watchman Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 (edited) You didn't keep in contact with your ally very well. IIRC Shuru was removed from the alliance when she wouldn't give up the seat of empress back to KFred when he came back from his break. Wrong. IN all actuality, all these things are right. I just found out today that Rommelgrad returned to TGE last week, which all proves how we had drifted apart. Maybe that was NADC's fault. I don't know. However the cancellation is legit for that very reason. I think your just not up to speed with all things TPF...maybe you should have left it to Slayer to answer such questions seeing as he has replied now don't you think? This is true. mhawk knows nothing of TPF OMG. TPF is none of my business, but I about died when I read that. Edited February 8, 2009 by watchman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhawk Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 I think your just not up to speed with all things TPF...maybe you should have left it to Slayer to answer such questions seeing as he has replied now don't you think? I'm guessing you were in Atlantis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desperado Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 (edited) First off, what is that supposed to mean? Am I not getting some subtle jab or is this a flamebait? Mistaken? No no no, far from it and I guess I'm only obscuring the image that TPF wants of TGE by arguing that there is no way for them to know TGE's internal situation as well as they claim. I'm not sure why but even though I'm not in TGE anymore, I don't like it when people falsely assume they know everything about them in an attempt to smear their name so I apologize for coming off as an asshat here, but it is what it is. I see what I see and I have heard what I've been told from friends on both sides and I'm showing my support for TGE just like FOK has, only on a more personal level. I like TPF, but I don't agree with their behavior as of late and I hope they can get past whatever issues they have with TGE in the near future and press forward to rebuild that friendship. As we have seen already multiple times in this thread your "knowledge" of the situations at hand is severely lacking. I hope this is a nice boost to your credibility. Edited February 8, 2009 by Desperado Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steodonn Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Secondly, why is it so strange for an alliance to make a stance for their allies in hard times? Why is it strange to show support to your allies in times of peace, instead of a DoS during wartime? Because if noting was going on then this tread would not have been needed and FOK could of just given support in private channels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Affluenza Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 (edited) I'm guessing you were in Atlantis? Nope...I am but a spectator with a voice. Edited February 8, 2009 by Affluenza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groucho Marx Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 As we have seen already multiple times in this thread your "knowledge" of the situations at hand is severely lacking. I hope this is a nice boost to your credibility. Just because you keep repeating yourself doesn't make it true... Oh wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desperado Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Just because you keep repeating yourself doesn't make it true... Oh wait. Oh wait, the same rumors that have magically become facts to you are now true...and you keep repeating what you have said and just spin it in a circle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Dracula Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Marx, TGE appreciates your show of support. But I think its time to let it go. FOK you guys are true friends and allies, once again thank you for all you've done for us. TPF we have been through a lot with you guys, fought by you and you've helped us over some rough patches. For that we thank you. And we will strive to one day get back to the level of friendship that we once had with you. I would like to thank everyone else that has shown support for FOK, you honor yourself by being honoring them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groucho Marx Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 (edited) Oh wait, the same rumors that have magically become facts to you are now true...and you keep repeating what you have said and just spin it in a circle. Rumors? Well What exactly have I said that is a rumor? The bit about the treaty cancellation is true, the bit about you specifically flamebaiting TGE in violation of the SNOW civility clause is true, and I'm probably the only one here who's backed up what I have said with any evidence what so ever. So what exactly have I said that is a rumor? This is getting repetitive, but it doesn't make it any less true. Whether or not you're willing to accept the facts is your business, but I've had enough of repeating myself for the benefit of others with a short comprehensive span and misconstrued information. If you have anything else to say you can PM it to me, other than that I've made my points, you've largely been unable to counter them, and the cycle repeats itself so I'm stopping to preserve my sanity. We can debate the facts all night but it's obvious the facts don't matter to you, only your side of the story. Have a nice day gentlemen. Edit: Hey there Vlad, didn't see you there. Edited February 8, 2009 by Emperor Marx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Srqt Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Oh wait, the same rumors that have magically become facts