Silent Spectre

[quote name='Krunk the Great' timestamp='1320076750' post='2835712'] [color="#008000"]There are three possibilities [/color][list=1][*][color="#008000"]NSO Lies and says they were defeated by Legion[/color][*][color="#008000"]Legion, Tetris, and NSO simply shoulder their guns and go home[/color][*][color="#008000"]The war escalates[/color][/list][color="#008000"]Naturally the second option is preferable as it ends a war (The purpose of which was for Legion to show the world that they won't jump into peace mode at the drop of a hat, like the entire world and their mother expected them to, which is admirable I'll give them that) whose purpose has expired. The first option would be a deception as we have not been defeated by Legion, why would we tell the world we are except to stroke Legion's tiny nether regions even more. The third option is the least desirable, but still a possibility. It would end the war, yes. It would be much more decisive, yes. Personally? I don't have the time to invest into a much longer war. [/color] [/quote] Dude "the first option would be a deception as we have not been defeated by Legion" your profile says you are in NsO... YOU DID LOSE TO LEGION. And NSO is losing at the moment to legion, so shut up and get your facts straight before coming to the table. [quote name='Rush Sykes' timestamp='1320076949' post='2835714'] The issue that most of us have is this : NSO is in this war on a binding mutual defense obligation. Yet are being treated more harshly, in the conclusion of the affair, than those who blatantly used aggression clauses. It is all being done, in an effort to punish NSO for things that Legion were too afraid to man up and punish them for months ago when they actually happened. Now, dont get me wrong, I am rather giddy at the thought that this world is coming to accept punishing alliances for crimes committed in the past, that they were never punished for. I can think of a few alliances , though, that shouldnt want this precedent set. [/quote] I have no problems with NSO defending their ally. To me the reason they are being "picked on" for lack of better words is that it came out that THEY leaked the ss to Tetris, which means they are just as guilty.

[quote name='WarriorConcept' timestamp='1320076324' post='2835704'] As far as I'm aware Legion is offering peace as long as NSO admits defeat. [/quote] Surrender = Defeat... if NSO surrenders they should man the hell up and say good game, but we lost. And if NSO wasnt so scared of losing, why threaten bringing RoK in?

Idk, I do think they are winning... how much is another issue... but while anyone is winning, they are in a position to offer surrender terms to their enemies. If LOLegion was losing, it would obv be stupid for them to be like... surrender to us now!

[quote name='SirWilliam' timestamp='1320075085' post='2835688'] The opposing viewpoint isn't that The Legion being in a weaker position on the web makes its demands unfair, it's that continuing to insist on anything other than white peace seems overly confident given the possible consequences (escalation). [/quote] See, now it seems to me that Legion was asking them to peace out, and end it. So if Legion wants to insist that they wont demand reps for the simple words "We Lost To LOLegion"... I hate to say.. that is respectable. If my facts are wrong, please let me know. [quote name='WarriorConcept' timestamp='1320075439' post='2835691'] Well, that's why I'm respecting Legion a bit more now. If NSO's allies wish to bandwagon in just so NSO won't have to admit their defeat that is their prerogative. [/quote] Which would make NSO go from fail alliance to EPIC fail alliance. I mean to lose to Legion is bad, but to try and call in back support to help keep your pride, is just a PR nightmare. "We were losing to LOLegion so we had to activate RoK/TPF or whoever." Keep in mind, Legion HAS a VALID CB. Its not any of this "I dont like you, so I'll roll you." Tetris screwed up, got caught, and deserved their spanking. NSO did like any good ally and defended their treaty partner. That I respect. But when you are offered peace, and then escalate because of your pride... bad show. [quote name='Yevgeni Luchenkov' timestamp='1320075713' post='2835693'] There are, indeed, easier routes available. Legion can accept a white peace and Tetris' apology, confident in its numerical victory. ChairmanHal made a very sensible proposal. Do not be dense, Myth. Nobody is saying Legion should be paying reparations to NSO. However, if Legion keeps asking for more than their political hand allows them, it is going to backfire one day or another. Times are tense. [/quote] I thought Legion was OFFERING the WP, not being given the opportunity. If they are offering the WP, it is very respectable. If they are being offered a WP, I think they should keep fighting since they ARE beating Tetris/NSO.

[quote name='Kzoppistan' timestamp='1320074679' post='2835683'] ChairmanHal IS an award winning problem solver. I like it. [/quote] Knowing NSO they will call in their allies to help save their pride, and that will do nothing for them.

[quote name='Krashnaia' timestamp='1320066167' post='2835641'] Well, laughing at NSO and Rebel Virgina was already a running gag around here. The fact that they got !@#$%* slapped by Legion, of all people, makes them even funnier. [/quote] QFT [quote name='WarriorConcept' timestamp='1320074309' post='2835679'] I'd have to agree with both these guys. Legion is being very fair in its demands, just because it is in a weaker position on the web does not make it any less true. [/quote] Yeah I would have to agree. When you say, look, we can end this, all you have to do is say we beat you (thus what surrender means anyway), and you say no... it does look bad on you. Granted, I understand pride not wanting to accept losing to LOLegion, but still. IMO, if NSO wants to try and act all big and bad while losing.. forget white peace... just ZI them all.

Heh... saw this coming months ago.

Sorry for the loss guys. It sucks to lose someone some young

JRV

Interesting change in scenery...

Congrats Fark.

Glad to see that two of my favorite alliances are now treatied to each other. You couldn't ask for a better group than IRON and Umbrella.

Interesting

Nice lineup

/me loves Diplomacy

Heh, well... welcome

Congrats!

On behalf of the people of The Spectre Republic, I am please to announce our National Team, the Reapers, will be attending!

So all three orders all alone....? Cant play nice with one another... pretty sure this will lead to at least one of you getting rolled... just sayin

Something that wont send the world into war... two thumbs up. Good to see!

Congrats to NAH, IRON, and Argent. That's some good peeps you got there!

[quote] If in your mind you lump all German themes into a Nazi theme, you are prejudiced.[/quote] Correct... German and Nazis are two different things. But for people to not be able to use a germanic theme pre-WWII... thats not cool [quote]Mushreich has more Nazi imagery than NoR but no one cares.[/quote] True, if anything I can see people complaining about that more than NoR

[quote]To all of the people saying NoR is Nazi themed, you're all idiots. They have a Kaiser not a Furher. They're an Imperial Germany themed alliance, so just because you see the word Reich and the entirety of you history knowledge comes from your tenth grade social studies class doesn't give you free rein to mischaracterize a whole alliance because of your own biases or laziness. So shut the hell up already.[/quote] Meh, German themed alliance whatever... but for someone with a Mushroom Hitler to be trying to defend NoR, doesn't help PR wise. Just saying. Was the handled wrong? Meh, looks like. But on the flip side, funniest OWF thread I can remember in a long time.

[quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1308692587' post='2737729'] This literally ruined my day. [/quote] Nough said. [quote name='Mergerberger II' timestamp='1308692673' post='2737737'] Indeed. Let's hope stupidity has fewer victims in the future. [/quote] But stupidity leads to war.... war = fun... therefore stupidity = fun....

I say COUP