The Protectorate Reaches Two Million NS

[Alonso Quixano]

 

Alliance Created: 4/12/2016 6:57:36 PM

 

 

 

In less than a year, and starting with only myself, the protectorate has reached two million nation strength. In a world were alliances are merging left and right, where the top 40 alliances are littered with alliances that have been there for years, we see this as a great accomplishment in this day, and age. We just wanted to let the world know that there is still room for growth, room for something new to flourish. So please, if you wish to get to know us better, buy tech, sell tech, or just banter on our forums, you can find us at, http://s15.zetaboards.com/ObeyThePosse/index/ , please stop by. Hopefully you'll hear from us before our first year is out with another announcement of reaching three million nation strength. 

 

 

 

Thank you,

 

 

The members of the Protectorate of Sovereign Socialist Ententes

[Lord Hitchcock]

Awesome milestone my friend, well done!

[Maegor]

Congrats, Alonso and Co.

 

o/POSSE

[Blackatron]

This would be more impressive if you didn't get over the line by accepting a nation that is at war.

[Alonso Quixano]

16 minutes ago, Blackatron said:

This would be more impressive if you didn't get over the line by accepting a nation that is at war.

 

I don't see a problem with accepting a nation that conducted a tech raid, and was then attack on none after leaving their alliance. I see no qualms with the wars continuing until they end. 

[Canik]

46 minutes ago, Alonso Quixano said:

 

I don't see a problem with accepting a nation that conducted a tech raid, and was then attack on none after leaving their alliance. I see no qualms with the wars continuing until they end. 

I don't see a problem with that either. It is a little funny though since you have been sympathetic and protective of unaligned/micros recently. What about the innocence of these poor nations he's raiding?

2 mil in under 1 year is impressive though. Congrats!

[Alonso Quixano]

I don't think you'll ever find me disagreeing that raiding is wrong, especially on those that are raided. That's why you join an alliance, for protection. What we will disagree on is how we go about protecting, or policing our own alliance members that have raided. 

 

 

Thank you though, it's no easy task to bring an alliance to two million NS in these conditions of this aging world, no matter the length of time. 

Edited December 31, 2016 by Alonso Quixano

[YOLO SWAG]

Up the Protectorate!

[Canik]

52 minutes ago, Alonso Quixano said:

I don't think you'll ever find me disagreeing that raiding is wrong, especially on those that are raided. That's why you join an alliance, for protection. What we will disagree on is how we go about protecting, or policing our own alliance members that have raided. 

I'm a little confused. Which nation is it we're talking about because I only see offensive wars on POSSE's war screen?

 

15 minutes ago, YOLO SWAG said:

Up the Protectorate!

Are you trying to trigger me, YOLO?

Or did you not know this existed:

Edited December 31, 2016 by Canik

[Alonso Quixano]

2 minutes ago, Canik said:

I'm a little confused. Which nation is it we're talking about because I only see offensive wars on POSSE's war screen?

 

 

 

Blackatron was referring to a nation we accepted that had raided while on Knights of Ni, and was attacked while on none by the alliance he raided. Which put us above 2 mill NS. 

[Canik]

18 minutes ago, Alonso Quixano said:

 

 

Blackatron was referring to a nation we accepted that had raided while on Knights of Ni, and was attacked while on none by the alliance he raided. Which put us above 2 mill NS. 

Ah alright. Got mixed up and thought it was Asero you accepted. My mistake. 

[AL Bundy]

You accepted a nation attacking 3 of my alliance members. He will be nuked for the foreseeable future.

 

But good to here he helped your stats.

 

Al Bundy

[The Zigur]

A tip from someone experienced in warfare... NS doesn't mean that much. I trim as much fat from the Imperium as possible to keep it nice and lean.  

 

Congrats though, and best wishes going forward.

[Razgriz24]

4 hours ago, Alonso Quixano said:

 

I don't see a problem with accepting a nation that conducted a tech raid, and was then attack on none after leaving their alliance. I see no qualms with the wars continuing until they end. 

