Bob Sanders

[quote name='Nedved I' date='18 July 2010 - 01:19 AM' timestamp='1279433966' post='2376762'] Why all this attention over little old us, you shouldn't. Good luck to BAPS in the future, our paths simply diverge at this point. [b]In time we'll realize we've both come out of this ahead.[/b] [/quote] The bolded section above has got to be the most insincere load of crap I have ever read on Planet Bob. Frankly the concept is absurd, Planet Bob lives on war and if you aren't allied there is a strong likelihood you will end up opposite sides of a war. Wars have winners and losers which makes your point completely false. Carry on now.

[quote name='KingEd' date='18 July 2010 - 12:54 AM' timestamp='1279432478' post='2376724'] What would you like me to elaborate on ? The fact that IRON canceled on Legion proves my idea correct (partially at least)---however, that doesn't mean Valhalla had any part in that decision being made. [i]Oh wait...[/i] [/quote] We aren't telling anyone to cancel on Legion. As far as I know we only share one ally with Legion at this point anyway so its rather irrelevant.

[quote name='Penkala' date='17 July 2010 - 02:11 AM' timestamp='1279350678' post='2375627'] Defending Legion: 500 tech fine. [/quote] [u]How about 2 Billion Dollars[url="http://pastebin.com/xmjwqk4J"]?[/url][/u]

[quote name='kencojenko' date='08 March 2010 - 05:17 AM' timestamp='1268047312' post='2217892'] Our 'very own shortbowe' is in no way connected to TOP except for his alliance being at war with the same alliances we are. You should know he is not a member of TOP and thus, i can not tell him to do anything without infringing on his sovereignty (see, we do learn our lessons). I'm afraid that to me, anyone that wishes to run for government (which is generally a large charitable contribution with little thanks) is a loyal member of an alliance. The fact your alliance continued to select her as a member of your government means that either you were a minority in not considering her loyal, or you had no other options. If the latter is true, maybe that is why she continued in the role? You should also note that when Crymson was re-elected, our electorate was relatively uninformed about the Kronos/STA affair and the effect it had on relations with Kronos. I was our main point of contact at the time and i had some severe internet connectivity problems and thus could not keep tabs on the situation. Yes, that's a bad show on us that one member was the only real direct contact we had, but we have most definately learned from that mistake. The treaty was also cancelled post election, so the extent of any damage was not at that time clear. [/quote] Fair enough, I just assumed he was getting cute with his AA on here, I should have searched his nation. As for an uninformed electorate I think that applied in Sky's case too. It was primarily the people that were in the gov channel at the time that had a problem with her continuing as Emissary because we were the ones that she told about planning to leave etc. Our election rules are quite strict about negative campaigning so we weren't able to relay those concerns to the electorate. Another factor was that she is definitely friendly and appealing to people outside of gov positions hence the current defense of her in this thread. [quote name='Coursca' date='08 March 2010 - 11:40 AM' timestamp='1268070287' post='2218094'] And I can't think of anyone less qualified to lead, well, much of anything. Insert "did you Polar..." and "did you Bob Sanders..." comments here. [/quote] Yea, you are just another pathetic loser with no actual argument or content in your post. Go climb in your hole . P.S. I'm not qualified to lead an alliance, I made that decision over two years ago when I joined Valhalla. I am qualified to lead a military and I have successfully but I don't want to put in that kind of time anymore. [quote name='Yggdrazil' date='08 March 2010 - 12:16 PM' timestamp='1268072469' post='2218117'] I do not know Bob Sanders other than his posts on the forum. However this continuation of his written faux pas is tiresome.Address his posts with reason and forget the personal attacks, over a non-proofed comment. A persons competence grows. Bob, you seem to not allow for this growth. [/quote] That would be far too much to ask from the shoutdown style posters that have brought it up. Most of them post zero content related to the subject so cutting out the ad hominem attacks would mean they couldn't post at all. Its always fun to get a in a thread like this because it keeps my list of useless posters up to date. Maybe she has grown, I guess we'll find out. [quote name='Titus Pullo' date='08 March 2010 - 04:05 PM' timestamp='1268086217' post='2218354'] Let's examine the two points you made. You did, indeed, prove that the Emissary represents Valhalla, just as is outlined with [b]maintaining a diplomatic stance[/b]. The real question, therefore, is: What is "Valhalla"? According to the same charter, "Valhalla" is the embodiment of the Regent. Therefore, the Emissary represents the Regent in foreign affairs, and nothing else. On your second point, again you need to read your charter better. The Regent is "responsible for all facets of the alliance, including..., international politics, ..." Treaties fall under the purview of international politics and are therefore the sole responsibility of the Regent, or Vice Regent as per the Charter. I understand that you wish to see your alliance as perfect in every way and dismiss the flaws pointed out by me as being simply the opinion of a misinformed idiot. However, I could not think of a more childish way to excuse yourself from seeing the truth and carrying on a true debate than your last sentence. As such, I assume that you will read this post but not reply. That is fine with me as long as you go take a long hard look at your charter and figure out what it really means. I assure you that the results of this research will surprise you. The Regent of Valhalla is to be regarded as the omnipotent sovereign, don't let the false promise of democracy fool you. P.S. Using quotes to emphasize a word, such as "any", is pathetic and improper. [/quote] Chefjoe isn't a power mad micromanaging nitwit like noWedge, he allows the Einherjar to take care of basic situations such as this. Does that explain it? Planet Bob and Valhalla has evolved over time, a rogue incident from a nation at 1k NS is considered about as major as an embassy request anymore. As far as democracy goes, I think Valhalla has a good balance. Having a permanent leader allows for a continuity in policy over time and makes an alliance a much more stable ally. I personally think that TOP's constant changes recently between Grandmasters with different philosophies was a large part of their current mess. Flipping a switch to a different FA policy every two months does not work. I would never join an alliance that elected a new leader every two months.

