Sargun II Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 I definitely remember that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Terra Di Agea Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 [quote name='Centurius' date='08 June 2010 - 09:04 AM' timestamp='1276013075' post='2328886'] I remember that and believe a GM can confirm it. [/quote] Yes, that was ruled on in the past, and remains a rule now. SDIs only effect the owner's nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 (edited) Unfortunately, this is accurate and probably best it remains that way. Good RP cover with the Generalissimo time principle there Sargun, lol. Edited June 8, 2010 by Maelstrom Vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 The Generalissimo time principle also plays a role in the wiki. :3 specifically the tahoan war which will be done soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoot Zoot Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 bad times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 [quote name='Il Terra Di Agea' date='08 June 2010 - 09:13 AM' timestamp='1276013617' post='2328895'] Yes, that was ruled on in the past, and remains a rule now. SDIs only effect the owner's nation. [/quote] With one exception...the SDI can block ANY missile going over ANY part of your territory--whether or not you are the target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoot Zoot Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 I think this needs to be looked at then. It happens IRL, EG the american shield in Eastern Europe. Perhaps for the nation being "protected" its only a 30% chance of stopping the nuclear device instead of 60%. Just a suggestion of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Nova Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 [quote name='Zoot Zoot' date='08 June 2010 - 03:28 PM' timestamp='1276025316' post='2329058'] I think this needs to be looked at then. It happens IRL, EG the american shield in Eastern Europe. Perhaps for the nation being "protected" its only a 30% chance of stopping the nuclear device instead of 60%. Just a suggestion of course. [/quote] No. Get a SDI in game and you can protect your nation. @Subtle: That makes sense because it is going over your nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoot Zoot Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 I love the discussion Voodoo puts forward, a simple no. what does the rest of the community feel?, keep some sense of realism, no matter how small inexchange for lower odds, or outright wait a year maybe more until you have the wonder? There should at least be a goddamn discussion on it, with other possibilities put forward =/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 There was a discussion, twice. And in the end it came down to "no shielding other countries" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justinian the Mighty Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 I think it would be work talking about in cases where one country has vital military assets or other investments in an ally's country as long as they both rped developing the shield. what I mean by vital assets could include, but are not limited to: Nuclear missile silos, Navy bases, multiple army or air force bases, weapons manufacturing companies, vital ports, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yawoo Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 If you want a shield, pay for it in game. Same as a navy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triyun Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 [quote name='Centurius' date='08 June 2010 - 05:04 PM' timestamp='1276013075' post='2328886'] I remember that and believe a GM can confirm it. [/quote] Yeah I remember it was ruled my SDI couldn't protect you from Lavo's nukes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Minister Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 When Sargun launched the first EMP weapon during the Second East African War, SOM declared that his SDI was blanketing the entire region ie: Nukes aimed at me, or Sargun. I think Subtle's statement makes the most sense... as for protecting others not in your immediate vicinity... i'd say no dice. How's that Zoot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoot Zoot Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 well now theres a semi discussion going. ok, well immediate vicinity would be the region yes? and for example the NATO group is spread across two continants with three to four distinct regions within the immediate vicinity of eachother. Europe, the arctic, east coast of america and central america, all you need are four-6 people with SDI's to keep those regions coverged for the immediate vicinity issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Minister Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 [quote name='Zoot Zoot' date='08 June 2010 - 04:23 PM' timestamp='1276028610' post='2329113'] well now theres a semi discussion going. ok, well immediate vicinity would be the region yes? and for example the NATO group is spread across two continants with three to four distinct regions within the immediate vicinity of eachother. Europe, the arctic, east coast of america and central america, all you need are four-6 people with SDI's to keep those regions coverged for the immediate vicinity issue. [/quote] When i mean vicinity, i mean like, your direct freaking neighbours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Nova Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 (edited) Only if it goes over their nation. Considering the region, your missiles would have had to go over SOM's land thus allowing him to use his SDI. It was an appropriate move that followed the rules. If, for example, it came from somewhere not over his land then he could not protect your nation with his SDI. Edited June 8, 2010 by Voodoo Nova Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 [quote name='Voodoo Nova' date='08 June 2010 - 04:46 PM' timestamp='1276029952' post='2329134'] Only if it goes over their nation. Considering the region, your missiles would have had to go over SOM's land thus allowing him to use his SDI. It was an appropriate move that followed the rules. If, for example, it came from somewhere not over his land then he could not protect your nation with his SDI. [/quote] Aye, very much this. EM, this is also assuming that, of course (for this example, I'd want to block it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Minister Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 Exactly, glad to see we're all on the same side on this *glares at SOM*, although it was my understanding this was the current standard anyways... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael McBride Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 SDI's protect the space over your land, and yours alone. This has been discussed three different times since I've been here. If a nuke is passing over your land, you can have your SDI attempt to stop it. If it's not flying directly over your borders, then you can't do anything about it. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoot Zoot Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 And territorial waters, do those count? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 No, just your land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iKrolm Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 [quote name='Sargun' date='08 June 2010 - 03:41 PM' timestamp='1276036868' post='2329242'] No, just your land. [/quote] There was discussion of them covering navies, was a ruling ever made on that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoot Zoot Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 hang on, i didnt say navies, i said territorial seas. ships can have ICM defences anyway built in, i was referring to the sovreign waters of a nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 [quote name='Zoot Zoot' date='08 June 2010 - 09:36 PM' timestamp='1276025788' post='2329066'] I love the discussion Voodoo puts forward, a simple no. [b]what does the rest of the community feel?[/b], keep some sense of realism, no matter how small inexchange for lower odds, or outright wait a year maybe more until you have the wonder? There should at least be a goddamn discussion on it, with other possibilities put forward =/ [/quote] No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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