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[quote name='Emperor Marx' timestamp='1304709372' post='2707605'] Quote a bunch of people, argue every single point. Post a witty picture to illustrate how you don't understand my point. Back up argument with evidence. Continue to dissect the evidence for others so they may understand. Complain about how I am not being understood properly or how you are twisting my words around. Empty posturing. Can't we do better? The war is over, it's time for drinks not futile bickering. [/quote] We can have drinks in three weeks.

[quote name='Ryuzaki' timestamp='1304440231' post='2705254'] Neutral alliances exist you know. [/quote] I'm not quite ready to take that plunge yet.

[quote name='Lord of the Dance' timestamp='1304433867' post='2705179'] If you can't stand to lose... possibly should stay away from war. [/quote] Difficult to do when someone declares war on you.

[quote name='Jrenster' timestamp='1304283538' post='2703351'] I don't understand how spying during war equals CB for later. Are you people seriously considering that? [/quote] Remember what Athens tried to pull on TPF? I still do.

Lol. This war really should have ended about three weeks ago. The terms were nearly finalized from what I heard. Still, I had a nice little fight with a GOON who had a WRC at 7k NS a week ago, like myself. For comparison, the DH-NPO front just passed the Karma War in duration, if you don't count TPF being held at war for an extra few weeks. And it should pass that too, based on the nature of the terms.

A slight improvement over last week's edition I think.

Congrats Avalon.

Latest PM stats are from April 13th here: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AoJD-FIuyoB0dGlWeUlaNDluUzZ3NXhub1ZPV1M0LVE&authkey=CMmrnf4C&hl=en#gid=3NPO had ~84% of their NS (represented by ~38% of their nations) in PM when those stats were taken. I just got to 4.5 million for nations over 20k NS doing it myself with a calc. TBH, I think most of the nations under 20k have been out of peacemode at least once to fight and you can tell when people went in thanks to the admin update. When I saw the 3.5 mil number, it might have been for nations referenced in the terms. Props for whoever took the time to do that for every alliance. I guess I have something to do for next week here.

Um...no? I'm just bored and it seemed like a useful thing to do since the UE stats are down. I swear, an NPO member could post a letter of the alphabet every day and it would be viewed as a fiendish Pacifican plot by some elements. Though on the subject of pity and sympathy: I hear demanding reps from alliances activating treaties is the latest way to feel sorry for yourself.

The last time I bothered looking it up, I think it was roughly 3.5 million NS. Around 21% of our prewar nation strength or 58% of our current NS. I'm sure there are DH'ers running around with an exact figure for that.

Linky It took a couple hours, but I finally added all the combatants on the NPO front, using the available nation strength stats. There are still a few gaps, mainly because Unspeakable Evil stopped updating his thread in the beginning of March and I did not start making this until early April. The losses page for both sides should speak for itself, let me know if you have any issues. The MK Side line graph has a couple alliances that are the same color. I tried fiddling with it for about 30 minutes before I gave up. You can still figure out who is who by clicking on the line. The raw data used to make the graphs is still there, you just have to click the right arrow at the bottom of the page. The data ends on April 29th. I might update it again next week. Enjoy. p.s btw, firefox crashed a couple times when viewing the graphs for me, but there weren't any issues with google chrome.

2 [i]awesome[/i] alliances right here pip pip.

The sanction was obviously done at FOK's request. It hardly appears to be mutual agreement between FOK and the defending nation. Still, I wouldn't say its awful on moral grounds. The principle duty of an alliance member is to safeguard and further the strength of his alliance after all. Getting a nation you are fighting sanctioned would surely help in that goal. It seems to me though that raiding a 100k+ nation would hardly be profitable in the first place though. Maybe there is a good reason, since our senator sanctioned him.

Lol FOK. Thats pretty much all I got this morning.

The Ponder thing blew my mind. It seemed like as soon as we drafted Locker, the Jags had to move up to get their QB...but I still thing Ponder would have been their in the second round. Most teams had him behind Kaerpernick and Dalton I believe.

