Tahsir Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 (edited) As stated above, this is a poll of the community to judge if Junio is a CNRPer, or just a Game Related Rp person who is taking up space and causing arguments in our community. To vote: You MUST post what your vote was. Why you voted is optional. Votes without a post are not counted. You MUST be a CNRPer. No stacking the votes by calling random people to "lol I dunno wut dis iz, but vote______" or "Hey ______ alliance, vote for ______" Keep arguments out of here. Use one of the other threads for OOC things. Don't clutter this with OOC discussion. Edit: Something to clarify. We are NOT stopping junio from Roleplaying. We are seeing if he is part of CNRP. Nothing prevents him from doing his own separate story. second edit In case anyone is unclear as to what is going on. I have this quote to illustrate the situation. OOC: If you want to roleplay with me, you will have to roleplay with my rules, when i will roleplay with you (i hope not) then i will play by your rules.I will stop roleplaying dissidents, but i will also stop to recognize your presence in Italy. Edited December 14, 2009 by Tahsir Re Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loannes Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 I voted yes. He's been upsetting the community for far too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavo Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 I'd have to go out and say yes. Not because he's "ignoring" the community, but due to the fact that he doesn't keep his story straight. Is he IG, IC, a combo? This has never had a definitive answer, or rather, the answer changes when convenient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Yes, he ignores the community, he should then be ignored by the community This. I still like him outside of CNRP, but srsly, he's getting crazy-$@! in here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The FSM Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Yes, for the same reasons as Lavo. While Borghese may be a very nice person OOC, I cannot agree with the way he is doing things in RP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Alright, as much as I don't care for Botha Mode, it's not an inherent problem. Botha has been here for a very long time and his way of playing isn't disruptive at all. He is consistent and does so in a respectful manner. What Junio is doing, though, is essentially isolating himself from the entire world, as if he is on another planet, and refuses to recognize any injunction against him. Excuse me for saying this, but that is chicken!@#$. Even Botha has said he recognizes, though I presume under certain circumstances, unplanned wars. But even then, I have never seen Botha once complain about anything regarding international interactions with his nation OOCly. As much as I hate to say it, though, I do regret going forward with the Somalia Italianna ordeal. Why? It started all of this nonsense and it turned into a childish masquerade. But, it has to be noted: Junio was not adhering to Botha mode by having that colony. He was outside his sphere of influence. Perhaps that is a minute detail, but just keep that in mind. I have no problem with Botha mode, but I do have a problem with an optional Botha mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 I'd have to go out and say yes. Not because he's "ignoring" the community, but due to the fact that he doesn't keep his story straight. Is he IG, IC, a combo? This has never had a definitive answer, or rather, the answer changes when convenient. I agree with this, he needs to decide if he's part of the community or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agostinho Neto Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 (edited) I clicked null vote, but i will not leave. I know some people will not ignore me, and that's fine for me. You are trying to use the word "community" (a community developed in an IRC channel) as weapon against me, which is something i don't tolerate. I respect CN rules and i translate my CN stats and IG mechanics in roleplay, that's what i do and i will always do. I was part of this community before many other players who came here, which is irrelevant to the issue actually, but i just want you to know i'm not the newest guy with no experience and history behind. I was King Joseph III of the Kingdom of Sahrani I was Boris Pochenko of Slovetzia I was President Aliyev of Azerbaijani Republic I was Rothenber of the American Union State I am Junio Borghese of Repubblica Italiana Sahrani was a pro-democratic Monarchy Slovetzia was a stalinist soviet republic Azerbaijan was a presidential democracy The American Union State was a nationalist-conservative authoritarian republic Repubblica Italiana was/is a fascist country People started to "bring it on me" since i established the fascist state - coincidence. You can't come here and say "ok now you are gone, we ignore you", this game is free and it's my right to roleplay here as long as i don't break the forum rules (something i have done like 2 times in almost 2 years). Edited December 14, 2009 by Junio Borghese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generalissimo Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 I vote no, he is a CNRPer. I also think this vote is bad precedent, we don't kick people out of the community out of character - in character actions only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 I clicked null vote, but i will not leave. I know some people will not ignore me, and that's fine for me.You are trying to use the word "community" (a community developed in an IRC channel) as weapon against me, which is something i don't tolerate. I respect CN rules and i translate my CN stats and IG mechanics in roleplay, that's what i do and i will always do. Dude, you are seriously bent on thinking the world actually gives two !