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[quote name='Hiro Nakara' timestamp='1300647907' post='2671229'] MUHAHAHAHA, PB haven't even entered yet. I somehow think you're deluded if we will be the ones surrendering. [/quote] Lol. A third of the PB's alliances are already fighting us. You're welcome to bring in the rest though.

[quote name='uaciaut' timestamp='1300529479' post='2670093'] Maybe we should just p-zi everyone who doesn't come out of PM, it's not like we'd be setting a precedent. [/quote] Good idea. Maybe you could say that a few more times here and on your privates boards. May even come true.

[quote name='Lusitan' timestamp='1300527542' post='2670082'] Ok, if Legion's (and other people's) reparations were negotiated to an acceptable level for them you would be ok with this way of ending the war? [/quote] That would definitely be a nice start. I've been pretty firm in my stance of white peace for the entire front personally. I'm not a negotiator or any kind of official though.

[quote name='Lusitan' timestamp='1300527126' post='2670077'] Last I checked GOONS were charging around 100 million per alliance. Sure you have 15 allies in or something, but 100 million is (stupid because it can't be divided by 3) nothing. I might be wrong though, I am not into other alliances' negotiation processes. [/quote] Its 2 billion from Legion "because they didn't fight." Most of the others are around a couple hundred million each. It was leaked about 40 pages back in this thread I think. You can ask your people if you can't find it.

disregard double post

[quote name='Lusitan' timestamp='1300524999' post='2670061'] You can end this up simple and quickly in an absurdly easy way by fighting 1 month of war with no additional reparations. It would good for us (you wouldn't be a threat anymore), it would be good for you (you get out of this mess and you probably can rebuild decently with warchests) and it would be good for Planet Bob in general because we wouldn't be drawn out to a long period of peace terms that freeze the game. [/quote] You're probably aware that the ~no reps~ offer only applies to the NPO. GOONS want reps. The whole "lets give NPO white peace and then take 2 billion in reps from their friends" smoke and mirrors routine isn't working. I'm pretty fond of those friends myself, so I'm pretty supportive of telling DoomHouse to $%&@ off. Plus I don't like your side's implied threat of "don't you dare grow too fast or ally with people we don't like" hanging permanently over my head.

Congrats to IAA and Exodus.

[quote name='flak attack' timestamp='1300508241' post='2669822'] I think you missed the entire point of his argument. And before you check, I have more casualties than you. [/quote] There isn't an "argument" at all. The whole premise of basing anything on someones casualty count is retarded in of itself. More so when you have less than the person you are insulting. If you two want to continue debating it, please go on without me.

IF I SEE THAT ONIONHEAD ONE MORE TIME

[quote name='Antonio Salovega VI' timestamp='1300494381' post='2669608'] Snip [/quote] Two can play this game... I have more causalities than you. Your argument is invalid sir.

Whoops.

As much as I would like to think that, the total NS of DoomHouse and friends is somewhere around 56 million. I don't feel like adding up all the various alliances myself right now, but it is on the wiki if anyone is interested.

Godwin's Law. I'm going to take a nap till update.

Yes, we'll eventually run out of money to keep your lower tier in wars and out of tech deals. It won't be a permatech raid though, because you won't be able to keep us at war in game with the number of small nations you have available. NPO and friends weren't able to do it and they had a lot more nations than FAN did. People who get trapped out of peacemode will be picked clean after a few rounds anyway. Personally, if I got caught out of peacemode with no money, I would send all my tech away to my friends already there. Other than that, I don't see anything to disagree with. Once the fighting wraps up, the political game will heat up. The stat damage has pretty much plateaued already, except for NoR and us. They're probably moving nations around different AA's though.

That may well be the case.

The world is now a better place thanks to this incident being brought to light. Next at 11: Battle Reports and comparing the current power structure to the Continuum.

Let me be real for a post. As far as the ~terms~ go: We were offered "white peace" after 1 month of war, some of our allies were not. Besides them being our friends, it would make our strategic position weaker if they had to face an extended period of fighting by themselves. Normally I wouldn't really care about our deterrence ability because attacks out of the blue are a rare occurrence. Two months ago my opinion changed. Due to the vague nature of Archon's ~CB~, an attack could take place, by DoomHouse reasoning, the instant we are thought to be a threat. I can't take credit for this line of one of our alliances members, but I get the feeling that DoomHouse's leadership views "Pacifica as a shurb that needs to be periodically trimmed back." A long extended conflict is probably our best bet for deterring future aggression on us and our allies. If you know you're going to get a year long war of occupation every time you declare war, you'll at least show a little pause. I also suspect after the one month of war specified in the terms, we would also have to make one of those "we admit defeat" statements. We would then get another drawn out thread about how making a "we admit defeat" statement is/is not "white peace." As much as we all love those circular argument threads, I think I'll pass. All of this is of course only my own opinion on the situation.

No thanks. And the biggest crime here is that you knocked my bracket out of the top 5 blogs. For shame. Oh and come out and fight me when you come out of peacemode. It'll be fun.

[quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1300471245' post='2669184'] 1) Who gives you the right to tell us what [i][b]our[/b][/i] rights are? And we didn't start a war with the 11 alliances that attacked us. They started it. Especially the oA and oD ones. And you're right, we aren't asking reps for the war we started. So there you go. Unless you're implying we can't ask for reps from people who attacked us just because. [/quote] GOONS was just caught up in this whole thing really. Wrong place, wrong time.

I'm just going for the team with the best mascot at this point.

[quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1300404258' post='2668415'] And if you invoke your inner Methrage and refuse to accept any terms no matter what they are, we're oppressing you with eternal war? [/quote] How about you try sending another offer and then see what happens? [quote] Is that how it works now? The losing side dictates they won't take anything but white peace, then sits back and waits to be rescued because they're obviously being VietFANned? [/quote] Hey, it worked for FAN. If you want to end the war, you could try offering white peace too.

[quote name='Hiro Nakara' timestamp='1300403087' post='2668385'] I wasn't disagreeing with what you stated, I'm also of the opinion that if they don't want to take the terms they themselves would prefer perma war. [/quote] And I am of the opinion that if DoomHouse doesn't offer terms we will accept, they want permawar.

[quote name='Hiro Nakara' timestamp='1300402206' post='2668354'] Read your original comment. Penkala does not speak for DH Penakala holds no membership in DH It wont be perma war because you will accept terms, negotiated or not to your liking. [/quote] Allow me to clarify. I thought it might be a good idea for Doom House to stop beating around the permawar bush. Penakala doesn't beat around the bush. His status doesn't make a difference to me. As I posted, I find statements like his refreshing and I wish more of the anti-NPO crowd would follow his lead.

[quote name='Hiro Nakara' timestamp='1300401786' post='2668343'] So it was a thick comment to make that holds no relevance to anything, thanks for clearing that up. [/quote] Of course its relevant. It's a post by a VE member on the topic of permawar. We've been posting about permawar for about 50 pages now. Surely you couldn't be suggesting this whole topic is irrelevant and this is all just a cheap PR move by DoomHouse?