Jaiar

You should ally with [url="http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=476361"]LOLman789789[/url] and Let. The. World. Tremble.

[quote name='Il Impero Romano' timestamp='1336890045' post='2966868'] A massive set of balls, unparalleled in size, girth, and potency. [/quote] Well said. I hope you guys have some moves ready if or when PB dissolves. Lacking individual treaties with Umbrella and GOONS leaves you guys open to hostility from some that would see you guys turn into an NpO/GOD type of target. I'm not comparing histories or leadership, simply the fact that a target seems to always be needed to exist putting you guys in the cross hairs for your loyalty to Xyph/GOD. Impero, you know very well how things start. Many ITT have not held back the pleasure they feel in seeing TOP cancel; it may just escalate from here to turn public opinion against VE. The follower alliances/leaders will bandwagon on this simply to get on the "right" side of an upcoming conflict or further suck up to their masters.

[quote name='Believland' timestamp='1336868001' post='2966707'] Even if GOONS with Umbrella leaves them they'll always have God. [/quote] I think we all know what they have left. I see you did not deny the isolation, interesting.

So, the isolation of the Viridian Entente begins. I don't expect Umbrella and GOONS to want to keep PB going. What does VE have left after PB is gone.

Agreed...it is disappointing to see a historic alliance go. Good luck Fokkers in your home with Non Grata and where ever else your members go. o/FOK

Dry your tears, Polaris... Hope of a bright future comes back to you... Well said Emperor Random. o/ Polaris

[quote name='Brehon' timestamp='1336186853' post='2963596'] There is only one part to teams that remains: The three Senate Seats. NPO's stance on them will not change. We will not interrupt the status quo, and continue to work with the other Red Sphere alliances on seats. The NPO will continue keeping its own 2 candidates, and vote for any 3rd who is supported by Red Dawn or the alliances of the sphere. However, should other alliances seek to deteriorate relations or start drama with the Order, we will not hesitate in pulling all support and having Pacificans push and [b]vote for an all-NPO senate.[/b] [/quote] An all NPO Senate would be the way to go. If any alliance wants a seat they should grow in members or campaign for it. I have never received a single message from anyone other than a Pacifican regarding Red Senate voting. The others are too lazy to do any work so why should their Senator get a vote or a Senate seat? It's a nice gesture on your part Brehon/Pacifica...too nice.

[quote name='Archon' timestamp='1336281355' post='2964351'] I'm not new. I buy myself tech with my collection every day. ^.^ [/quote] 4.5 10 10 5 10 10 0.5 and then in 10s so it's cheaper and don't forget to buy infra everyday so your collection is bigger too.

[quote name='Sardonic' timestamp='1335909873' post='2961806'] You were supposed to post this in the mercy board I take it :I. [/quote] Sweep the leg.

[quote name='Brehon' timestamp='1335382304' post='2959096'] We all know the ties, we all have them plotted. Am I wrong here? [/quote] You could be right and it could be very ironic.

[quote name='Sardonic' timestamp='1335034633' post='2956683'] Well if he's going to continue his one man crusade against us, there's not much else to be done. [/quote] Sardonic, do the world a favor and white peace him or something to get rid of him. Also, to those asking who is "We"...I'm guessing he's talking about his nation's Total Population: 4,438 Supporters and Number of Soldiers: 2,091. I think the dude is crazy and actually talks to his supporters and soldiers

Nueva Vida. Not sure if these count but iFOK and Poison Clan. Athens. If you're not counting mergers then I guess you can exclude the latters, but Nueva Vida for sure is/was a good disbanded alliance.

[quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1334438129' post='2953329'] In my nation Silla we play basketball too. The only difference is we don't play 5 on 1 basketball games in Silla (the GOONS-Kaskus war). We certainly don't cheer if one guy has to play 200 and gets beaten. [/quote] Omni, I'm referring to Bob Janova's assertion that GOONS brings nothing to the table; I said nothing about what the war odds in what you quoted. However, war is not about playing with even odds. The best war doctrine to guarantee victory is overwhelming force; going to war and tabling firepower just to keep things fair/even is silly talk.

[quote name='Bob Janova' timestamp='1334434212' post='2953298'] "Let MK show you why we don't need WRCs" I rather agree with Starfox, this is showing that GOONS has nothing to bring to the table themselves, they can only drag their allies in, even against two micros. How long before their allies get sick of taking PR and NS hits on behalf of GOONS and getting very little (except for MK and Umbrella who get their tech) in return? [/quote] In the nation of Asysias we like to watch a sport called basketball and specifically the NBA. A bloc is similar to an NBA team. It would be great to have 5 extremely agile and tall players that can all play the point, shooting guard, small forward, power forward, and center, but players like that simply don't exist. You get yourself some solid bigs (Umbrella/NG), small versatile forwards/shooting guards (VE/FOK), and a great point guard (GOONS) that distributes the ball (tech) and you have yourself a solid lineup that makes a great team. GOONS brings plenty to the table and so do each of their PB/DH allies. I hate to compliment them because I do sorta hate them but their damn near a dream team.

