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[quote name='Hiro Nakara' timestamp='1300401514' post='2668334'] Clearly Penkala speaks for the entirety of DH, GTFO with that line of thought. [/quote] Never said he did. Penkala isn't even a member of a DH alliance. I just appreciate the general honesty from members of the other side.

[quote name='Penkala' timestamp='1300401251' post='2668324'] Enjoy perma-war. [/quote] See? It's a lot better if you get these things off your chest DoomHouse.

[quote name='potato' timestamp='1300400210' post='2668284'] That's not what he said and you know it. [/quote] Oh really? [quote name='Sardonic' timestamp='1300398560' post='2668216'] We're not interested in Eternal war with NPO.[/quote] [quote name='Sardonic' timestamp='1300398920' post='2668229'] You're the one who wants peace. [/quote] I guess the sky isn't blue either.

[quote name='Sardonic' timestamp='1300399423' post='2668246'] Yes, that's exactly what I meant, thank you for drawing the very clear conclusion from my incredibly ambiguous post. [/quote] You're welcome.

[quote name='Sardonic' timestamp='1300398920' post='2668229'] You're the one who wants peace. [/quote] So you don't want peace and you don't want permawar. Interesting.

[quote name='Sardonic' timestamp='1300398560' post='2668216'] We're not interested in Eternal war with NPO. We are more than willing to negotiate with them to a fair compromise. Eternal war is something that nobody deserves, there should always be a clear path to peace. [/quote] If you want peace, try offering something the other side will accept. [quote name='Il Impero Romano' timestamp='1300398671' post='2668218'] But now what will people cry about? [/quote] How about SethB? VE already has a head start.

Yeah... Also switch to TBS, best game on currently...Louisville is losing.

I have pretty much the same picks except Bucknell over UConn... yeah I know that's dicey. Clemson over WVU. Michigan State over UCLA.

[quote name='TypoNinja' timestamp='1300347901' post='2667468'] Then why accept any terms at all if you find their word to be so worthless? You only have their word [i]any[/i] surrender agreement will be honored, let alone the one they just publicly announced. [/quote] That is the question of the day isn't it. [quote name='Chief Savage Man' timestamp='1300347912' post='2667470'] It would not be in your interests to sit in peace mode doing nothing forever. [/quote] If CN has taught us anything, it is that nothing last forever. Hell has frozen over at least once.

[quote name='Ardus' timestamp='1300346325' post='2667446'] 4. Doing so would wipe out diplomatic capacity save with a few allies. This would result in the demolition of the Doomhouse's power and influence. [/quote] If MK's word was still worth something...it seems like it would be in our interests to continue the war in hopes that you change your mind and then watch you try to impose reps on us.

[quote name='General Scipio' timestamp='1300346290' post='2667445'] Ardus has said in this thread that before the agreement was made a specific timeline for peace would be annouced. Read the thread before writing. [/quote] I don't believe the term white peace was actually used. The difference between white peace and a peace with various terms attached can be huge. fake edit: Ardus just cleared up most of the random junk in this thread. real edit: someone just leak the damn logs already.

[quote name='General Scipio' timestamp='1300346084' post='2667435'] I'm not a gov official, but would it be so hard to sign terms before? Something like "On March 24th, 80% of NPO's upper teir are out of peace mode. On April 24th, white peace will be declared Signed DH NPO" [/quote] I'm not under the impression that white peace with specific dates was on the table. But if it was, I'm sure one of your gov can correct me.

[quote name='Ardus' timestamp='1300345370' post='2667403'] Incorrect, as I've stated repeatedly in this thread. [b]After one month of war NPO can take peace whenever it wants it. It will be given, no further demands made.[/b] If the war continues beyond one month it would be by Pacifica's choice, not our own. That is the "give or take a few days". [/quote] By the logic your myriad followers are spewing: it's our choice if we don't come out of peacemode, therefore it's our choice that the war continues. Let us put aside the fact that we didn't choose this war. You, after all, declared war on us. Please explain why you would not offer ridiculous Karma scale reps at the end of 1 month and after we reject said reps, why the war would not continue, by "our choice"?

[quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1300344359' post='2667364'] If they choose to stay in peace mode and not fight, I don't know why it could be pinned on our side as the badguys. Unless you believe that people should be rewarded for not fighting in, like, wars. And that future conflicts should be decided by who slips into peace first and forces a white peace. No, wars should be fought, not opted out of. If NPO decides to not fight, and there's a resultant "eternal war," they have only themselves to blame. They have avenues out of the war but choose not to take them. [/quote] Yes, it is up to the defending side to end a war. It is not in Doom House's power to end a war they started. NPO chose to fight this war because they exist and haven't paid their dues. Karma's a !@#$%*.

[quote name='Hereno' timestamp='1300341115' post='2667210'] This is pretty hilarious. NPO suddenly finds the same terms they imposed on FAN mean and terrible. Whoever thought these up needs a pay raise, truly, because you're actually forcing NPO to say their actions were wrong, even if it's not directly. [/quote] Gasp. Maybe we should apologize.

[quote name='Ryan Greenberg' timestamp='1300339670' post='2667156'] So if they don't accept it....it's FAN all over again. Karma did nothing it seems. [/quote] No don't you see? It is [i]we[/i] that are prolonging the war because we won't accept the terms. Seriously, how many times does DumbHouse have to post the same thing over and over again for you.

[quote name='The MVP' timestamp='1300339187' post='2667143'] [b]The play:[/b] [img]http://i.ytimg.com/vi/zuTXhNTlm2U/0.jpg[/img] Once there was alliances so dumb they ran around yelling, "Everything must die." The end. [/quote] Unfortunately, that appears to portray DoomHouse in a negative light. The whole play thing is hilarious. If I have a abundance of free time, I would do it myself. I don't think I would be able to keep the negativity out of it though.

Wow you guys are getting antsy aren't you? It's only been 2 months, relax.

RIP SethB 2008-2010 Victim of Pacifican Crimes against humanity.

Nice work GATO.

Let us hope that never happens.

There's a point where you're going overboard and you've past it. No GTFO 12 UAB/CLEM over 5 WVU 4 TEX over 13 OAK 11 VCU over 6 GTWN 10 MSU over 7 UCLA Maybe 12 MEM over 5 ARIZ 10 PSU over 7 TEM 5 KSU over USU 11 MIZZ over 6 CIN 12 RICH over 5 VAN I would take 3 of 4 of those GTFO choices out. I like UConn to lose as my shocker.

Are we going to get personal apologies from every individual member of Doomhouse?

You're picking way too many upsets. Oakland over Texas...cmon man. And as much of a CUSA homer I am, UAB doesn't have a chance against WVU even if they get past Clemson. GTFO with Michigan State. They're the ones who shouldn't be in at all, not UAB. The Big10 is a disgrace. Tennessee as a 9 seed is ridiculous as well. I'm still going to pick them to beat up Michigan bad, but they should be around a 13 seed or worse.

Besides the excess of "flamboyant tough boy" roleplaying going on at the OWF, a couple of other things have been bothering me. 1. You should all thank me and my passive aggressiveness because it is much much less irritating than another tough guy routine. 2. Every single one of us is a hypocrite. If you deny it, you're a bigger hypocrite than the rest of us. Stop. Posting. About. Hypocrisy. 3. We all like to post about historical events as an "this proves your argument is invalid!" card, but we really should keep these things in perspective. The vast majority of nations in the game were not there to experience the things we ramble on about for hundreds of pages. You want numbers you say? I went through the all nations display by creation date and this is what I found.* Great War I Ended August 1st, 2006 406/20,653= 0.01966 or 2% Great War III Ended April 13th, 2007 2,019/20,653 = 0.09776 or 10% GPA War Ended March 13th, 2008 4,328/20,653 = 0.2096 or 20% End of the Ordinance of the Orders Ended July 4th, 2008 5,113/20,653 = 0.2476 or 25% Karma War Ended July 19th, 2009 8,036/20,653 = 0.3891 or 39% I found the Karma War percentage shocking enough that I'll go ahead and link it here. There are the rerolls, but there aren't enough to noticeably shift the percentages around. I could also easily say that most of the nations still around don't give two !@#$% about 2007 anymore. Who does care about events 4-5 years ago? The rather vocal minority of people posting on these forums. The vocal minority spread "the facts" around to the people who don't bother getting involved on the CN forums or weren't playing when these events happened. The result is that we all end up carrying emotional baggage from stuff we really shouldn't care about in the first place. *I'm trying out the delayed publishing option. These numbers are from Thursday night. I'm probably not around, so don't DoW on me. Lol.