Dr. Dan Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Yeah I understand your reasoning, but we aren't even in a position to engage them. It's retarded, that's not defending an ally, that's just jumping in late and getting some free tech/land under the guise of a defense pact. It's pathetic and TOP will have this late cowardly DoW thrown back in their faces in a future war. I highly doubt we'll be gaining much tech/land overall. As you know, Echelon has a good # in peace mode atm. I'm quite certain that if nukes start to fly, I won't be gaining much land/tech. And again, as you don't seem to understand, we had a looong discussion on this. We don't move to the beat of yours or anyone else's drums, so get over it. Your brooding is unjustified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bones Malone Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Hai Paradox! May we be honorable opponents in this shindig, and I look forward to seeing more of you all on IRC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkerNinja Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 The Order of the Paradox are welcome to the fight, however I respectfully disagree with the casus belli presented in this declaration, vis-a-vis the argument presented by my comrade Leetopia II. In all honestly, I believe you could have merely sat-out the war and helped your fellow Oranges, as pursuant to other articles of the OUT, by providing post-war support.C'est la vie. This would have tied up our aidslots significantly and thus threatened our continuing tech imports. Think man! Besides, the OUT has a long history of inventing new ways for it's articles to be interpreted and activated. During the last war, a non-signatory got reamed for violating the terms of a treaty that they never signed. So by normal OUT standards this is pretty kosher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trouble Terrible Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Um, no? You have allies on both sides and you're blatantly choosing the side that'll save you the most infra. This comes back to haunt EVERYONE eventually. Joining the side that happens to be winning does not mean you are automatically doing it for just those reasons. But it IS interesting to see who likes to claim that it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Rahl Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Um, no? You have allies on both sides and you're blatantly choosing the side that'll save you the most infra. This comes back to haunt EVERYONE eventually. There's 200 of us, spread over all the alliances we are attacking. How does fighting save us infra? You must be using some strange definition of save that I am not familiar with. You're right about blatantly choosing a side though. We choose TOP. It's painfully obvious our allies have no regard for us, so we have to have regard for ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Conrad Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 I can see it now. "TOP, we are fighting you because you declared war on Echelon for no reason whatsoever. They weren't even at war. Wait...they declared war on your allies? Hmmm. Well, they didn't actually attack any of them. So therefore you guys are, um, cowards. Yeah!" You have made some interesting comments. Would you mind elaborating what you believe the negatives committed by both sides are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timberland Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 And to TOP: 50% of all your nations online for an update blitz? Scary as hell. We would have more but some Europeans didn't feel like waking up for the blitz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurney Halleck Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 TOP involves herself in a nuclear war to protect infra! Brilliant political move.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baden-Württemberg Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 TOP involves herself in a nuclear war to protect infra! Brilliant political move.... That's TOP how we know and love em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kencojenko Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Um, no? You have allies on both sides and you're blatantly choosing the side that'll save you the most infra. This comes back to haunt EVERYONE eventually. hum... maybe you would have prefered to receive peace terms from an alliance that smells an opportunity to steal your tech? TOP will get no gains from this war, it messes with our cycles, our tech deals and ruins our warchest whilst eating nukes. maybe if you had been more clear in your declaration of war, you would not have been facing us on the battlefield. But oh well. Some people are here to complain and not bother looking at the situation we are in. Let the trolls continue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadScotII Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Very sad to sees this. Hopefully Purple Love will shine through. Saying that, still you RR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJ Walsh Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Very sad to sees this. Hopefully Purple Love will shine through. Saying that, still you RR what about me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalaskan Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 (edited) Yeah I understand your reasoning, but we aren't even in a position to engage them. It's retarded, that's not defending an ally, that's just jumping in late and getting some free tech/land under the guise of a defense pact. It's pathetic and TOP will have this late cowardly DoW thrown back in their faces in a future war. Not our fault. Nor is the way things panned out. We are doing what we can to be honorable and help those closest to us. We will stand by our closest allies...those that do not spit in our face, and trust me...after this war we will evaluate who has acted in a way we do not want to be associated with. Edited April 27, 2009 by Chalaskan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandal Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 That's TOP how we know and love em Seconded o/ TOP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalaskan Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 We would have more but some Europeans didn't feel like waking up for the blitz. Some of us were here but had to wait for the stagger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallen Fool Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 I can honestly say I did not expect this. Good luck, etc. Mmmm. I love it. I approve of this image.NSO, for one. I know there are others.Are you advocating other alliances attack NSO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavii Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 (edited) Better late then never! Very glad to have you guys fighting with us TOP much love, much much love! Or in Cameron's words: "That's tight!" Edited April 27, 2009 by Xavii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalaskan Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Better late then never! Very glad to have you guys fighting with us TOPmuch love, much much love! Or in Cameron's words: "That's tight!" Didn't you hear it was good to be fashionably late? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinite Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 (edited) Anyone who is suggesting TOP is being opportunistic is crazy. I have my own problems with TOP speed, but the suggestion that they made this decision for stats or some such in simply nonsense. Anyone with any knowledge of events surrounding this knows that TOP worked harder than anyone to try and stop this war. They have allies on both sides, and they were forced to make a very ugly decision. There was no decision that wouldn't anger people. There is absolutely no announcement they could have made that wouldn't have gotten trolled to death. They made a very difficult decision, and I think they made the right one. I can understand people disagreeing with their decision, but if you suggest their motives were anything but honorable, then you simply show a complete ignorance of the events surrounding this war and TOP itself. Edited April 27, 2009 by Trinite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavii Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Yea, that would be a better choice of words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyNail Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Paradoxia Vult o/ our great allies in TOP )): mitchh )): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alterego Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Didnt realise we were hurting LoSS and Nemesis this much. Welcome to the war, you will never hear the end of it that Citadel chose us as a priority target. Perhaps another DoW (optional offensive) will piggyback on yours. Not unexpected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROMMELHSQ Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 There's nothing to enjoy about this day. I echo my Grand Chancellor words.... May the light of Johan guide the souls of our fallen enemies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandersPacheco Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Sander don't mess this up. I already did, Calderon Paradoxia Vult! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuka Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 You guys were along with FAN and GOONS the only TI alliance I used to respect. Now you're on the right side as well so not only do I respect you, but I you from the bottom of my heart. o/ TOP o/ TOP o/ TOP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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