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[quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1296792916' post='2618815'] It would be hypocrisy if MK refused to believe the TPF nations we engaged with were a part of the TPF AA, and were in fact rogues. Note how this is not the case. You need to stop using words you don't understand. [/quote] Nice dodge. Laughable to anyone who didn't want to be willfully ignorant of my point, but it's a good dodge given the corner you're in with your fools' logic.

[quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1296792449' post='2618788'] No, i'm saying that we have recognised ML's hostilities because 1) they are attacking us directly and 2) they refuse to acknowledge this fact. It helps if you read the replies. [/quote] Again your hypocrisy shines through. You rail against ML for "refusing to acknowledge" their war, but you've spent this whole thread trying to avoid acknowledging that you initiated war against TPF. [quote]The way you don't respond to my point and instead just fit my response to fit your conspiracy theory is truly fascinating. [/quote] Peace mode or not, you're still at war with an alliance. The idea that peace mode nations means that a war against an alliance somehow doesn't count as a war is simply bonkers.

[quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1296791556' post='2618752'] Oh god, now you're pulling a ML. "Here is what MK needs to do to prove to me that they are at war. Their opinion is irrelevant." [/quote] You're holding a double standard. you're saying that MK did not have to declare war on TPF because the war is "assumed," which by the way is an extremely incorrect statement, but Molon Labe had to declare war on you, hence this "Recognition of Hostilities." But establishing that fact is simply backtracking. What you have to acknowledge for any of this to make sense is that you declared a war on TPF, and thus it is the obligation of all TPF treaty partners to respond in kind, barring any non-chaining clauses. [quote]Peacemode is relevant because we can't attack them, so there's no point in posting anything. [/quote] That's just a ridiculous argument. You're simply trying to weasel out of the fact that MK initiated war against TPF, giving Molon Labe the obligation to respond

[quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1296791094' post='2618731'] lmao, how is your tin foil there? Whose it going to bring in, TPF? [/quote] Right, you have [i]no idea[/i] TPF is tied to Duckroll and TOOL

[quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1296790662' post='2618704'] Our alliance was effectively at war with TPF as soon as they attacked GOONS. [/quote] That's where you're wrong. Unloess you merged with GOONS in some odd split-AA fashion, all you have is a treaty with them. A treaty means that once an alliance declares you your ally, you declare war on your ally's attacker in return. It does not mean that you are automatically at war with your ally's attacker. Also, I don't see why you think peace mode is relevant. Peace mode, for the purposes of this argument, means absolutely nothing. It's a strawman if I've ever seen one.

[quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1296790548' post='2618696'] 1) MK/Umbrella/GOONS/FAN [b]declare on[/b] NPO (aggressively) 2) TPF [b]declares on[/b] GOONS (defensively) 3) MK/Umbrella attack TPF ([b]inconspicuously[/b]) 4) ML attacks MK/Umbrella (defensively) [/quote] I fixed this for you. Quit acting like you didn't purposefully neglect declaring this war to avoid bringing more alliances in.

[quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1296790203' post='2618673'] If there are any nations in our range in TPF, then of course we're at war with them. The only reason this hasn't been acknowledged is because TPF (and the rest of the NPO and NPO's ally's) upper tiers are hiding from us in PM. [/quote] That's your excuse now? A good one for shooting from the hip with excuses, but nontheless a poor one. You declared wars without actually declaring an alliance war. That means your members were rogues unless your government are actually willing to declare war on TPF. Otherwise, it's an aggressive attack on Molon Labe. You're the aggressors either way.

[quote name='WCaesarD' timestamp='1296790151' post='2618669'] You're doing no such thing until we see some admission from you stating you were engaged in a war with tpf prior to all of this, regardless of the size of the engagement. [/quote] This man speaks the truth. I love how they won't actually declare their aggressive war, but when they're taking a "defensive action," they don't mind "cluttering the forums."

[quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1296789684' post='2618643'] xfd. ITT, ML should be the one telling MK who on their AA are members and who aren't. Of course they're defending their treaty partner, and that is why we have recognised a state of war with them. [/quote] So then you recognize that you have declared an aggressive war on TPF as well?

I still don't see a declaration of war against the Phoenix Federation. If you have not declared an aggressive war on TPF, then Molon Labe is correct in retaliating to the rogue efforts of some of your alliance members. However, if you, as the OP implies, fought an undeclared war against TPF but did not announce it to avoid "cluttering the forum," then Molon Labe is simply retaliating in the name of its treaty partner. Either way, Molon Labe is in the right here, and either way you deserve retaliation from the allies of TPF and/or ML. Good luck

[quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1296085267' post='2603555'] Lol, no. Really. Nobody is the slightest bit afraid of NPO. [/quote] If Doomhouse were not afraid, they would not have complained when we had not yet entered this war, and this hasty war declaration would not have happened. [quote]I don't remember having an excuse to attack you. I'm pretty sure you people have been crying floods because we didn't actually.[/quote] You may want to check your reading there and make another attempt at a rebuttal.

I enjoyed reading this, though it was hardly the caliber of humor I've come to expect out of an mpol announcement, which is highly disappointing. Even more, I enjoy watching both FAN and Doomhouse ignore the real reason they wish to drive Pacifica to disbandment: You [i]fear[/i] us. Yes, the idea that Pacifica could survive Karma, pay crippling reps for over a year, and still come back with strong allies and a strong will strikes fear into the hearts of those who know they will be on Pacifica's hit list once the Order rises again. Then, once an excuse to take down the Order again appeared to be slipping by, you, realizing you may never get the chance again, listened to your fears and attacked us. Of course, I did not say you fear us without reason. In fact, you have all the reason in the world to fear the New Pacific Order. You have driven the Order down once, and the Order rose again, and I think you all realize that you will [i]never[/i] destroy the Order, and the very thought of that makes your skin raise and your breath shorten. Yes, be afraid enemies of the Order, for you shall have your turn once again.