to you are now true...and you keep repeating what you have said and just spin it in a circle. Here is the thing, the only thing you have to prove that he is wrong is your word (and the word of allies who would never contradict you) anyone worth their salt in this game knows never to take anything at face value from anyone so you haven't proven him wrong or discredited him. I don't know which of you is telling the truth and I would venture a guess that the actual truth lies somewhere in between your two stories but just know that you without solid proof you don't have the ability to really damage anyones credibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archon Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 lets see...looking at GLOFs DoW http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?s...c=31235&hl= they declared on TORN because "We do so Citing Article V - Mutual Defense of the AZTEC treaty for our brothers in NV and PUKE:" Funny thing is that TORN never declared on NV or PUKE, therefor your statement of GLOF being treaty bound to defend its ally is complete BS. I would appreciate it if you did not try to rewrite history to suit your arguments, and instead use actual facts. That reminds me how the NPO declared on MK for attacking TORN, which we didn't do On a more on topic nature, the only reason I waded through these 23 pages was to congratulate FOK on their style. You made your point in a strong way, and I rather like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Boris Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 That reminds me how the NPO declared on MK for attacking TORN, which we didn't do Actually, they attacked you for attacking our protectorate, which put us at a de facto state of war with you, and typically grounds for MADP activation since we were already busy with GR. Now, that said, though, I'm glad we've all been able to move on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamerlane Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 (edited) Actually, they attacked you for attacking our protectorate, which put us at a de facto state of war with you, and typically grounds for MADP activation since we were already busy with GR.Now, that said, though, I'm glad we've all been able to move on actually the defacto state of war would have been made when you started getting busy with GR and attacking your protectorate was more or less irrelevant. *fix'd* Edited February 8, 2009 by tamerlane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boscher Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 MK - NPO conflict : check Anyone want to start talking about GW 2, we are missing that one in here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcalkin Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 FOK, love y'all, you know we got your backs one-thousand times over. These Umbrellas don't stop protecting from the sunlight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youwish959 Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 I'm not gonna lie, this reminds me of The White Delegation situation oh so long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Un4Gvn1 Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 First off, what is that supposed to mean? Am I not getting some subtle jab or is this a flamebait? Mistaken? No no no, far from it and I guess I'm only obscuring the image that TPF wants of TGE by arguing that there is no way for them to know TGE's internal situation as well as they claim. I'm not sure why but even though I'm not in TGE anymore, I don't like it when people falsely assume they know everything about them in an attempt to smear their name so I apologize for coming off as an asshat here, but it is what it is. I see what I see and I have heard what I've been told from friends on both sides and I'm showing my support for TGE just like FOK has, only on a more personal level. I like TPF, but I don't agree with their behavior as of late and I hope they can get past whatever issues they have with TGE in the near future and press forward to rebuild that friendship. Mark the words and perhaps we can have a get acquainted chat on IRC sometime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trouble Terrible Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 And people wonder why FOK! is such a prized ally... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovyet Gelibolu Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Here is the thing, the only thing you have to prove that he is wrong is your word (and the word of allies who would never contradict you) anyone worth their salt in this game knows never to take anything at face value from anyone so you haven't proven him wrong or discredited him. I don't know which of you is telling the truth and I would venture a guess that the actual truth lies somewhere in between your two stories but just know that you without solid proof you don't have the ability to really damage anyones credibility. The Academy has chosen to honor you, KingSrqt, with the Betsy, having won the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlgarWolf Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 o/ to FOK o/ to TGE o/ to planet Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchh Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 FOK, love y'all, you know we got your backs one-thousand times over.These Umbrellas don't stop protecting from the sunlight. This. o/ FOK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 warning I love post:I love how this thread covered almost all of CN history and every possible CN topic Think that's enough for the lifespan of one single thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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