Doitzel Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 I am sooo freaking pissed off about this update. I'm a tech heavy nation, my nation strength that was artificlaly inflated is now more realistic and my bills have also been reduced because I'm now closer to the 10% threshold for infras upkeep reduction. Oh holy god I'm pissed. Personally I'll be quitting the game over this travesty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idriveavw Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Personally I'll be quitting the game over this travesty. can the last one leaving the game please turn off the lights? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Y Wonka Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 can the last one leaving the game please turn off the lights? Lights? Technology means nothing... we use candles here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idriveavw Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Touché Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Lights? Technology means nothing... we use candles here. Ah, well I guess it's a good thing tech strength was reduced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Y Wonka Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Where do I trade in my tanks and air force for long swords and cross bows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnNL Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Well, since mr. admin is posting in the thread, the least you can do to compensate the tech heavy nations is by adding a "sell tech" option in-game. That way, we could get a small part of our money back and invest it in infra instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Dracula Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Lights? Technology means nothing... we use candles here. I'd love to insert the smiley of the guy rolling on the floor laughing, but we obviously don't have the technology for that one. Vlad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
circlewood Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Well, since mr. admin is posting in the thread, the least you can do to compensate the tech heavy nations is by adding a "sell tech" option in-game. That way, we could get a small part of our money back and invest it in infra instead Well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idriveavw Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 tech still adds more to NS than infra! why would you want to sell it for infra if what you are really concerned with is NS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Y Wonka Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Well, since mr. admin is posting in the thread, the least you can do to compensate the tech heavy nations is by adding a "sell tech" option in-game. That way, we could get a small part of our money back and invest it in infra instead. Small amount? NO! I believe it should be sold back at at cost. Why should I have to take a loss? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Corrupt Teacher Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 The Global Radiation makes sense but the tech ratings don't make sense at all its too drastic of a drop...maybe dropping it from 20 to 15 might have been reasonable and achieved the same thing...now you've just got a bunch of angry people leaving a game that has of late stagnated in new members...This wasn't the smartest move ever. In my alliance some guys are talking about quiting as some have dropped as much as 11k NS... Personally I'm not to happy either...this also makes tech raiding useless and that was one thing that kept the game interesting for some people...all you can do now is log on and buy infra log off...boring...Yeah I'm skeptical about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Dracula Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Maybe a warning and then a gradual decrease so we could have caught up on infra to compensate. Vlad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Y Wonka Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 YES! A warning and gradual drop I would have been happy with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zangmonkey Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 (edited) If Admin's only rationale here is that reducing technology bonuses leads to lower bills (by the infra / NS ratio) then the correct course of action IMO is to alter the bill formula. This has not made tech raiding useless... on the contrary it has put far more targets into our range.... Likewise this has not made tech useless, only a silly expense. This change has taken a few things out of the game: A) Small-member-count elite alliances no longer have an edge. B) Low-Infra High-Tech warriors no longer work. Admin, the reduction in bills from the infra / NS ratio is miniscule compared to the reduction in NS (and thus military protection from smaller rogues). If you intend to keep the system as you have altered it, it's important to change the rules regarding declaration sizes. Let's also not ignore this simple fact: Tech-heavy nations are a product of a lack of late-game consumables. As it now stands, having 4999.99 infra and 300 tech is endgame... just buy wonders every 30 days until you run out. Edited November 2, 2007 by Matthew PK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Y Wonka Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Or please let me sell tech back at what it would cost me so I can reinvest it in infa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zangmonkey Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Where do I trade in my tanks and air force for long swords and cross bows? No, you're missing the point. You have tanks and airplanes, but you can never advance them anymore. Just get 300 tech and buy infra. Your are permanently done with advancing your miltary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 If Admin's only rationale here is that reducing technology bonuses leads to lower bills (by the infra / NS ratio) then the correct course of action IMO is to alter the bill formula. Removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diskord Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Small amount? NO! I believe it should be sold back at at cost. Why should I have to take a loss? Oh yeah... no possible abuses there... /me rolls eyes. Let me buy 50 tech for 1.5 million, and then sell the 50 tech in my nation for a $42 million dollar proffit... hrm... yeah that won't be abused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Apple1 Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 this burns my soul. i hate it. oh well. its not fair to nations who have been hording tech, as the value of tech has now decreased because it does so little for your strength and global radiation isnt helping me either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Y Wonka Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Oh I feel abused enough for one day thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Dracula Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Oh yeah... no possible abuses there... /me rolls eyes. Let me buy 50 tech for 1.5 million, and then sell the 50 tech in my nation for a $42 million dollar proffit... hrm... yeah that won't be abused. Good catch. Now that would add some fun to the game. Vlad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enrique Barrentos Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 (edited) ...maybe dropping it from 20 to 15 might have been reasonable and achieved the same thing... ^^ That. Although I think I understand what Admin is attempting to do, I'm of the opinion (thanks, adhambek) that the original mistake is the 300 technology limit on military capability. That's what needs to be changed. Tech should increase the effectiveness of your army with NO cap. Technologically advanced nations should have the ability to completely roll over nations not so technologically advanced if they're within the range of attack. So if I understand the system correctly, I have 5,860 tech and 9,250 infra for a NS of 79K and if I'm attacked by a nation at the bottom of my range with 1,040 tech and 6,200 infra, his military will perform as well as mine because we're both over 300 tech. My only advantage is in spy operations... Edited November 2, 2007 by Enrique Barrentos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zangmonkey Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Removed Forgive me for misunderstanding... as I can tell that is the most logical reason behind changing the system. There's no need for sarcasm, I've shown you nothing but curtesy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo mama Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 we need to up the aircraft limit and CM limit...look at the top nation..he looks pretty bored. lol what is the cap for soldiers and tanks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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