Congrats on the move, Brown is an impossible sphere to deal with, but I can say you tried valiantly to take on the challenge. Also $%&@ you for the topic title.

[quote name='Crymson' timestamp='1295662654' post='2590319'] Convenient. [/quote] At first I found your posts dedicated toward defending Impero's outright aggressive action and blatant lie shocking, but then I realized you're politically forced to at this point. You want to obey the side that has graciously accepted you and offered you a spot on the winning coalition of future wars, but on the other hand your alliance in the past has not been the war-mongering type; if anything, you've been accused of being a moralist peace-monger, such as when you helped IRON achieve their peace following Karma. So, the CB for this war has been fabricated, and the war is against what your alliance stands for, but admin forbid that you bite the hand that feeds you by not showing MK's jubilance for the war. I'd hate to be in your position right now. Just remember that further obedience is the best way out. Onward, Mushdoxia!

Well, I suppose [i]something[/i] had to be done. As someone who recently tried to "do something about it" himself, I congratulate Lennox on a [img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qgggS33AbAA/TOiA9XR0WlI/AAAAAAAAAzM/hrc_pgrXVoY/s400/bush-mission-accomplished.jpg[/img]

Zog had a blog? /me looks You !@#$%^&, Misr

What is this in reference to?

Well this is cute. Quite brave of you, I must say Onward, Dutchmen!

The Lennox War

[quote name='Professor Chaos' timestamp='1295324581' post='2580006'] Does this mean Lolar is expecting tensions to rise to nuclear weapons being fired? Are you guys planning on first-strike nuking? [/quote] All attempts to respond to propaganda in this thread should be in the form of [b][i][size="5"][color="#FF0000"]MOAR PROPAGANDA[/color][/size][/i][/b]

[quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1295232040' post='2578085'] You really need to think about these terms before you use them. We support Anarch because we like him and because we find his OP to be rather funny. If we wanted to attack you ourselves, we would [note: we aren't]. You seem to have some trouble understanding that Anarch is not synonymous with the Mushroom Kingdom. He has resigned from our alliance. Yes, he is still on our AA, but as can be seen from his war screen, we are trying to remove him through the Culture Department's Ghost busting effort. We do not believe we are taking aggressive actions against the Order as Anarch is not in the Mushroom Kingdom. He is a rogue who is attacking your emperor corath. We don't really care about your 'style points' because, to be honest, your order lost relevancy two years ago with Karma. For much of the CN community, you're a joke, this thread and Anarch's actions are a result of this. He is attacking SirPaul because of his pleas for attention as "king of the mushroom kingdom" and he is attacking Corath as a part of this same joke. It isn't some MK plot against the NPO, just as it isn't a plot against the SOS Brigade [I can only assume he attacked Locke because he's particularly annoying]. Any support for Anarch is because he is a long term member of the greater Mushroom Kingdom community and stems from friendship he has with our alliance. We are sad to see him go, and we support him here, and in other realms. [/quote] That's quite the tangent, though you didn't really quite capture the content to my post, nor did you respond to it. I appreciate the point you're trying to make, with the exception, of course, of the glaring inaccuracies, but you could've tried to format this in some way other than as a "reply" to my post, as that is quite misleading to a reader and could skew the points you are trying to make.

[quote name='Lord of Destruction' timestamp='1295229909' post='2578036'] Surely, if you weren't a paper tiger, the Order would have attacked MK by now. Pacifica has attacked alliances for much, much less, and the fact that they're not acting on this, a more "solid" CB, as well as apparently supported by some of the public, than the ones they've had in the past, shows that the Order is the one that is scared, not the Kingdom. [/quote] If you'd like to take such a route with your logic, why not say the same thing of the Kingdom? From this thread it is obvious you embrace any military action by a "third party," as you have claimed Anarchy to be, yet what prevents you from taking such action yourselves? As the professed leader of the "New Hegemony," why would you doubt your ability to vanquish our humbly connected alliance? I believe you and I both know the answer to all of these questions, and you can be sure the answers amuse me as much as they frustrate you. Additionally, though you may believe you are taking aggressive actions against the Order, nothing new of value has been discovered in this thread. Some particular alliances will never release their dreams for Pacifican destruction? Some nations like to go rogue on the Pacifican Emperor for CN "style points?" These aren't Mushroom Kingdom inventions; these are obstacles through which Pacifica continues to thrive, despite your best efforts. I wish you luck in your future endeavors, but this one is clearly a failure on your part.

[quote name='Cager' timestamp='1295227380' post='2577955'] I haven't feared Pacifica after serving for 2+ years in the alliance. [/quote] Actions speak louder than words. I see fear in your actions, even if you do not express fear in your words.

[quote name='Cager' timestamp='1295224753' post='2577896'] Just because half of your alliance members can't FIND this thread let alone contribute to it doesn't mean our members are the same way. [/quote] Trite; I always thought the "your members just keep their heads down and follow orders" remark was worn out by 2009. Surely if we were only a "paper tiger," you would not fear us to the extent that you do. Of course, this prompted me to post this simply to state that I, aside from certainly being able to find the OWF, legitimately find the OP and following comments ot be quite humorous, albeit maybe for different reasons than certain MK members find this topic funny.

Also, NSO already tried to fill this role, and they did quite well for a while.