Rebounder

If you'd really like a challenge, and for people to "come at you," I invite you to join the Reformation. I assure you, people will come at you, bro.

If you're in need of a guest, I'll gladly step out of my bunker for a minute or two to give you a report from the heart of the rebellion.

[quote name='Krunk the Great' timestamp='1291316902' post='2528122'] Its not really that he's fighting you. More like he's fighting 4 nations and he sucks in general. the only way he could suck more is if he had attacked three nations. MK has nothing to do with his failure. [/quote] I haven't been too concerned with the war effort; I haven't even bothered to buy up CMs because, realistically, they probably do like $5 of damage at this level. However, every other update I am able to win ~8 ground battles from the guy I attacked and from the guy who has the nukes (which are definitely doing less monetary damage than they cost to buy), but the other two were well out of my attack range when they hit me, so hitting them with ground battles is just a waste of a million. But please, I've pulled this whole "Obviously everybody but me sucks at war" act enough times to know half the people who do it cannot back it up with any great surprising military feat, so if you've never done anything worth gloating about, or invented new strategies for war on the individual or alliance level, you're really just talking !@#$. Also, I've had at least eight spying attempts so far, some of which were to destroy cruise missiles, and the rest to gather intelligence. Really, MK, spending what must now be two million (plus the cost of the $100,000 dead spies I've caused) on a 2k ns nation? If you think I'm not putting up a good fight, realize just today at least 3-4 million was either dropped on me through air/CM/spy attacks or given to me in lost ground battles (there's at least two every day), so the amount of money they're spending on me could easily rebuild my nation several times over.

[quote name='Kevin McDonald' timestamp='1291184757' post='2527115'] Sovereign Dixie/Imperial Cydonia/Ian Miller - First person I ever got drunk with over IRC. That summer of 2008 was excellent, we shall have to do it again. [/quote] He's still around, that man? Also since when are you not in Corp?

[quote name='caligula' timestamp='1291194581' post='2527183'] But back to the justification of unprovoked force against sovereign nations with no regard for real politik. You can change things, sure, no one's denying that. You aren't going to change them, or if you do even a little, nearly or profoundly as much than if you applied yourselves. But given the depth of the politics, you'll have to play within the rules of the system if you want a piece of it. I have faith in you. You're better than this. [/quote] I'm assuming this part of the post shifted from R3nowned to me? I realize I can't change things now, but I'm incredibly impatient, and I'd rather speak my mind at all times than play by the rules for even an instant, but surely you knew that already?

[quote name='Ironfist' timestamp='1291181270' post='2527070'] Am I new? Alright then. And yes, I did. We have different opinions on different alliances. What of it? [/quote] Your nation is 545 days old? How could you defend an alliance that has canceled two eternal treaties and ignored countless others as "honoring treaties?" That's not a difference of opinion, that's willful ignorance on your part.

[quote name='Ironfist' timestamp='1291179347' post='2527045'] And yet when GPA live how "they want to live", people abuse them. Size doesn't even matter when dealing with alliances. There are deadweights in many alliances, because not every alliance is Umbrella. It's about honouring treaties and playing by your own rules. I agree with the above completely. The alliances who like to pretend they're the next saviours and then sit in their corner drawing petty sketches and "plans" that lead to the frustration that is shared on this world. [/quote] Did you just use the term "honoring treaties" to defend MHA? Are you new?

[quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1291155825' post='2526772'] MHA are fine. Sure, they don't do much, but that's how they want to live. They've made it clear where they stand and want to be. If you want to throw blame, look to alliances who claim to want to influence the world, and don't. Your bile is misdirected. [/quote] Oh make no mistake, those alliances already get their fair share of bile from me.

[quote name='caligula' timestamp='1291144559' post='2526638'] Using your own argument, if MHA is a paper tiger then it can't be blamed for stagnation. At all. [/quote] Myth, you guys need to realize you're the biggest alliance now, and it's y'all's fault that you show no leadership. If you had any sense of leadership, you'd be a rallying point for a separate faction in the game, outside of the PB-centered web. Since you choose instead to follow, you are the biggest contributor to the treaty web, since you are a large henchman.