@#$s about hating you. We don't hate you. #CNRP is an inanimate object so no, it cannot develop anything. So unless you can prove to me that MSN can make me chocolate cupcakes, your argument is moot. In all seriousness, we don't sit it consorting on IRC how to make your RP miserable. We talk about random stuff. It just acts as another medium for the community. However, if you refuse to recognize the actions of the community, then you will be unrecognized by the community. It's as simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 I vote no, he is a CNRPer.I also think this vote is bad precedent, we don't kick people out of the community out of character - in character actions only. I agree right here. Although I disagree with what Junio is doing, kicking him out is also something we should not, or are even allowed, to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 I vote aye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agostinho Neto Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Dude, you are seriously bent on thinking the world actually gives two !@#$s about hating you. We don't hate you. #CNRP is an inanimate object so no, it cannot develop anything. So unless you can prove to me that MSN can make me chocolate cupcakes, your argument is moot. In all seriousness, we don't sit it consorting on IRC how to make your RP miserable. We talk about random stuff. It just acts as another medium for the community. However, if you refuse to recognize the actions of the community, then you will be unrecognized by the community. It's as simple as that. I have the MSN logs of Sargun asking me oocly how many soldiers i had stationed in Somalia... and i answered... two minutes later he deployed troops according to the number of troops i had stationed there - how did he know the number of my troops in Somalia? Did he roleplay any spy action at least? No he didn't... and that's when i started thinking "Ok, if this is going in MSN, it means someone wants me out for OOC reason - i will lot anyone kick me out like that of the community i have been part of for almost 2 years". I remember the chats during the nordland war.. when i was Azerbaijan, and you know what really "scares" me? I was against Kaiser Martens, and i remember using the OOC chat to say "we will win, we will defeat nords"... months later i discovered the reasons of that war... the real reasons, the OOC arguings of the #cnrp channel. Since then i think the CNRP chat is damaging the roleplay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 I have the MSN logs of Sargun asking me oocly how many soldiers i had stationed in Somalia... and i answered... two minutes later he deployed troops according to the number of troops i had stationed there - how did he know the number of my troops in Somalia? Did he roleplay any spy action at least? No he didn't... and that's when i started thinking "Ok, if this is going in MSN, it means someone wants me out for OOC reason - i will lot anyone kick me out like that of the community i have been part of for almost 2 years". Probably because it wasn't clarified how many people you had there? Satellites can do wonders ICly. And IG, you can see how many soldiers someone has, interesting enough. the OOC chat to say "we will win, we will defeat nords"... months later i discovered the reasons of that war... the real reasons, the OOC arguings of the #cnrp channel. Since then i think the CNRP chat is damaging the roleplay. You mean all of the BAWWWing in the #cnrp made by the people who were losing? They pulled a bunch of crap beforehand that led up to a lot of negative karma points. Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justinian the Mighty Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 I have the MSN logs of Sargun asking me oocly how many soldiers i had stationed in Somalia... and i answered... two minutes later he deployed troops according to the number of troops i had stationed there - how did he know the number of my troops in Somalia? Did he roleplay any spy action at least? No he didn't... and that's when i started thinking "Ok, if this is going in MSN, it means someone wants me out for OOC reason - i will lot anyone kick me out like that of the community i have been part of for almost 2 years". I remember the chats during the nordland war.. when i was Azerbaijan, and you know what really "scares" me? I was against Kaiser Martens, and i remember using the OOC chat to say "we will win, we will defeat nords"... months later i discovered the reasons of that war... the real reasons, the OOC arguings of the #cnrp channel. Since then i think the CNRP chat is damaging the roleplay. I'd like to know those reasons if you're ok with sharing. Also I nulled the vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botha Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 I voted null vote. I like Junio and personally enjoy his domestic RP. I don't think people should dictate what you can and cannot RP. If someone doesn't like someone else RPing a fascist or communist or whatever state - too bad, they are entitled to do that. I