 

It actually appears that Stoli attacked 3 Alpha Wolves, twice while on an AA and then one just after leaving.

 

2million is an impressive goal to reach and legit benchmark everyone looks forward to but those wars look more like rogue activity.

Edited December 31, 2016 by Razgriz24

[Alonso Quixano]

33 minutes ago, AL Bundy said:

You accepted a nation attacking 3 of my alliance members. He will be nuked for the foreseeable future.

 

But good to here he helped your stats.

 

Al Bundy

 

As I said before, I don't mind the current wars coming to an end, are you expecting to continue the wars after they expire? If so please communicate to me on the forums or in private message. 

[AL Bundy]

13 minutes ago, Alonso Quixano said:

 

As I said before, I don't mind the current wars coming to an end, are you expecting to continue the wars after they expire? If so please communicate to me on the forums or in private message. 

A rogue that attacks 3 of my wolves while in an alliance, then runs to another.  He should be nuked to 0.

 

Al

[Alonso Quixano]

11 minutes ago, AL Bundy said:

A rogue that attacks 3 of my wolves while in an alliance, then runs to another.  He should be nuked to 0.

 

Al

 

We don't believe he should be nuked to 0. I've sent you a PM about us paying reps to those originally affected from the raids. As we will consider any new declaration against stoli, as against our alliance. Hopefully we can resolve this peacefully, with reps paid to your originally affected. 

[Canik]

Okay so it's this nation apparently: http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=558953

Next time it would be nice if someone said the name or posted a link to avoid the unnecessary confusing or going through every nation individually to find out.

Anyway, yeah. From the looks of it dude went full retard on Alpha Wolves and by the traditional unwritten but well-known international laws of Bob - Alpha Wolves gets to beat the crap out of him if they want. To teach him a lesson, deter future rogues, etc.

[The Zigur]

2 minutes ago, Alonso Quixano said:

 

We don't believe he should be nuked to 0. I've sent you a PM about us paying reps to those originally affected from the raids. As we will consider any new declaration against stoli, as against our alliance. Hopefully we can resolve this peacefully, with reps paid to your originally affected. 

 

It's not very wise to make ultimatums like this. What can end up happening is either you end up retracting (which is weak), or a full blown war erupts over a rogue. At that point your allies end up wondering whether it is worth fighting... because of a rogue.

Edited December 31, 2016 by Immortan Junka

[AL Bundy]

2 minutes ago, Canik said:

Okay so it's this nation apparently: http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=558953

Next time it would be nice if someone said the name or posted a link to avoid the unnecessary confusing or going through every nation individually to find out.

Anyway, yeah. From the looks of it dude went full retard on Alpha Wolves and by the traditional unwritten but well-known international laws of Bob - Alpha Wolves gets to beat the crap out of him if they want. To teach him a lesson, deter future rogues, etc.

Amen

[Alonso Quixano]

7 minutes ago, Canik said:

Okay so it's this nation apparently: http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=558953

Next time it would be nice if someone said the name or posted a link to avoid the unnecessary confusing or going through every nation individually to find out.

Anyway, yeah. From the looks of it dude went full retard on Alpha Wolves and by the traditional unwritten but well-known international laws of Bob - Alpha Wolves gets to beat the crap out of him if they want. To teach him a lesson, deter future rogues, etc.

 

I'm sure you've recognized so far, we don't reflect traditional thinking of unwritten laws of bob. Everyone is able to view the laws of the world in their own light, we view them in our own light, and we will not be told how we should view the world.

[Alonso Quixano]

8 minutes ago, Immortan Junka said:

 

It's not very wise to make ultimatums like this. What can end up happening is either you end up retracting (which is weak), or a full blown war erupts over a rogue. At that point your allies end up wondering whether it is worth fighting... because of a rogue.

 

There will be no retraction of our "ultimatum". There is no rogue in our opinion. So you can continue to use that moniker for your own benefit, but it means nothing ti us.  