[quote name='TrotskysRevenge' timestamp='1291149456' post='2526704'] My bad. I apologize for my misinformation. That's a good thing if you are out of the treaty web; I wish more alliances would do the same. Then we might actually have the possibility of war and some good fun, which I believe is the point of any game. [/quote] Don't be so quick to throw out the idea that a treaty or two could revitalize the game, Moo. I bet if the OoO came back, there might be some more fun in order.

[quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1291080859' post='2526151'] Look at my post, and tell me where I said MHA were. [/quote] You implied that larger alliances would generate more drama, to which he provided a prime counterexample. Poor show. Anyway, small alliances certainly have their roles, just look at how some of the greatest wars have started in the past. I'm not sure how, but a small alliance can still get under the skin of a large one. In fact, I recall NPO having to shut down at least one or two small alliances because they were plotting the Order's downfall.

[quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1291066491' post='2526016'] Well, yes I think you did. If you didn't expect others to join you, you wouldn't have asked them to do so. In fact, someone did join you after you convinced them to do so in this very thread, so kindly cut the crap. [/quote] Well, you flatter me, but to be honest Aimee's joining of the Reformation was simply a pleasant surprise, and though I am glad to be in the AA with more than one person now, I honestly expected to be going at this alone. [quote]You've actually highlighted exactly why we think you're a complete joke in this paragraph. Yes, you are technically 'doing something about it,' but as you've pointed out, it's completely ineffective. This is why we're on top, because the opposition is so complete devoid of imagination that the only way we can 'fall' is through our own actions. This is a forum where alliances meet to discuss world events, it is alliance centred politics. And here you are, trying to convince [i]individual[/i] nations to stand up and fight. You are, in short [doin it rong]. If you issue is with alliance leaders who don't stand up to those you apparently despise, then this complete and utter failure (it's like a tech raid target putting himself on a target list) is hardly likely to inspire them. [/quote] You are right, maybe leaders will be uninspired, but if I do not try to show them the way to a better future in CN, then I am a hypocrite who has no room to speak out for what he believes in. I may not be the biggest success, and you may have never heard of me, but I have never been, nor will I ever be, a coward, a hypocrite, or two-faced, and as long as I can honestly claim that, I am perfectly satisfied with who I am on Planet Bob.

[quote name='Ironfist' timestamp='1291011187' post='2525728'] There is no point to this game. It's about politics. Let me ask you this. If GATO suddenly decided they'd be the next hegemony (feel free to laugh, haters), then what about our allies? Do they also become the next hegemony? Obviously the answer is yes. And yet, the way the treaty web is set up, everyone would indirectly/directly become the new hegemony, thus cancelling out the point of a hegemony. So where to next? Doesn't that kind of reiterate the point that the treaty web is to blame for the political stagnation? [/quote] Yes, the game* is about politics, but what is the goal of politics except to obtain power? Also, your situation assumes GATO is the only alliance with ambition, and you re right in that whenever only one alliance has ambition, that alliance has a good chance of being the leader of either the hegemony or of their little corner of the treaty web. However, if all other alliances were ambitious, and GATO seized control, some alliances would resist, wouldn't they? [size="1"]*"game" is a figurative term for foreign policy on Bob, not an implication that the world in which we live is literally non-existent, for obvious reasons. [/size]

[quote name='flak attack' timestamp='1291059799' post='2525971'] Perturbed? You don't even have nukes. You're literally a tech raid to us. [/quote] There have been countless topics in which people have voiced their discontent regarding the current hegemonic structure, yet I have made a multi-page thread without making any new points. I have drawn attention to the woes of Bob, and I will continue to do so until things change. Say hello to the newest thorn in your side, Hegemony. [quote]Would you prehaps care to divulge any of these "cowardly decisions" or does simply saying it enough times just make them so? Every alliance has made bad decisions in the past, are making them right now and will do so in the future. Many other alliances are also as quite and will work in the background like us, is there a reason we have been singled out by your esteemed self?[/quote] I was there to help you desert NPO. You hung on until it was certain Karma was the winning side, at which point you facilitated a switch. You're not fooling anybody.

[quote name='Ironfist' timestamp='1291010595' post='2525718'] So every alliance should try to be the next hegemony? [/quote] Yes, that's the point, isn't it?