[quote name='kencojenko' date='08 March 2010 - 02:17 AM' timestamp='1268036514' post='2217831'] I would like to remind you that Sky has been in TOP almost a year since she left Valhalla. She has come on leaps and bounds since [color="#FF0000"]than[/color] and been able to work with some highly experienced players. I've seen her conduct in peace negotiations and other FA interactions with both friendly and unfriendly alliances and i have 100% faith she will perform her duties with excellence. I have no doubt that Sky tried to convince Valhalla to be supportive of TOP (to what extent, i don't know) but that is surely expected when she later joins the alliance. Maybe that action hints that she was in one way or another fond of TOP? I think it's pretty standard for people to want to be aligned to alliances they like. My advise is for you to look up sky's [i]recent[/i] history in FA and take a look at what the people in this forum (which, may i remind you is a center for FA)think of Sky. Perhaps their visions of how she conducts FA differs to yours? Edit: Quick shout out to ma homies for believing in me. And my producer, my director and my mom of course! Love you mom! [/quote] I'd like to remind you that my quote was from way before that, had nothing to with actual gameplay and your very own Shortbowe was more than happy to allude to it as a ad hominem attack. If you are gonna tell me to let bygones be bygones I suggest you tell the same to Shortbowe. Sky had repeatedly told people that she was planning to leave for TOP and then ran for office again and served another 2 months. I'm sorry you can't see why I have a problem with that. As far as I'm concerned she was not a loyal member of Valhalla during that last term, she was a member of TOP in every way other than alliance affiliation. Maybe she has learned alot in that time, I guess we'll find out. Forgive me if I don't have very much faith in a TOP electorate that put Crymson into gov immediately after he almost single-handedly caused one of TOP's treaties to be canceled because he was deceitful snake in the grass. [color="#FF0000"]P.S. I'm sure Shortbowe will be along shortly to point out your incorrect usage of "than." He seems to be good at that sort of thing.[/color] [quote name='Titus Pullo' date='08 March 2010 - 02:37 AM' timestamp='1268037727' post='2217842'] Seriously, you need to read your charter. Let's look at what the Emissary does: The Regent: Interesting, the Emissary is not responsible for actual matters of Foreign Affairs, instead that is the Regent. It is not in the power of the Emissary to deal with a "simple noob rogue case", in fact the only one holding power to make such a powerful decision is the Regent or Vice Regent. Perhaps you could say the Marshal has the power to do so, but anything more and that's a stretch. Even for you. Come on Bob, learn about your own alliance before you come here and make stuff up. [/quote] That's why she had me handle it when I had no government position? She had every ability and power as an Einherjar member to talk to a tiny alliance about an extremely minor issue like that. You are completely ridiculous...... Thankfully for us we have been without your stupid legalistic interpretations for quite some time. And no its not a stretch, our current Emissary would handle a similar situation in his sleep.

