Bob Sanders

Oh c'mon Bob, there were always two distinct sets of Karma members. Those who just wanted to kill NPO/Hegemony because they hated them and those that were convinced to join in because they were sold on the moralistic BS that is the Karma name. Its not very hard to tell which category the main alliances of Karma fell into. In fact I don't think that anyone outside of Citadel and close allies falls into the second category. If you actually thought Athens or CnG for that matter ever bought into your version of Karma the joke is on you.

You are also participating in the aforementioned raids under the FoB AA. Were you actually a member of FoB or did you just ghost for the purposes of the raid?

Red Sphere anybody?

Hypocrite, everyone knows that NPO tech raided all the time. Get with the program, cow.

That is truly disturbing sir.

Oh my!! Whatever could you be talking about?

Stunning to say the least.

Maybe offer and cancel peace a few times to create the illusion of attacks?

poor opsec IMO.... Then again we all know what your goal is here so it wasn't really secret....

I don't get mentioned here?

To be fair, inventing a spy out of thin air is a tough assignment. For myself it would probably be never joining \m/ or helping found Purge. \m/ was the reason I met chefjoe and Lysdexia so it wasn't all bad though.

This x10 I don't think I have ever talked to an NPO IO who said anything good about Zhadum or MaskofBlue. Most of them would express outright hate.

Pretty clear case of #2, basicly all the founders were from TPF.

count me in for cattle and fish

No idea why people are voting Fark, they don't fit the question. You have to be big to start with in order to bounce back. Fark formed with hundreds of tiny nations, was held at small sizes for a few months and then grew. Percentage-wise BAPS would have to be at the top although being a smaller alliance certainly influenced that. Polar has had the most impressive large scale rebuild during my time in CN. Edit: FAN is on their way too I'm sure, they have always had good coordination.

I had to block him on Skype and IRC due to contant harrassment in the form of daily calls, messages and highlighting in random channels that we happened to share. I finally told him to eff off and I haven't heard anything since.

I am greatly amused.

No, he wasn't.

One tech paid by TPF to PC is one tech too many. PC was treated 10x better than they ever deserved by mhawk. Mhawk made a clear choice not to roll PC when they were completely diplomaticly isolated and he was holding abundant evidence of PC recruiting numerous TPF members, he instead chose to attempt to reconcile with PC. Their repayment is a disgraceful show of classlessness.

Oh look another thread about Caffine.

In fairness being an annoying idiot is a pretty thin cb for any single incident but it can build resentment over time. [ooc]I just blocked him on skype and the annoyances went away. [/ooc]

Your perspective is clouded and your memory is selective, the hostility may have not been quite as public but you are massively oversimplifying the situation. There were numerous failed attempts by Karma to spark the war before it actually started. The gem in my sig is even better. I'm sure it was an accident that you offered the protection of Citadel, Superfriends and CnG to Tempest in exchange for them giving you a ridiculous cb on Valhalla. That "cb" was invented by Pete MaCavoy, a guy who has done nothing but spy and infiltrate alliances including Tempest and ODN and was bitter at Valhalla because we sniffed him out. Oh yea, that happened months before the war. Yep, there was no aggressive plotting by Sparta at all. Sparta is and will continue to be the village idiot of Karma.

You have absolutely no idea what was going on. This leadup to both wars was virtually identical. The only difference is that you were on Sponge's side this time and you are buying the propaganda hook, line and sinker. I am making no assumptions, I am stating facts. Sparta was in war planning talks as early as January and February and I didn't need GtG to tell me that. Claiming some noble defensive goal is ridiculous. You wanted NPO dead and made moves to make that goal a reality. If it wasn't OV it would have been something else, the actual cb was no more relevant than the cb in UJW.

Was your head in the sand? The sides in this war were being drawn for months.

I already answered this in my edit above.