[AL Bundy]

1 minute ago, Alonso Quixano said:

 

There will be no retraction of our "ultimatum". There is no rogue in our opinion. So you can continue to use that moniker for your own benefit, but it means nothing ti us.  

I like how you just choose to say he is not a rogue, a nation that just hit 3 of my nations while in an alliance then goes and hides in the first alliance he could.

 

I chose to believe he is a rogue. Ill look at your message and consider your offer in the morning.

 

Al

[The Zigur]

1 minute ago, Alonso Quixano said:

 

There will be no retraction of our "ultimatum". There is no rogue in our opinion. So you can continue to use that moniker for your own benefit, but it means nothing ti us.  

 

There is no benefit for me, as I am not allied to either party. However there is a reason that rogues are shunned, which I will take the time to explain.

 

Rogues have, since ancient times, been a primary source of instability for our world. Indeed in the old days being a rogue was often a sentence to PZI. During peacetime, alliances need the opportunity to recuperate and rebuild... rogue actions interfere with this process of rebuilding and even alliances politically opposed to one another often cooperate against the threats rogues represent.

 

There is nothing more annoying for an alliance that has recently ended a major conflict to deal with than a random rogue punking their membership. While you may not see it as being a big deal, those who regularly engage in coalition warfare see otherwise. Normalizing a situation where rogues can lash out just for fun, only to run off to safety sets a dangerous precedent that most civilized alliances will be reluctant to see occur.

 

I understand your optimism and desire to do new things, however Methrage had the same attitude and look where he is today. You should really be understanding towards other alliances who have to deal with these types of problems.

 

Even if you disagree with this philosophy, not cooperating on dealing with rogues means that other alliances will refuse to cooperate with PoSSE when it is your time to deal with rogues. It's simply not a wise approach to politics on behalf of the membership you are supposed to represent.

[Alonso Quixano]

15 minutes ago, Immortan Junka said:

 

There is no benefit for me, as I am not allied to either party. However there is a reason that rogues are shunned, which I will take the time to explain.

 

Rogues have, since ancient times, been a primary source of instability for our world. Indeed in the old days being a rogue was often a sentence to PZI. During peacetime, alliances need the opportunity to recuperate and rebuild... rogue actions interfere with this process of rebuilding and even alliances politically opposed to one another often cooperate against the threats rogues represent.

 

There is nothing more annoying for an alliance that has recently ended a major conflict to deal with than a random rogue punking their membership. While you may not see it as being a big deal, those who regularly engage in coalition warfare see otherwise. Normalizing a situation where rogues can lash out just for fun, only to run off to safety sets a dangerous precedent that most civilized alliances will be reluctant to see occur.

 

I understand your optimism and desire to do new things, however Methrage had the same attitude and look where he is today. You should really be understanding towards other alliances who have to deal with these types of problems.

 

Even if you disagree with this philosophy, not cooperating on dealing with rogues means that other alliances will refuse to cooperate with PoSSE when it is your time to deal with rogues. It's simply not a wise approach to politics on behalf of the membership you are supposed to represent.

 

These are not the old days where nations are sentenced to PZI. I'm not admonishing the raider as a big deal; we are trying to normalize the situation with reparations to their originally affected nations. You can continue to use the word civilized, but to us you are not using the world correctly.

 

We are understanding to other alliances, and we offered reps to their originally affected nations. The civilized response, as you so continue to use, would be to accept the repayment to their nations. Your use of of civilized is uncivilized, as you advise the use of force when you are not meet with the response you want, or expect to see. 

 

I disagree with your use of force, but agree with the fact the there needs to be a civilized response. We are dealing with the raider, not the rogue, in paying of reparations. If alpha wolves don't want to accept my offer of reps to their originally affected nations, that's their right, but it is our right to consider an attack against our alliance affiliation as an attack against our alliance affiliation. 

 

You can spin the act as civil or not, but we think your definition of civil is wrong. We have offered alpha wolves reparations to their original nations. Is that not civil enough?