[quote name='Jason8' date='07 March 2010 - 10:52 PM' timestamp='1268024250' post='2217657'] Also, Bob Sanders has bad things to say about it. That's basically a blessing for success. [/quote] Hello there ally Considering that TOP recently screwed over Kronos I can't help but wonder why you are defending them so strongly. Its almost as if you have some other reason but I can't quite put my finger on it.

[quote name='Titus Pullo' date='07 March 2010 - 09:41 PM' timestamp='1268020000' post='2217586'] Hey Bob, go read the Valhalla charter. The Emissary is not a job which requires any FA nor knowledge thereof. The position of Emissary only requires that one be able to spam embassies, tow the party line, and read the OWF. I do believe it is the second of these requirements that cause problems for most, considering the party line of Valhalla has traditionally been irrational. However, it seems you would make a perfect Emissary, other than your inability to express your thoughts using proper grammar. Also, for those of you saying this was a choice (Amossio): This was a mandate from Johan via his sacred document, The Charter of The Order. [/quote] So in your opinion someone holding the position of Emissary shouldn't need to be able to handle a basic noob rogue case? I'm telling you flat out that Sky was incapable of handling such a situation when no other gov was around. Instead she attempted to pull me out of retirement because she wasn't quite sure what to do about a war between two nations under 1k NS. I can't think of a more basic FA situation that could exist on Planet Bob. I didn't even bring up the fact that she was essentially a stool pigeon for TOP while sitting in Valhalla's gov for months clumsily trying to influence our FA in favor of TOP. Of course you already know that and I'm sure you will repeat some sort of hollow denial. TOP is nothing but a backstabbing, traitorous alliance that liked to push around its now former allies(see Kronos-STA reps fiasco recently) and that finally caught up with you. The only thing bittersweet about TOP getting rolled is that I dislike some of the people fighting TOP almost as much as I dislike TOP. Luckily I can take solace in the fact that you are dishing out massive damage on the way down. [ooc]By the way my grammar is just fine. I'll just assume that you haven't read anything that I have ever written other that that singular IRC quote. The fact that you brought that up just shows how pathetic you are. [/ooc] [quote name='Lafayette' date='07 March 2010 - 11:52 PM' timestamp='1268027826' post='2217707'] I'd say something about stones and glass houses, but I'm pretty sure whatever structure you lived in was nuked flat, so throw all the stones you want Mr. "Did you polar too stupid to read". [/quote] Please explain in detail how that quote affected my ability to run Valhalla's military because that is the only gov position I have held in Valhalla. I eagerly await your response. Until then I'll just take solace in the fact that your supposed "gotcha" line had zero effect on how I did my job. Sky's history on the other hand is completely relevant to the position she currently holds.

