hobbies0310 Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 (edited) You mean the thought crossed your mind that FOK might actually cancel?Clearly you need more time in the reeducation spas, sir Well with all the alliances abandoning there allies in the face of war, would it be surprising? Edited February 8, 2009 by hobbies0310 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Lakes Union Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 You may very well have been, but according to my good friends nobody said anything to TGE about it until after the treaty was dropped. There was a convo between Fred and TBB before a certain incident, after a certain incident, people got mad and then MDoAP was canceled. No one informed TGE that the treaty was being canceled until the thread was posted announcing the fact, then the Chancellor made contact with TPF Gov't.But the point is, notification wasn't given prior to the cancellation in question, nor were attempts made to avoid the cancellation in the first place. I know TGE fairly well after being a member there for a year, and I know that they would have been glad to reconcile, move on and rebuild that long lost friendship had TPF approached TGE telling them how they felt about their friendship. Just because you keep repeating something you've heard doesn't make it true... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
droopyland Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 This is the second time TPF has cancelled on an alliance and had some friends cancel too, only to be thwarted by one powerful enough ally not cancelling. The poor old phoenix hungers, but it's not quite what it used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groucho Marx Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Aside from the fact that SNOW has a NAP between all signatories so the breaking of the treaty would immediately expel a signatory, yes, SNOW means absolutely nothing.Also, from the SNOW treaty in case you need it to be spelled out... That quotation shows that TPF hasn't been keeping it's end of the bargain on that clause by constantly filling any announcement related to TGE with comments like Hope wapa gets better treatment as an ally, although I am not sure on this one... which is clearly a form of trolling and uncivil behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiphosis Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 You gave me a scare for a second there FOK. Good to see you sticking by your allies. Ditto. My whole world view nearly shattered in one big gulp of WTF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicninja Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 This is the second time TPF has cancelled on an alliance and had some friends cancel too, only to be thwarted by one powerful enough ally not cancelling. The poor old phoenix hungers, but it's not quite what it used to be. TPF wouldn't be stopped by FOK if that's what they wanted to do. I don't remember TPF ever talking to NADC.............I doubt the two are connected. I think everyone grasping at straws. It's great people have taken their eye off the ball though. Slight of hand. Bravo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poobah Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Once again.lol NAPs. Yes, non-defensive color treaties never work out. I mean, OUT has been horrible and clearly does not mean anything. Oh, wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta1212 Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 TPF wouldn't be stopped by FOK if that's what they wanted to do. I don't remember TPF ever talking to NADC.............I doubt the two are connected. I think everyone grasping at straws. It's great people have taken their eye off the ball though.Slight of hand. Bravo. I think we might have different definitions of the word stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
droopyland Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 TPF wouldn't be stopped by FOK if that's what they wanted to do. I don't remember TPF ever talking to NADC.............I doubt the two are connected. I think everyone grasping at straws. It's great people have taken their eye off the ball though.Slight of hand. Bravo. That many dots can only be accompanied by a stupid comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desperado Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 That quotation shows that TPF hasn't been keeping it's end of the bargain on that clause by constantly filling any announcement related to TGE with comments like which is clearly a form of trolling and uncivil behavior. I was expressing my feelings about the treatment that was recieved. Treaties don't just end for no reason. Also, please stop with the speculating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Mao Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 You mean the thought crossed your mind that FOK might actually cancel?Clearly you need more time in the reeducation spas, sir It crosssed my mind for a fraction of second. Regardless, FOK isn't the only one who won't ditch TGE. We will not abandon our German friends in a pinch either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earogema Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Yes, non-defensive color treaties never work out. I mean, OUT has been horrible and clearly does not mean anything.Oh, wait... OUT has an optional defensive clause AND the Grand Lodge of Free Masons was actually attacked by OUT, yet not expelled. Also let's face it. Orange politics are A LOT stronger than white politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovyet Gelibolu Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 OUT has an optional defensive clause AND the Grand Lodge of Free Masons was actually attacked by OUT, yet not expelled. Also let's face it. Orange politics are A LOT stronger than