[quote name='Alfred von Tirpitz' timestamp='1304048904' post='2701711'] I also read here somewhere that opposition never gets more than 5, i find that to be an erroneous statement. You just have to look at the ratings. The majority might be partisan, but the few that know more, do more, usually rise above such mundane concerns. [/quote] I was just talking about myself. I don't pretend to be unbiased in discussions like this. Like I gave MK a 3. I'll be real for a moment, if we actually got along, I would rank them an 8 or so. We usually know which alliances are objectively terrible before we look at individual rankings anyway. Sometimes you just have to keep up appearances.

May you lead TOP bravely upon its newest FA path.

[quote name='BastardofGod' timestamp='1304043452' post='2701648'] I could care less on the whole thing. Most of the people I started with are gone or spread out in other alliances. That being said I could go rate but looks like a giant troll thread. And I don't troll. Ever. [/quote] I think you mean being [i]overly critical for the sake of self amusement[/i]. You should try it though, feels good.

Oh and Dalton of course. edit: looks like they liked locker more than gabbert

Well, I'm not sure what to think.On one hand, I'm a Titans fan (unfortunately, most years), and Gabbert would be a pretty decent choice at quarterback, not somebody who will turn the team around overnight and become a national phenomenom, but a solid player that you can build a team around - then again, I thought similar things about Rothlisberger, and a little before I started paying much attention to the draft, I can only imagine what people thought about Tom Brady, if they had even heard of him.On the other hand, I'm a fan of the Kansas Jayhawks, and hate the thought of cheering for anybody who has played for Mizzou.I hope that your right/wrong. Munchak has said he wants a somewhat mobile quarterback. That means no Mallet, thank God. Gabbert might not be there at 8 also. I'm really leaning toward them drafting Auburn's Fairley at DT first. Depending on how fast the QB's start flying off the board, they may try to trade up to get Kaerpernick, Ponder, or Locker. I'm fairly convinced that a QB will be drafted by them in the first or second round.

Rating alliances objectively here is probably doomed from the start. I didn't rate them objectively, I just rated them based on how much I liked their gov. Occasionally, a couple of members bring up the score a point or so. Opposition can't get above a 5. Neutrals get a 0. Alliances that don't do anything, either pro or con, tend to lose points. Hopefully no one takes these too personally.

The South Hegemony was right!