[quote name='Starfox101' timestamp='1334431567' post='2953277'] So, GOONS doesn't have the backbone to finish the war? You need fresh nations? Really, in the long run that's really going to hurt you guys. The nations may have started superior, but if you were constantly filling their slots with 3 wars, and 15 million and tech, it wouldn't matter if they had a WRC, they would stand no chance. Not that I care much, but you're really putting off a persona that you like to beat up little guys, but when they hit back, you run for help. What happens when you can't run for help? [/quote] You're so adamant that GOONS is failing. Please list all the alliances currently in existence that could take down Kaskus/Mongols without having to rely on allies assuming of course the same scenario because Admin knows that most alliances would cave and offer up a white peace or lower reps just to get out of the Kaskus/Mongol cross hairs. Starfox, how would your past alliances fair?

[quote name='memoryproblems' timestamp='1334425312' post='2953223'] I don't think its high probability any-more, but I think NPO's behind is still sore enough that they aren't taking chances. And beyond that, [b]I think NPO is careful to stay on a certian track and not allow anything to possibly threaten to draw them to the wrong side of a war (not that they would let it happen anyway.)[/b] [/quote] (see bolded) - as opposed to alliances that like taking the wrong path so they are possibly threatened and drawn to the wrong side of a war.

[quote name='Roquentin' timestamp='1334387957' post='2952913'] I don't really understand. Was it over the CSN PIAT? [/quote] Not sure if it was over that treaty but there is another treaty that pissed off the Body Republic when I was there. It's pretty much the fact that the alliances have split to the point where the treaty is no longer justified. Pacifica is better off without Invicta.

Dude, you are not an alliance. An alliance by definition requires at least 2 entities. You are in effect a rogue and a useless one. Your 176.580 NS...$%&@ why am I even posting in this !@#$ thread

[quote name='Starfox101' timestamp='1334422762' post='2953191'] Kaskus and Mongols have 12 WRC's, and GOONS have 12. GOONS has five times the NS and membership, not to mention all the war aid they could need. I don't see how that would require calling in a bloc treaty, unless you are incredibly inefficient at fighting. You start a war, you better finish it, not run to activate a bloc treaty. That's a quick way to make enemies and lose any and all reputation as a warrior alliance. As we all know, GOONS have many enemies, and you've given them ammo in a PR war, and have made just about nobody afraid of your battlefield strength. Not just a war embarrassment, but a PR embarrassment as well. It's not like I'm anti-GOONS either, I like those guys. [/quote] Calling in a bloc treaty especially the bloc that was called in...it is a great luxury that many alliances would love to have. GOONS has many enemies for sure but don't be naive to think that there will be alliances knocking at their door to take them down because of this war. No alliance is strong alone. GOONS battlefield strength will be what it has always been and many alliances can match them on the battlefield, but only a handful can match them when it comes to political strength and those few are allied to them. I don't see what GOONS should be embarrassed about here; I agree to disagree with you.

[quote name='Starfox101' timestamp='1334420773' post='2953174'] That's pretty bad. Having to activate a bloc treaty to fight off two miniscule alliances. Who is Minister of Defense over there at GOONS? If you are gonna piss off small alliances, at least be able to defeat them alone. I mean, come on. This has to be embarrassing. I'm embarrassed for you. [/quote] Miniscule? There are quite a few Kaskus nations with WRCs and most likely sufficient war chests. It's ignorant to view them as up start alliances with no wonders; they are not. I said it before and I will say it again: Many alliances would have the same trouble defeating Kaskus and Mongols.

[quote name='WarriorConcept' timestamp='1334415600' post='2953143'] Miscommunication happens to us all, but thanks for the elaboration. Hope to see this conflict end soon with an amicable agreement. If anything, you've gained my respect for your tenacity to stick to what you believe. [/quote] Rather than punishing them with reparations maybe it would be wiser to make them your friends. As Omni stated before, this war could end immediately by simply lowering the reparations. Lowering the reps should not be seen as GOONS/PB losing. Lowering the reps is the means to the goal of PBs entrance - end the war. GOONS will rebuild with 180mil reps or with 50mil reps. Neither amount will cover the losses taken by VE nations. Ending the war now by lowering the reps will save VE and others millions more than being stubborn about the reps simply so that GOONS can have their reps.

I don't see the problem with GOONS calling in its allies. Many people throwing criticism and ridicule at GOONS are in alliances that would have the same problems if Kaskus and Mongols were to go up against them. Kaskus and Mongols are not incompetent. Painting them as such or pointing to the small membership size they have is an ignorant observation. If you feel your alliance can defeat Kaskus and Mongols by itself, then step up and raid them after their current war is over and prove that you can defeat them on your own or please shut up.

[quote name='Roquentin' timestamp='1333770558' post='2949452'] Not that, but the why. [/quote] Jumping from one side of the web to the other for improved security. C'mon Roq it's not that hard to see.

14,614 is alot of people. The problem is 99% are not active here on the forum. Many are not active nation builders in terms of selling tech and getting in trade circles and learning how to nation build. Many think they can build on their own way and still build a powerful nation. After months they realize they'll never catch up doing it their way so they quit. The problem is actually the game and the somewhat tediousness of nation building and how long it takes. Recruiting thousands won't make the game less dead. By ratio or percentage the game will be equally dead with 29,228 as it is now with 14,614.

Government full of alliance hoppers. This will end well. Good luck anyway.