[quote name='Commisar Gaunt' date='07 March 2010 - 08:43 PM' timestamp='1268016519' post='2217497'] Wow, that's not very nice. [/quote] Nope [quote name='Mr Damsky' date='07 March 2010 - 08:45 PM' timestamp='1268016625' post='2217501'] Are you Bob Sanders really to stupid to read? [/quote] 1.5 years ago called, it wants its joke back [quote name='Believland' date='07 March 2010 - 08:46 PM' timestamp='1268016668' post='2217504'] How dare you, she's a very nice lady! Also, you can never have enough Timber [/quote] What does nice have to do with being an alliance leader? I'll take someone who can handle a basic noob rogue case while being MoFA of an alliance. Lest you all forget she was Valhalla's MoFA awhile back. [quote name='joracy' date='07 March 2010 - 09:01 PM' timestamp='1268017566' post='2217525'] Well [i]somebody[/i] seems to not like Sky irrationally. [/quote] Yep, not like I have ever been in an alliance in which Sky was involved in FA. [quote name='Letum' date='07 March 2010 - 09:14 PM' timestamp='1268018351' post='2217542'] Precisely why have you chosen to single out those two characteristics as some form of example of perceived incompetence? The only attribute that spamming would hint towards is an over-abundance of time, which is far from a detriment to good leadership. Quite the opposite, it is a bonus, though admittedly not the most important one. [/quote] Because they are her [b]only[/b] FA related skills, I'm not even slightly joking.

Wow, this is absolutely laughable, is she going to spam and photoshop you out of the war? I can't imagine that TOP has a single member less qualified to lead.

Seriously? No more casualties for me? Damn you all and your peace!!! How can anyone hail peace? Seriously though it was a fun way to waste 9000+ infra.

[quote name='Xiphosis' date='24 February 2010 - 01:36 AM' timestamp='1266997215' post='2201100'] Easier to copy-paste as I read than click those buttons. [/quote] [ooc]Try the shiny new multiquote button and then hit add reply at the bottom of the page(not on an individual post).[/ooc]

[quote name='Crymson' date='24 February 2010 - 12:38 AM' timestamp='1266993712' post='2200894'] It's a better name than he deserves. [/quote] You are gonna be riding shotgun in Grub's fail train to China so I'm not quite sure why you are talking now. [quote name='AlmightyGrub' date='24 February 2010 - 12:45 AM' timestamp='1266994142' post='2200934'] Dearest Bob, I am more than fully aware of the mistakes that have been made, they are many and several. I do thank you for your kind direction to them anyway. If you will note for future reference, your opinion has never been considered within our alliance, except to provide amusement. Do continue to carry on however. [/quote] Duly noted but I will continue to comment as I see fit. Please note that I have been going after Crymson just as hard as I have gone after you. [quote name='delendum' date='24 February 2010 - 12:45 AM' timestamp='1266994154' post='2200935'] It's a good thing the NSO wasn't TOP, amirite? [/quote] I was just saying that NSO's treaty with IRON made sense, their abrasiveness did clearly put them in a bad position.

[quote name='Xiphosis' date='24 February 2010 - 12:58 AM' timestamp='1266994933' post='2200988'] That's news to a lot of people. I threatened NpO with far more frequency than I ever did NSO. Did you feel very threatened then, Ivan? 'Cause I think Mr. Sanders is pulling things out of his $@! here. We responded to what was thrown at us and we left it alone after that. [/quote] And still no reason no reasoning behind your statement that NSO made a mistake by treatying IRON. Keep in mind that STA stated loudly and clearly that they were going to cancel regardless of the IRON treaty. So what's the reason? You don't like IRON? You wanted NSO on your side? You wanted NSO to have less treaties? I'm just baffled by your reasoning, help me out here? NSO is an abrasive alliance, they need all the help they can get.

[quote name='Xiphosis' date='24 February 2010 - 12:44 AM' timestamp='1266994108' post='2200928'] SF threatened NSO after Corinan started throwing his own our way. Don't be daft. [/quote] Doesn't really matter why. They were worried about a war and acted to strengthen their position. I don't particularly like NSO or SF but it was pretty obvious that NSO was gonna get hit at some point if this war hadn't happened. Yes they were reckless but the point of this was you claiming that the IRON treaty was a mistake, due to the situation I don't think it was.

[quote name='Xiphosis' date='24 February 2010 - 12:39 AM' timestamp='1266993806' post='2200907'] Why don't we start with signing with IRON? [/quote] Seriously? Superfriends was openly threatening NSO. I doubt they considered your opinion in the matter.