Countless threads have been made recently, all of them trying to discover the truth as to what's making Bob so horribly stagnated. Most of the time, the collective society of CN is blamed, especially the "MDP Web," that allegedly renders war to be a suicidal endeavor. However, the answer is much simpler, and it rests on the individual level. The reason the world currently rots stagnantly, like a pond of water, is because there are few ambitious individuals left here. We spend too much time focused on surviving and forget that ultimate power should be the goal of our lives on Bob. To me, it is simply baffling that alliance leaders could lack the ambition to want to be the "global hegemon." If you are a leader of your alliance, how did you become a leader? If I had to guess, in most situations, the leader of an alliance had to work hard in one or multiple departments of the alliance, and usually either outshine an incumbent leader or gain enough loyalty from the senior members of the alliance to justify the "top dog" position. So, alliance leaders, I ask you, why would you abandon your ambition once you reached the top of your alliance? It simply makes no sense. This is my call to the leaders of all the alliances on Bob: ask yourself the simple question, "what can I do to make my alliance more powerful?" If that includes making a new bloc to solidify you and your loose coalition of "allies" together, go ahead and do it, without giving a damn as to whether or not your enemies will like it. If that means trying to politically isolate some alliance that wants your alliance destroyed, don't be afraid to get your hands dirty a little bit. Hell, if you have to bait your enemies into making dumb moves, or if you have to do a thing or two that [i]could[/i] get you in trouble with the rest of the world, what do you have to lose? If you remain content with simply surviving right now when you could be increasing your influence, you're losing precious time. You cannot advance unless you take the initiative. This call does not pertain only to alliance "out of the loop" in the current "hegemony." There is no alliance right now so powerful it does not need to advance itself. Is your alliance currently sitting comfortably, but your power is eclipsed by another influential one? Start ousting that other alliance, it'll give you more power. Are you currently very powerful in statistics, but you're subservient to a group of smaller fries? Emancipate yourselves, for Pete's sakes, and strike out on your own. This pond is going to continue to stink until somebody stirs it up a little. I need [i]you[/i] to help make a difference. Now go do something. Right now. Do it.

[quote name='Mathias' timestamp='1291000751' post='2525626'] There was no reason for GATO not to sanction you, and yes I saw the reasons you gave in the other post. Sanctioning a nation on the request of another alliance is a courtesy most would extend in the hopes that if they ever need the favor returned, it will be. But of course a self important jackass like you has to make a big deal out of it and "Declare War on GATO" because of their egregious "act of war." You're nothing but a routine rogue, and that calls for routine procedure to be followed. [/quote] The extent to which you're not getting Aimee's point is baffling, hilarious, and yet depressing all at once. She did not "declare war on GATO," she simply said that GATO sanctioned her, which is a hostile act, so hostilities exist between her and GATO. She did not say she didn't expect them to sanction her, and she did not say she was going to somehow defeat GATO. That's about all there is to it. But I love how MK, MHA, and GATO have simply come into this thread, quite perturbed about being rogued on, to gloat about how they are beating us. Do you really I expected anyone to join the "Reformation" AA and wage war on a structureless Hegemony? Do you really think either of us expected to visibly hurt your stats, especially with my nukeless nation? That isn't the point here at all. Personally, I am drawing attention to the fact that without individual action, the world will never change from its current dreadful state, and I am also simply saying that I'm tired of everyone telling one another to "do something about it," and simply that statement makes alliance leaders cower in fear, although together we all can "do something about it." However, you seemed to have missed the point, and for that, I feel sorry for you.