don't think he should be kicked out as that is simply being 'elitist'. However... I think he seriously needs to rethink how he carries out his RP in the future with other members of the community. For someone to RP in the so-called Botha Mode, it requires tact, discretion, and treading lightly. Essentially being a neutralist and being as least antagonistic as possible. It also requires having and maintaining the respect of one's fellow RPers, something he has failed to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Yes. He deliberately RP's a state that is antagonistic and insulting to many others. Then refuses to accept that there just MIGHT be consequences for such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tahsir Posted December 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 (edited) edit: moved it into the OP second edit: I'm doing a null vote, I started the thread, so I should simply see who votes where. Edited December 14, 2009 by Tahsir Re Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agostinho Neto Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 (edited) Yes. He deliberately RP's a state that is antagonistic and insulting to many others.Then refuses to accept that there just MIGHT be consequences for such. If insulting and being antagonistic is enough to bomb a country, i should shut my window close right now and watch out for bombers. But that's another issue. Edited December 14, 2009 by Junio Borghese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 (edited) If insulting and being antagonistic is enough to bomb a country, i should shut my window close right now and watch out for bombers. But that's another issue. It doesn't always result in that...but you don't even recognize SANCTIONS unless they are IG. That's also not recognizing consequences. Even in RL, people do get attacked or sanctioned for being antagonistic and insulting. Edited December 14, 2009 by Subtleknifewielder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavo Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 You are trying to use the word "community" (a community developed in an IRC channel) as weapon against me, which is something i don't tolerate. The CNRP "community" existed years before the IRC channel did, the current one dating back to the old scramble threads. The reason the community has been evoked is due to the fact that this is an issue that involves all CNRPers, and thus the whole community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 The CNRP "community" existed years before the IRC channel did, the current one dating back to the old scramble threads. The reason the community has been evoked is due to the fact that this is an issue that involves all CNRPers, and thus the whole community. I loved those scramble threads. The days before the map thread where you had to ask where everyone was every few weeks. <___< Well, it was fun but I like the new system better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agostinho Neto Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 The CNRP "community" existed years before the IRC channel did, the current one dating back to the old scramble threads. The reason the community has been evoked is due to the fact that this is an issue that involves all CNRPers, and thus the whole community. My roleplay style, being isolationist, is something that shouldn't concern anyone else but me. I didn't hurt/insult/harras/threat anyone with my isolationism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Wilding Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 It's not that he's in Botha Mode. No, that's a stupid argument. What it is is that Junio doesn't recognize IC actions for what they are. Take my spy for example. I bought a couple spies so that I could spy on Junio. I had an IC reason, I had odds, I needed a roll. Junio contacted me (or the other way around, whichever you wanna call it) and told me he would never recognize it unless it was IG. I don't want to "kick him out", so to speak, but yes, he has ignored a good bit of the CNRP guildlines and we need to set a precedent about what happens when somebody breaks those rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavo Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 My roleplay style, being isolationist, is something that shouldn't concern anyone else but me. I didn't hurt/insult/harras/threat anyone with my isolationism This is an entirely different point and has nothing to do with what I said. Now that the red herring bit is cleared, I will address this point. Your RP style is a concern of other RPers, purely due to the fact that you exist and because people care about international issues and people, which is what foreign affairs are. While you are isolationist, you make comments which other countries do not agree with, and at times, are disturbed and concerned over. That makes them more likely to act, through war (as MC1 has), through economic sanctions (which I had throughout your fascist period), and through diplomatic actions. Furthermore, some world leaders have problems with government systems such as fascism, due to their country's respective history or other reasons. This makes them more likely to take action against your nation, even if you have not committed any "wrong" per say. As such, your domestic and foreign affairs are the concern of others, whether you can agree with it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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