split from time to time. Without written treaties one dosent have to be dragged into a conflict by an ally who dosent have your interest in mind at all, but rather is using you as leverage for thier own position. So yeah your close, the true nature of allies and thier intent when acting is often imposed due to having the paper in place and the accepted norm of it being an unshakable binding contract. You should know that, your in Torn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Fingolfin Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 I've heard that TOP has bandied about such a theory. Good luck. Although people really shouldn't overstate this, they're still tied to MHA who is the #2 alliance in the game and is incredibly well connected. So Gramlins hasn't really pulled a VE and gone off on their own based on friendships alone, they aren't at risk of getting cornered and attacked. They get attacked, MHA defends, MHA allies defends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwoody Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Yes but lest us assume that there is only one path to travel and that path dosent split from time to time. Without written treaties one dosent have to be dragged into a conflict by an ally who dosent have your interest in mind at all, but rather is using you as leverage for thier own position. So yeah your close, the true nature of allies and thier intent when acting is often imposed due to having the paper in place and the accepted norm of it being an unshakable binding contract. You should know that, your in Torn Sure, its entirely possible that Gremlins will admirably execute this with pure intent and impress everyone. Might even create an example many follow. All will be revealed as soon as its tested, don't you agree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boondock Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 To those mentioning the MHA Treaty: Härmlins is uncancellable, but even without the treaty and us being completely "independent" things would be exactly the same. Also, o/ and stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galapagos Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Creative as always Gramlins! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hizzy Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 NPO could learn a lesson here about how to cancel a treaty with no cancellation clause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micheal Malone Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Look at his alliance affiliation. The history of alliances going fully independent isn't a rosy one.Perhaps the Gramlins will find themselves more successful though, especially by holding the MHA tie. Speaking of alliance affiliations, should we look at yours? The fact that you're still in charge, and still continue to post in the OWF, leads me to believe that you're not aware that you've lost pretty much all credibility. You are aware of that, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin32891 Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 I love you guys. Yes, we all want to be just like the NSO. Sadly not enough Ivans in this world to go around. See was that so hard? I'm glad we've come to an agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwoody Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 (edited) Speaking of alliance affiliations, should we look at yours? The fact that you're still in charge, and still continue to post in the OWF, leads me to believe that you're not aware that you've lost pretty much all credibility. You are aware of that, right? A most stunning retort, which thoroughly deconstructs my point, whatever you think it was. OOC: Lighten up Francis, you won't have to put up with me once school starts if its so painful to you <3 Edited January 16, 2010 by bigwoody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boscher Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Härmlins is uncancellable Like the OoO? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgrum Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Sure, its entirely possible that Gremlins will admirably execute this with pure intent and impress everyone. Might even create an example many follow. All will be revealed as soon as its tested, don't you agree? No I dont agree, all will not be revealed because what happens "soon" is likely going to be subjective. Just like what happened prior, thus you never know whom is going to be the idiot or make a good argument for or against a specific action. Even friends make massive errors in judgement as has happened many times on our dear planet. Impressing people was never the intent (pure), it was simply to shake out of accepted norms and practices and become a different entity going forward. If others follow suit, so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ertyy Posted January 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 We're not responsible for NPpO's screwups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hizzy Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Like the OoO? NPO could learn a lesson here about how to cancel a treaty with no cancellation clause. I'll give'm credit where it's due. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwoody Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 No I dont agree, all will not be revealed because what happens "soon" is likely going to be subjective. Just like what happened prior, thus you never know whom is going to be the idiot or make a good argument for or against a specific action. Even friends make massive errors in judgement as has happened many times on our dear planet. Impressing people was never the intent (pure), it was simply to shake out of accepted norms and practices and become a different entity going forward. If others follow suit, so be it. If there is a universal law here, no matter what you do many will cheer it and many will criticize, mostly due to affiliations. Some are capable of rational and objective thought however, and they'll be watching to see what you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin32891 Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 We're not responsible for NPpO's screwups. No one is saying that you are. Also. Please Gramlins! Don't betray Mushroom Kingdom, Argent, Umbrella, Fark, and FOK!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgrum Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 If there is a universal law here, no matter what you do many will cheer it and many will criticize, mostly due to affiliations. Some are capable of rational and objective thought however, and they'll be watching to see what you do. On this point, we agree completely. Cheers woody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwoody Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 On this point, we agree completely. Cheers woody Cheers. I'm rather hopeful that you guys do as you say and set a good example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Instr Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 The way I see this is that Graemlins has just surrendered its foreign policy sovereignty to MHA. MHA still maintains treaties, but Graemlins does not, so informal decisions by Graemlins are superseded by the treaties binding MHA and binding Graemlins to MHA. So as of this moment: Mushroom Kingdom Argent Umbrella Fark FOK Of these few, Umbrella is bound via MDP with MHA. Fark has a MDoAP with MHA. Argent, FOK, and Mushroom Kingdom no longer have any ties to Graemlins. The previous treaty cancellation with TOP is covered by an MDoAP with MHA. So the way I see it, it's a stealth downgrading of Graemlins' ties to Mushroom Kingdom, Argent, and FOK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Shepard Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Grämlins keeping the Harmlin accords isn't a big surprise. MHA and Gärmlins have always been close alliances. Wish Grämlins well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James I Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Thanks for pioneering this, NSO. 9_9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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