[quote name='Willaim Kreiger' date='24 February 2010 - 12:32 AM' timestamp='1266993387' post='2200870'] I think we all know your opinions on our intelligence and abilities by now, Bob. [/quote] Keep digging buddy, I'm waiting for that direct train route to China that Polar has been working on.

[quote name='Zombie Glaucon' date='24 February 2010 - 12:28 AM' timestamp='1266993102' post='2200838'] It sucks that both sides of this relationship made so many mistakes over the past month. [/quote] Sorry, I see it as 100% Polar stupidity. Who would want to be allied to completely unreliable idiots like Polar?

[quote name='Coursca' date='24 February 2010 - 12:13 AM' timestamp='1266992231' post='2200767'] I am incredibly sad to see this cancellation. You guys have done right by both Polaris and my beloved former alliance and first home, IRON. Thank you NSO and I hope this can be repaired in the future. [/quote] Your current home is a cesspool who has literally managed to do right by no one in this war unless you count the gift your incompetence gave to CnG. If there were any justice we would all declare a ceasefire and pound Polar into the ground with sledgehammers.

[quote name='sethb' date='23 February 2010 - 11:59 PM' timestamp='1266991384' post='2200709'] Oh wow, I didn't see this coming... [/quote] You are blind then, only an idiot would be happy with a Polar treaty after they managed to screw up this war in nearly every way possible and some that were previously not considered possible. Well, MK is happy that the stupid gave them a free run at TOP but other than that I can't see who would want a treaty.

[quote name='roymustang' date='22 February 2010 - 08:22 AM' timestamp='1266848557' post='2197223'] Aw look at the trolls, so cute... you may return to your posts under your respective bridges now, you're no longer needed As for those who are suppressing their "lolGGA" reflex to state their support, thank you for actually giving us a chance. You won't be disappointed. Those who are talking about spying, etc - Let's be honest, you're only seizing on this flimsy excuse for a possible CB because it saves you the trouble of coming up with your own flimsy one which no one will actually believe but will go along with anyway because they want to blow stuff up. Get over yourselves. Since Dem, Shane, and JB all posted statements, I suppose I should post my own: We're here. We know what we're doing, and trolls be damned, we're going to do what we came to do. -Roy_Mustang, Regent and Sword of the Realm [/quote] lolGGA is the only reasonable response to Jonathan Brookbank being a triumvir of GGA. [quote name='Penkala' date='22 February 2010 - 09:40 AM' timestamp='1266853247' post='2197296'] To be fair, that's what most people say every time you get re-elected. Just replace JB with Crymson. [/quote] bwahahahahahah You just wait, in another life somewhere he is going to come urinate all over one of your perfectly good wars with hours and hours of useless, mindnumbing negotiations. If he's in the mood he might just make a deal to pay reps behind your back and not tell you like he did with Kronos. He didn't even need to be gov to do that.

