Diomede Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Giving an ally notification of going to war would be nice, regardless of the situation. In any case, I wish you well, TOOL. Oh wait. disregard this, and as usual, TOOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaBuc Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 I don't see what's so complicated here. Two of our allies entered the war aggressively, one in defense of an ally. -Bama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canik Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 o/ TOOL I know TOOL did not make this decision lightly. I wish TOOL luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clownbag Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 We need to move back up to midnight GMT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaBuc Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Oh wait. disregard this, and as usual, TOOL. Hey, no problem man. Argent -Bama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaGneT Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Bama, our air forces hate us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 I laughed. Terrible DoW TOOL, I expected much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TailsK Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 I once had a lot of respect for TOOL, many of it's government and it's members. With this announcement, that respect is gone. This announcement shows all of Planet Bob that a MDoAP with TOOL is nothing more than an ODP which TOOL will ignore when their MDoAP partner make the decision to help another ally. Whilst attacking is optional, defence was meant to be mutual. A bunch of tools indeed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaBuc Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Bama, our air forces hate us. And both of our spy corps hate me. Here's to a good fight. -Bama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the riddler Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 (edited) I don't see what's so complicated here. Two of our allies entered the war aggressively, one in defense of an ally.-Bama Well you hold an MDoAP with us over at RoK. We were attacked. You chose not to honor the mutual defense part of the treaty, but instead came to the aid of TPF. Real honor in that. Edited April 24, 2009 by the riddler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikaru Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 (edited) I love when I don't get to be on for the DoW's posting. Oh well. o/ TOOL o/ TPF o/ TOOL-shakes going to war Edited April 24, 2009 by OVERLORD Ikaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gantanX Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Knock Them Out TOOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 (edited) And it's going to look all the worse when DT wipes the floor clean of them. ehh nevermind, we'll see Edited April 24, 2009 by Ricardo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamkeatley Posted April 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Well you hold an MDoAP with us over at RoK. We were attacked. You chose not to honor the mutual defense part of the treaty, but instead came to the aid of TPF. Real honor in that. Speak with you Gov, our stance, position and approach to all of this before ANYONE asked for our Aid was made very clear. TOOL were in as difficult a situation as anyone in this war in terms of conflicts in allies. And the choice we made early was we wouldnt get involved with any Alliances who entered Aggressively AKA not defending one of their own allies. MDoAP... Optional Aggression. And we stated early that it would not be an option we follow. I stand by our decision then as we and I do now. TDT's declaration was not just aggressive but some have stated malicious attempt to draw stacking treaties onto an ally. This goes beyond the pale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Blake Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 (edited) Well you hold an MDoAP with us over at RoK. We were attacked. You chose not to honor the mutual defense part of the treaty, but instead came to the aid of TPF. Real honor in that. This reasoning behind this has been discussed on multiple occasions with Rok gov in the preceding days. Obviously, we saw things differently, but it seemed like both sides were able to come away maintaining respect for each other, if each being a little disappointed in the other. edit: well, I guess Graham replied too. Edited April 24, 2009 by William Blake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentFury Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 o/ TOOL <3 Get em boys!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Shards Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 o/ TOOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fant0m Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 A sanctioned alliancd only attacking a 40 odd man alliance? No DoW for PC? :'( Go get 'em DT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaGneT Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 And both of our spy corps hate me. Here's to a good fight.-Bama Cheers. (I just lost 20 spies too. Nice warchest) A sanctioned alliancd only attacking a 40 odd man alliance? No DoW for PC? :'(Go get 'em DT. Frankly, Rak, I feel bad for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TailsK Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Speak with you Gov, our stance, position and approach to all of this before ANYONE asked for our Aid was made very clear. TOOL were in as difficult a situation as anyone in this war in terms of conflicts in allies. And the choice we made early was we wouldnt get involved with any Alliances who entered Aggressively AKA not defending one of their own allies.MDoAP... Optional Aggression. And we stated early that it would not be an option we follow. I stand by our decision then as we and I do now. TDT's declaration was not just aggressive but some have stated malicious attempt to draw stacking treaties onto an ally. This goes beyond the pale. Neutrality was an option. I didn't know dishonouring someone was a means to honour another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoyoabc Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 o7 TOOL o7 White Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galapagos Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 It'd be a mistake to think we are happy about the position we are left in with RoK. No matter what you may think now, we valued our treaty and relations with Ragnarok very highly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riddermark Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 g luck ull need it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernkastel Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Y'know, I was looking over some old screencaps. It's funny really. DefCon merged into TOOL to avoid becoming a meat shield or fodder for defending TPF. I hope and pray that all ex-DefCon members will come out of this without much of a scratch. I don't speak for Cowen or Zoom, but I will say I do feel betrayed as someone who once very much loved TOOL. Just think, I could have avoided this post if you declared neutrality and it was an option, looking at your treaty list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heft Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Neutrality was an option. I didn't know dishonouring someone was a means to honour another. TOOL's stance here makes perfect sense and is about the best way they could go about navigating the minefield of seemingly contradictory obligations that this war entails for them. They have handled this situation much better and more honorably than many other alliances in the past few days. The only reason they are getting more criticism is because they are on the "wrong" side. Let's face it, if they had "defended" RoK and not TPF, then they would be getting hailed right now, and the few voices criticizing would be ignored and drowned out. No, TOOL did what they believed was the best course of action for them, and they have given no (legitimate) reason to be disparaged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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