AllenKalashnikov Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Hey WOLF, I have an open slot if you wish to seek revenge. I'm totally friends with FOK, and totally agree with what they just did.http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_d...ation_ID=317694 Go ahead, show the Cyberverse you mean business. Nobama why must you attempt to get a responce from a Micro? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neneko Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 I don't know how to put this nicely, but you are coming across as a complete !@#$% right here. Why? People need to stop being so scared of wars in this game. being in a fight when you're small and there's no nukes involved for a round or even two isn't even very costly. There's no reason to have this irrational fear for war as if it was something that instantly crushed a nation. If nations have this irrational fear of war they should join a big neutral alliance. For the ones that doesn't want to do this, this is a game, war is a part of the game. You're going to risk getting into a war no matter what you do be it tech raiders or alliance wars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakes Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 (edited) Hey with an attitude like that you could be in One Vision. I think I missed that chance. There is a saying: Better late than never but sometimes it's so late that late will be never. To all the e-lawyers: Hi. We allow techraids. Once again: Deal with it, or don't. We have rules for techraids and punish those that don't abide them. When a FOK nation is attacked: We deal with it diplomatically. Never has one attack on FOK of just one member turned the lion into a meat grinder. When a FOK nation attacks someone else we expect the same courtesy we extend: diplomacy. If attacks of one FOK nations immediately turn into an alliance declaring that nation ZI and simultaneous attacks... the lion will be woken up. Again, no one should wake up a lion since it never turns out good for anyone other than the lion. Lions > You. In short: We allow techraids. We handle things diplomatically. No alliance can simply declare a FOK nation ZI and expect the lion to remain asleep. Edited May 13, 2009 by shakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 If a techraider attacks a nation, there is a war between those persons. When alliance mates from the victim declare on the raider, do the alliancemates of the raider then also not have the obligation to help their alliancemate? No, they don't. Unless your alliance likes to defend the right of people to launch unprovoked wars. If you launch an unprovoked assault upon a nation with allies, it seems obvious that that nation's allies are honour-bound to defend that nation if they can. Any retaliation those nations launch against the attacker could have been easily prevented by the attacker choosing not to launch an unprovoked assault. The short of it is, the war system is already heavily weighted towards those who launch unprovoked attacks. By bringing your alliancemates into it to defend your right to launch said attacks, you are just acting as a bully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakes Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 (edited) No, they don't. Unless your alliance likes to defend the right of people to launch unprovoked wars.If you launch an unprovoked assault upon a nation with allies, it seems obvious that that nation's allies are honour-bound to defend that nation if they can. Any retaliation those nations launch against the attacker could have been easily prevented by the attacker choosing not to launch an unprovoked assault. The short of it is, the war system is already heavily weighted towards those who launch unprovoked attacks. By bringing your alliancemates into it to defend your right to launch said attacks, you are just acting as a bully. We regard alliance buddies (other than the attacked) attacking a FOK nation as unprovoked. So we are honour bound to defend the FOK nation. Thank you for making that clear to everyone. Edited May 13, 2009 by shakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jared Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 We regard alliance buddies (other than the attacked) attacking a FOK nation as unprovoked. So we are honour bound to defend the FOK nation. Thank you for making that clear to everyone. So you would stand by and allow your fellow brothers to get crushed by another nation and do nothing I take it? That kind of defeats the purpose of being in a alliance does it not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolster Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 So you would stand by and allow your fellow brothers to get crushed by another nation and do nothing I take it?That kind of defeats the purpose of being in a alliance does it not He means he would defend a FOK techraider should someone declare on that nation. If the person being techraided fights back, FOK will not help. That's the risk of techraiding. I would like to make a larger, more in-depth reply but I have to go to work now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Srqt Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 He means he would defend a FOK techraider should someone declare on that nation. If the person being techraided fights back, FOK will not help. That's the risk of techraiding.I would like to make a larger, more in-depth reply but I have to go to work now. If a nation raids a nation that is in an alliance he should expect the other nations in that alliance to defend and FOK shouldn't do a damn thing about it in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Lord of Funk Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Hey WOLF, I have an open slot if you wish to seek revenge. I'm totally friends with FOK, and totally agree with what they just did.http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_d...ation_ID=317694 Go ahead, show the Cyberverse you mean business. So if WOLF takes up your offer do you expect your alliance to help you out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Stranger Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 So if WOLF takes up your offer do you expect your alliance to help you out? I don't mean to post here again, but I have to admit that would be hilarious if he were throwing out threats for his alliance and his alliance doesn't back him up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Bowie Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 (edited) About the raiding, we see raiding as a part of the game, and we think its both fun and gives new nations some chance to learn to fight.Its certainly not our goal to crush smaller alliances, or try to keep others out of the game. When people talk with alliances, 95% of the time we stop the raids, and even better we give them advice and or good techdeals. Agreed here, this game is built around diplomacy. The strongest bond in LSR is with the DT, and that relationship started with a tech raid, and they ended up our protectorate. Try private talks with FOK first, then if it does not work out, escalate it to a military response. JB Edited May 13, 2009 by Jim Bowie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaannndddyyy Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 If this WOLF is from a certain galaxy... You have my permission to crush them. They've failed enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jared Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 He means he would defend a FOK techraider should someone declare on that nation. If the person being techraided fights back, FOK will not help. That's the risk of techraiding.I would like to make a larger, more in-depth reply but I have to go to work now. Sorry I didn't clarify what I meant. Say nation A tech raids on nation B and nation B is a member of FOK, using his logic none of the members of FOK should be allowed to help nation B. And because the current war system is so one sided towards the aggressor, and since most nations that aren't in war keep a relatively low military, the chances of getting put into anarchy is very high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakes Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Sorry I didn't clarify what I meant.Say nation A tech raids on nation B and nation B is a member of FOK, using his logic none of the members of FOK should be allowed to help nation B. And because the current war system is so one sided towards the aggressor, and since most nations that aren't in war keep a relatively low military, the chances of getting put into anarchy is very high. If someone attacks a FOK nation we handle things diplomatically. If that doesn't go anywhere we wake up the lion. This alliance didn't do diplomacy. That's why your comparison is wrong. Regarding anarchy. Anarchy != losing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jared Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 If someone attacks a FOK nation we handle things diplomatically. If that doesn't go anywhere we wake up the lion. This alliance didn't do diplomacy. That's why your comparison is wrong. How is my comparison wrong. I just wanted to make sure you guys held yourselves to the same rules you expect everybody else to live by as well. And you answered my question I was raising, so that settles that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miley Cyrax Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Looks like WOLF needed some MDPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmmehhh Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Just to clarify, this isn't a techraid. Techraiding at FOK is forbidden since the war started. The FOK nation in question looks like a inactive nation, he is only 1500 nation strength while he is over 100 days old. The nation has been contacted and we asked him to peace out the war with the WOLF nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raptorix Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Nice avatar sir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miley Cyrax Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Nice avatar sir Who, me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adolf Von Sippycup Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Looks like WOLF needed some MDPs. I thought they had one with NPO. I seem to recall saying that if a KARMA member tech-raided them one more time they'd join the war on NPO's side. I wonder if they're writing their declaration right now... As for the OP, it seems a little strange to whine about being tech-raided and then sentencing someone to ZI before seeking a diplomatic solution... I forsee WOLF not staying very long. Or becoming the new NPO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cirrus Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 If someone attacks a FOK nation we handle things diplomatically. If that doesn't go anywhere we wake up the lion. This alliance didn't do diplomacy. This is a fair statement. If FOK goes to war with WOLF because WOLF are too dumb to talk things through first, then more power to FOK. That's totally fine, dandy and honorable. But on the other hand, if FOK has a general doctrine stating that other alliances are not permitted to protect their own nations from attack, which some of these statements seem to imply, then that is another story entirely. The whole point of alliances is to protect nations from attack. If FOK's standard here is that WOLF (or any alliance) doesn't have the right to launch alliance-sanctioned counter attacks against any nation that attacks that alliance's sovereignty, then FOK is in effect setting out a doctrine that alliance affiliation doesn't matter. I'm not sure the rest of the cyberverse should be OK with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adolf Von Sippycup Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 This is a fair statement. If FOK goes to war with WOLF because WOLF are too dumb to talk things through first, then more power to FOK. That's totally fine, dandy and honorable. But on the other hand, if FOK has a general doctrine stating that other alliances are not permitted to protect their own nations from attack, which some of these statements seem to imply, then that is another story entirely. The whole point of alliances is to protect nations from attack. If FOK's standard here is that WOLF (or any alliance) doesn't have the right to launch alliance-sanctioned counter attacks against any nation that attacks that alliance's sovereignty, then FOK is in effect setting out a doctrine that alliance affiliation doesn't matter. I'm not sure the rest of the cyberverse should be OK with that. WOLF is making threats towards a member of FOK. I believe that gives FOK a good enough reason to step in and defend the raider. Yeah, the raider made a mistake. WOLF also made a mistake by not seeking diplomatic solutions first. Instead they just jumped on him, which at the time, wasn't a bad thing... until they made the threat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firestorm Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Just to clarify, this isn't a techraid. Techraiding at FOK is forbidden since the war started. The FOK nation in question looks like a inactive nation, he is only 1500 nation strength while he is over 100 days old. The nation has been contacted and we asked him to peace out the war with the WOLF nation. Ahh.. There is always someone in the crowd who doesn't get the message. Good deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firestorm Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 WOLF is making threats towards a member of FOK. I believe that gives FOK a good enough reason to step in and defend the raider. Yeah, the raider made a mistake. WOLF also made a mistake by not seeking diplomatic solutions first. Instead they just jumped on him, which at the time, wasn't a bad thing... until they made the threat. The other side of this is that an alliance shouldn't need to seek diplomatic recourse to defend itself from a tech raider. They really should be able to jump the raider with everything they have and do with him what they please. I'm all for raiding, but I'm even more for the rights of alliances to destroy threats to their safety. The demand of diplomacy is nice, but it shouldn't be required. Small alliances really ought to be able to smash tech raiders, if they can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demosthenes Locke Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Aw, this is adorable. The baby WOLF is crying over a FOKing tech raid. It's just not fair! Get over it. For the longest time tech raids were an integral part of the game. Buck up and do some diplomacy instead of appealing to the boards to a bunch of people who couldn't care less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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