[quote name='Drai' date='09 February 2010 - 02:34 AM' timestamp='1265704440' post='2170308'] Just make sure you don't pass me. Oink will do that for you... Number of Soldiers Lost in All Wars. 4,041,251 Attacking + 4,402,480 Defending = 8,443,731 Casualties And, while I can still claim the prize (well done Oink, it was fun as #1 while it lasted): Total Soldier Casualties 1) 8,443,731 Total Soldiers Lost - Drai of Kanto - Aqua Team Unfortunately I didn't have the chance for many casualties this war because I was fighting 5 nations all much larger than mine, the coordinated aircraft and nukes really took a toll. I'm jealous when I see Oink and Bob Sanders losing maybe 800 infra a day and I was taking double that damage One thing I can say is that I've only done 3, maybe 4 tech raids in my life totaling no more than 1 million casualties. The rest have been from major wars. [/quote] I haven't raided hardly at all above 6k infra, doubt more than 300k-500k of mine are from raiding. I have been on the losing side in VietFAN, Karma and apparently this one. Being a smaller NS nation with 9.6k infra at the start of this war was a significant benefit to my casualty generation ability because I didn't have 100k+ nations beating on me. Unfortunately Oink has passed us both up although I do take some solace in knowing that I fought alongside Oink for a long time. Current standings with Infra level for anyone that cares: [quote]Total Soldier Casualties 1) 8,636,064 Total Soldiers Lost - oinkoink12 of booNtherlands - Orange Team [b]Infrastructure: 6,688.22[/b] 2) 8,456,635 Total Soldiers Lost - Drai of Kanto - Aqua Team [b] Infrastructure: 1,000.01[/b] 3) 8,327,555 Total Soldiers Lost - Bob Sanders of HawkeyeLand - Purple Team [b]Infrastructure: 1,681.90[/b] 4) 8,097,348 Total Soldiers Lost - TwistedRebelDB47 of Old Dominion - Black Team[b] Infrastructure: 1,000.01[/b] 5) 8,015,510 Total Soldiers Lost - Arcades057 of Delray Beach - Red Team [b]Infrastructure: 9,999.99[/b] [/quote] I believe that I am the only one of the top 5 that has war currently so hopefully I can pass Drai soon. Its gonna be tough with minimal infra though.

[quote name='Fantastico' date='20 February 2010 - 11:16 PM' timestamp='1266729406' post='2194602'] I'd be curious to see how many leaders in the cyberverse truly believe in creeds that find death and destruction to be fun. Sure, there are many who have little regard for the lives of others, but [b]what dominant creed or ideology would find [b]entertainment[/b] in the deaths of their very own citizens and subjects?[/b] Are we still no better than the fabled gladiators and coliseum bench warmers of ancient times? Are we forever trapped in a perpetual age of barbarous death, where men, women and even children are sent to their ends just for the sick pleasures of an unhappy cast of deluded politicians and tinpot dictators? As of this moment 6,754,939,800 soldiers have perished due to wars on our not-so-fair planet. That figure now exceeds the entire population of the most populous planet in one of our sister planetary systems. If we do not pause to rethink our ways now, as the OP urges, can we ever? [/quote] [color="#FF0000"][b]*Bob Sanders*[/b][/color] raises hand, Number of Soldiers Lost in All Wars. 4,048,741 Attacking + 4,278,814 Defending = 8,327,555 Casualties Casualty Rank: Ranked #3 of 26,202 Nations (0.01%) Onward and upward I say!! [quote name='kulomascovia' date='21 February 2010 - 01:14 AM' timestamp='1266736481' post='2194763'] What purpose does a nation serve if not to satisfy its citizens? [b]Sacrificing your citizens for global power is unbecoming of a leader[/b]. [/quote] So be it, I desire blood and I run the place so I will get blood. My citizens were even nice enough to let me out of anarchy today so I could get more blood.

Considering how many alliances I fundamentally dislike I am not going to talk trash about alliances I like just because I am on opposite sides right now. The FAN guys are still cool for the same reason I joined FAN way back in the day. We have have been on the other side since but I like them other than one member. Besides, it doesn't really matter who I'm fighting, I'm getting more casualties.

Number of Soldiers Lost in All Wars. 3,861,535 Attacking + 3,899,835 Defending = 7,761,370 Casualties Hoping to move because 3 of the people ahead of me are down to 1k infra or not fighting.

[quote name='tamerlane' date='06 February 2010 - 06:01 PM' timestamp='1265500907' post='2165406'] Oh Bob Sanders, you commenting on another alliance's diplomatic actions tickles me silly. ALthough I guess Valhalla is the leading expert on subversive diplomacy [/quote] I'm not a diplomat and I have never claimed to be. I know that is not a strength of mine and I stay away from it. I can however recognize when someone has an "Idiot" sign flashing over their head. Your own alliance was happily bragging about exploiting his mistake. My argument is that all of his subsequent "tough situations for Polar" were caused by leaving that offer on the table. It was an amateur move at best and its only purpose was to theoretically get good publicity, too bad he was up against Archon who has shown that he has the balls to win a war.