[quote name='The MVP' timestamp='1290884863' post='2524698'] I often talk to people on the other "side" of the treaty web, and it's pretty interesting what I hear from back and forth discussion. Let's just deal with the elephant in the room here and get some facts out of the way: 1. We don't want a war based on OOC reasons, that would be awful and this point is mainly just to keep this topic in the OWF rather than World Affaris. 2. Only one side exists, let's just admit this. Are there alliances waiting to deal with the side that does exist when the chance arises? Yes and although they're a loose conglomerate of alliances who dislike each other more than you think, *ahem* alliances asking that "side" to do something about it *ahem*, it'll take something strong to get them to come together again for a true cause. Losing two straight wars, both due to bad decisions by an alliance dictating the war efforts has left most of us worn out. 3. We're going to need outside help to take down the current.. "hegemony". It's not like MK got its revenge from just CnG helping them, other alliances jumped in to that was previously allied to the, what was, hegemony. Now let me discuss point #2. Right now most alliances who got battered the past two wars are still rebuilding, yes still! And some are even under peace terms. So there's not much maneuverability given to them. They're stuck and many believe that to get another war happening these alliances need to make a full recovery. Guess what? It'll take a lot of time unless of course... Point #3 happens. People become fed up with the current hegemony and many decide to break free against them. For the first time in a long time many alliances questioned MK and it appeared that shenanigans from a certain party can only go so far. (Btw thanks MK for at least [i]trying[/i] to get something going) which means there is hope. It's quite obvious Pandora's Box isn't fracturing any time soon and MK seems to be tied quite closely to them, at least I think. So it'll be the job of the periphery alliances to make their move and challenge the current people who wield the most power. It's obvious but next time you decide to whine and complain consider all the above. Obviously what many strive for despite our own calls for "moralism" or whatever made up thing we parade around here we want a war that benefits all sides in terms of fun. This isn't as easy as it used to be due to all the variables to consider instead of a few. There was a time when Pacifica was firmly dominating the game that some felt that no GW would ever be had again and that it's done. Yet those that knew that it was only a matter of time got the last laugh. Another GW will happen again but it may take more time than originally due to the outbreak of outright destructing wars that left some absolutely decimated to recover. And when they do, it'll only become more predictable what the course of action will be. Diplomacy is no longer worth it if both sides believe they have a shot at taking the other out. [/quote] If you get tired of waiting for any of this to happen, you're a perfect candidate for the Reformation,

[quote name='Ninja gumby' timestamp='1290898099' post='2524842'] His slots are full with MHA attacks anyway. [/quote] Oh well, aren't you impressive; you filled one nation's slots. Generally, nobody uses that as a gloating point, but I guess MHA just needs something to feel good about once in a while. Your government is incompetent, your influence is non-existent, you should just pack it in with or without a "Reformation." At least MK is a respectable hegemon.

[quote name='Antoine Roquentin' timestamp='1290844319' post='2524499'] I would consider AvengingAngel more authoritative on the activity subject than anyone else who has posted and MHA gets too much flak for no real reason. Of course there are always be some mistakes made military-wise regardless of the alliance. That being said, have fun MK/MHA, even though no nukes are involved. [/quote] That's not why MHA ges most of its flak. Currently, it is the most powerful alliance, stat-wise, in existence. What do they do with their massive size? They only survive contentedly, perfectly happy to be henchmen to whoever is the "hegemon"at the time. They're some of the worst culprits because they give the most powerful alliances (as far as influence, that is) their power, leading to the putrid stagnation that the Reformation seeks to destroy.

[quote name='AvengingAngel256' timestamp='1290837263' post='2524440'] times change. How long ago were you a member, I don't remember you at all, did you ever do anything in mha? [/quote] Not much, just a secretary in a few departments. There are active members, but there's no ambition there anymore.

[quote name='Ninja gumby' timestamp='1290823025' post='2524260'] thats what you think. You've just never made us angry. . . til now. [/quote] It's not just what I think. I was a member of your alliance for a while.

Oh yes now is probably a good time to invite everybody to hang out in #reformation, the heart of the rebellion.

[quote name='flak attack' timestamp='1290810652' post='2524109'] You do realize we have people looking for nations like yours to raid? You just saved our guys the trouble of looking. [/quote] Well, you've taken five tech and dropped over 4 million on the battlefield. Congrats on the successful raid.

[quote name='Mr Damsky' timestamp='1290810053' post='2524102'] What's so funny about it? You sat in an alliance that, along with you, didn't do anything at all. You really have no place to complain, those that don't do anything shouldn't complain that nothing is going on. So yeah, congrats after 135 days, finally doing something, Mr. 27k casualties. Edit: Jesus H. you literally have 27k casualties. Get out of here. [/quote] Thank you for your congratulations. So you do admit that, despite previous lacks of effort, I am now actually doing [i]something[/i]? Also, I've been around here for well over 3 years now. I miss my old hundreds of thousands of casualties