Laserwolf

Certainly not something done lightly. Good luck in the future VE.

Outstanding Pic! Grats to our brothers in TLR on peace and grats to all parties involved.

Congrats on peace!

[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1344020020' post='3018186'] You would be correct if that was what I said. What you are saying is take takes true strength of character to endure slavery and I disagree, since in viceroyship all you need to do is obey your masters and all that it requires is a passive behavior. True strength of character is do anything to not become a slave since there was as a third way, keep fighting. Now you and GATO members can give me any amount of poor excuses about how I never was in this situation and crap like that, but the fact remains: Unlike others alliances when facing terrible odds, they decided that their infra was more important than their freedom and accepted ridiculous surrender terms in order to save any infra they had left. Now some of you would be asking why bring such old facts to the discussion and I tell you: The best way to discover how someone or something will behave in future is look at the past and both GATO and ODN has a long history of taking poor and coward decisions to save their own skin when facing losing wars. [/quote] *sigh* To say GATO wanted to hug our infra is absurd seeing as 95% of us had no infra to hug at the time. To say it was a coward decision to take "ridiculous surrender terms" is a bit of a stretch as the coward action, in my opinion, would have been to disband, tuck-tail and run for the hills. While yes, 1-2 people mentioned GATO disbanding or feeling that was the only way to survive 1V, the prospect of disbandment was never taken seriously. In that moment in time, the desire for and the overall need for the community was to accept the terms given to us. Was it the terms we wanted? Heck no. What I learned a long time ago is to never thump an alligator on the nose when you're standing waist deep in swamp water. Also, to say we bent over and took whatever the Viceroyship said/wanted is hilarious. Ask Cortath, Baka, Zeta, or SDRD (especially SDRD) about the grief we gave the entire Viceroy staff. It's amazing none of them rage quit on us. Anywho, I know where you stand D34th, understand your point of view, and am quite content to agree to disagree. This argument/discussion will continue to go in circles because of the differences in perception and philosophy of leadership and decision making. This is just same song different verse. I'll gladly continue to talk though it may be more productive to be done so via other channels.

[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1343947562' post='3017955'] Not my fault if you bend over and accepted the viceroyship, indeed most people would disband and that's just because most people sucks, but disbandment is better than slavery while both are still terrible choices when you always can keep fighting, what the worse thing that can happen? Be Zi'ed? Boo hoo! I love my freedom much more than my infra or technology, if your GATO members don't, shame on you. The fact is that your alliance preferred slavery than keep fighting, may be nobody said to you that your alliance had this option or the members were too afraid of lose more infra to think in this possibility, but if you really think that you deserve any respect because your alliance bend over and it's members passively accepted it I have to laugh, a lot. [/quote] As much I hate that I'm responding to this, D34th, with all due respect, do not speak about a situation you have never been in. I seriously doubt you will ever understand, or care to understand, what went on during that time frame within GATO.

My congrats to all. o/INT

Good grief, a topic on a current war situation and a GATO DoW has turned into the topic of UPS/1V and that era?? My mind has just skipped an electrical circuit or 4. :s Instead taking this topic further off-topic just query me with any questions or just to shoot the breeze. Edit: spelling

[quote name='Flonker' timestamp='1343511977' post='3016511'] Yup. Fashionably late. Lemme finish catching my breath after 4 rounds & I'll get back on the dance floor. Us old farts DO need a breather now & again... [/quote] Well we at least try to look out best when the mail system delivers our invitation late. lol Since I'm stuck in my lawn chair watching the glowing sky around me, I'll send you my walking cane on loaner. [img]http://www.wilsonwalkingsticks.com/na-wildlifepics/wolf150-S.jpg[/img]

Glad we can help our ODN brothers but I'm lonely and have no one to play with.

Grats on the new gov't. o/Hooligans

Glad peace was reached. It was a good fight all around. Good luck to all. o/

Happy hunting TIO.

My prayers are with Moo's family and Pacifica during this time of loss and mourning.

Congrats to our brothers in ODN! o/

It has been a pleasure getting to know you guys and being a part of CnG. o/

Welcome to the jungle!

o/ Brain Good hunting.

Welp I guess that's how the cookie crumbles. Looks like I can come out and play but there is no one to play with.

Glad to see this happen. o/GATO o/TPF

Very respectable post. I approve. o/NPO

Oh dear. We. Are. Doomed. Grats to all.

I'm glad to see this treaty happen and look forward to the future. As to the other discussion..... no comment.

We. Are. Doomed. j/k Congrats to all! o/ GATO ======================================================== [quote name='Skippy' timestamp='1335858668' post='2961524'] But where the hell is Kubla!? [/quote] He ran against Lanore for MoFA and lost.

Congrats to our TIO brethern! /me waves at Greg23

hmmmm should make for interesting days ahead. Good luck to you all.