white politics. Thank you for stroking Orange egos. We like it when you do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaone Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 OUT has an optional defensive clause AND the Grand Lodge of Free Masons was actually attacked by OUT, yet not expelled. Also let's face it. Orange politics are A LOT stronger than white politics. GLOF wasn't part of OUT back then, which was a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovyet Gelibolu Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 It crosssed my mind for a fraction of second. Regardless, FOK isn't the only one who won't ditch TGE. We will not abandon our German friends in a pinch either. Hey, I know! We should make a thread about it! That way half the trolling will take place over there, and we can share the burden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovyet Gelibolu Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 GLOF wasn't part of OUT back then, which was a shame. This is true. They were admitted to OUT following that war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earogema Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 (edited) GLOF wasn't part of OUT back then, which was a shame. Really? I recall in the announcement that it was a shame that GLOF had to be attacked because it was in OUT. Anyway, you're probably right. EDIT: This is true. They were admitted to OUT following that war. That confirms it. Edited February 8, 2009 by MegaAros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slayer99 Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 This is the second time TPF has cancelled on an alliance and had some friends cancel too, only to be thwarted by one powerful enough ally not cancelling. The poor old phoenix hungers, but it's not quite what it used to be. We're not treatied to NADC, we didn't talk to NADC about dropping, we didn't request that anyone else drop. We are on neutral terms with TGE...which is a far cry from hostile terms. Additionally, if we were working on getting treaties canceled so we could roll TGE, we'd work to get them all canceled at once. FOK government was aware that we were displeased with TGE before they left tC, but we did not request that they drop their treaty. At that time we were still attempting to work things out with TGE. As TGE is a white alliance, it serves us no purpose to attack them. TGE will rise or fall all on their own or they'll get FOK's assistance in resolving their issues (which would be the smart thing to do). Everyone: It's safe to take off your tinfoil now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicninja Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 I think we might have different definitions of the word stop. I doubt it. If you are implying that if TPF really wanted to hit TGE that them having a treaty with FOK would stop them you are sorely mistaken. I think that would actually make it more fun for them. I'm pretty sure they would relish a good fight. That many dots can only be accompanied by a stupid comment. What? Care to elaborate or at least add some substance? Your post has only one dot and I can safely say it blew mine away in the stupidity department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiderJerusalem Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Well with all the alliances abandoning there allies in the face of war, would it be surprising? In FOKs case, yes... They have always been, and I dare say, always will be, honourable and great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobbies0310 Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 (edited) *Hobbies0310 comes out of the tinfoil Edited February 8, 2009 by hobbies0310 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posta0 Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Really? I recall in the announcement that it was a shame that GLOF had to be attacked because it was in OUT. It was a shame they had to be attacked because they were Orange. Orange alliances strongly believe that an Orange nation should never fight another orange nation. That is why a lot of orange alliances dont allow tech raiding on orange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earogema Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 I doubt it. If you are implying that if TPF really wanted to hit TGE that them having a treaty with FOK would stop them you are sorely mistaken. I think that would actually make it more fun for them. I'm pretty sure they would relish a good fight.What? Care to elaborate or at least add some substance? Your post has only one dot and I can safely say it blew mine away in the stupidity department. If that were true, then why have they never fought a fair war, with the exception of the Unjust War? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovyet Gelibolu Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Really? I recall in the announcement that it was a shame that GLOF had to be attacked because it was in OUT. Anyway, you're probably right. EDIT: That confirms it. GLOF's wiki is also a good source of information on this subject [/derail] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slayer99 Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 I doubt it. If you are implying that if TPF really wanted to hit TGE that them having a treaty with FOK would stop them you are sorely mistaken. I think that would actually make it more fun for them. I'm pretty sure they would relish a good fight. I think the source of the speculation is that IF TPF were to hit TGE, it would kick off a Great War...and in the big scheme of things...TGE didn't piss us off to the point of hostility to make it worthwhile for us to go all-in. Keep trying rumormongers...you'll find a better target next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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