[b]Old List[/b] Mostly Harmless Alliance- 4 (Do more stuff) Green Protection Agency- 0 (>Neutral) Fark- 2 Independent Republic Of Orange Nations- 6 Sparta- 2 World Task Force- 0 Orange Defense Network- 0 (Overreact to Schattememmemem) The Order Of The Paradox- 1 (Will probably be a 9 when they inevitably switch sides) Umbrella- 4 (Would be 0, but you have pixels. Edit: on further consideration, they're the reason we lost, so a couple points there) New Pacific Order- 10 obviously Global Alliance And Treaty Organization- 5 (At least omni isnt there anymore) Viridian Entente- 4 (You actually do stuff, but of course other side of the web and all) The Democratic Order- 0 New Polar Order- 4 (Really, this isn't ever going to work again I think) FOK- 2 R&R- 5 Mushroom Kingdom- 3 (See VE) Nordreich- 0 (Secret treaties are bad for the game) LoSS- 5 Nusantara Elite Warriors- 1 The Legion- 7 Valhalla- 0 (Just no) Multicolored Cross-X Alliance- 6 Nueva Vida- 5 The Foreign Division- 5 Federation Of Armed Nations- 2 (would actually be higher if you did stuff, hating us isn't that original) NATO- 5 Global Order of Darkness- 4 (See VE, MK) The Grand Lodge Of Freemasons- 4 Legacy- 1 The Templar Knights- 1 The Order Of Light- 6 Asgaard- 2 iFOK- 2 Commonwealth Of Sovereign Nations- 5 Athens- 3 World Federation- 5 Goon Order Of Oppression Negligence And Sadism- 3 (You know why) Fellowship Of Elite Allied Republics- 5 Global Democratic Alliance- 1 Argent- 2 Guru Order- 1 Christian Coalition Of Countries- 3 (I made a mistake the first time, you don't do anything) Ragnarok- 6 The Phoenix Federation- 8 Random Insanity Alliance- 1 (Pick a damn side) [b]New List[/b] Siberian Tiger Alliance- 5 (would like you more, but "politics") The Prolific Empire- 5 Olympus- 5 Poison Clan- 0 (Valhalla 2.0, with less stats) Colossus- 4 Greenland Republic- 2 (thought you had disbanded honestly) United Purple Nations- 4 (merge with Legion) Hydra- 4 Carpe Diem- 6 Créole- 5 =LOST=- 4 Europa- 5 Dark Templar- 5 Imperial Assault Alliance- 2 The Order of Righteous Nations- 3 Phoenix Rising- 4 Seaworthy Liberian Carboard Boxes- 4 Invicta- 6 New Sith Order- 7 (your mere existence irritates the other side) North Atlantic Defense Coalition- 6 The Imperial Order- 7 United Blue Directorate- 3 Gotham- 1 SOS Brigade- 4 Nebula-X- 3 The Sweet Oblivion- 0 (MCXA rejects right?) Union of Integrated National Entities- 4 Exodus- 5 Molon Labe- 8 (seriously, probably one of the best alliances on our side) \m/- 2 (please disband, +2 for a couple of your members) Atlantic Sphere Union- 5 OMFG- 3 [b]Blocs:[/b] Complaints and Grievances Union- 3 (Has lost a step) Superfriends- 5 Synergy- 2 Doomhouse Accords- 3 (Ideal mix of NS ranges, shame about the members) Pandora's Box- 0 (Merge with DH, you're not fooling anyone. Or maybe the other way around. Such cases.) AZTEC- 4 (Fighting Sparta isnt that hard, others will rank you higher) Blood For Friends- 2 Chestnut Accords- 4 (It is amazing how Xiph's ego can power an entire bloc. Bless their hearts.) Terra Cotta Pact- 6 (bias) Checkmate- 2 (>Airme) Kel-Morian Combine- 1 (wot) Poseidon- 4 Victory Not Vengeance- 1 (wot)

[quote name='SADeki' timestamp='1303962824' post='2700862'] Why? [/quote] Sardonic stole my lunch money.

Mostly Harmless Alliance- 4 (Do more stuff) Green Protection Agency- 0 (>Neutral) Fark- 2 Independent Republic Of Orange Nations- 6 Sparta- 2 World Task Force- 0 Orange Defense Network- 0 (Overreact to Schattememmemem) The Order Of The Paradox- 1 (Will probably be a 9 when they inevitably switch sides) Umbrella- 2 (Would be 0, but you have pixels) New Pacific Order- 10 obviously Global Alliance And Treaty Organization- 5 (At least omni isnt there anymore) Viridian Entente- 4 (You actually do stuff, but of course other side of the web and all) The Democratic Order- 0 New Polar Order- 4 (Really, this isn't ever going to work again I think) FOK- 2 R&R- 5 Mushroom Kingdom- 3 (See VE) Nordreich- 0 (Secret treaties are bad for the game) LoSS- 5 Nusantara Elite Warriors- 1 The Legion- 7 Valhalla- 0 (Just no) Multicolored Cross-X Alliance- 6 Nueva Vida- 5 The Foreign Division- 5 Federation Of Armed Nations- 2 (would actually be higher if you did stuff) NATO- 5 Global Order of Darkness- 4 (See VE, MK) The Grand Lodge Of Freemasons- 4 Legacy- 1 The Templar Knights- 1 The Order Of Light- 6 Asgaard- 2 iFOK- 2 Commonwealth Of Sovereign Nations- 5 Athens- 3 World Federation- 5 Goon Order Of Oppression Negligence And Sadism- 3 (You know why) Fellowship Of Elite Allied Republics- 5 Global Democratic Alliance- 1 Argent- 2 Guru Order- 1 Christian Coalition Of Countries- 5 Ragnarok- 6 The Phoenix Federation- 8 Random Insanity Alliance- 1 (Pick a damn side) The glorious feeling of not being an official.