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[quote name='Locke' timestamp='1299027619' post='2648858'] If you were there, you would know why it would need a fair bit of editing. [/quote] My curiosity. It is piqued

Man, that's bad

I chuckled and tried to reply two days ago, but the forums said my "authorization" didn't match up

[quote name='bigwoody' timestamp='1297033259' post='2622805'] I think the pastry was alluding to the fact that you have no idea what you actually stand for, and that you hold multiple contradictory positions. This is why you fail. [/quote] Defending allies, independence, and multipolarity are contradictory positions? Is that your excuse for standing for none of them?

[quote name='Delta1212' timestamp='1297032546' post='2622787'] So... Are you standing for Independence, Multi-polarity or Defending Allies? [/quote] Yes [quote name='MCRABT' timestamp='1297032668' post='2622791'] Oh dear you are a lost cause. Is it better that I leave my members blissfully unaware of its governments intentions? I laid out our intentions to our members from the get go and I am baffled as to where your indignation for this decision stems from. The fact that you have omitted a rather sizeable chunk of my post which puts the context of which that decision was made and where it would apply suggests you either don't have it or realise it would show you up as a twit. That level of comprehension is probably beyond you so I am going to go with option 1. I might add that None of our allies have been attacked to defend so stop your gibberish. [/quote] The context of the rest of the post doesn't change anything, but I feel that putting up the entire screenshot would endanger my comrades who are doing the toughest work at the moment, and I won't do that just because you dare me to. I'm a little smarter than that.

[quote name='bigwoody' timestamp='1297032014' post='2622771'] Again, you miss the point. You are mistaking a lack of desire to chain in to defend the Orders for cowardice. [/quote] I'm not asking you to defend the Order; I'm asking you to defend your allies, yet you willfully ignore that

[quote name='MCRABT' timestamp='1297031623' post='2622759'] Well lets not pretend this is something it is not. You are certainly not doing this for the sake of "morality" or "the greater good". You are doing it to be a pain in the neck for !@#$% and giggles because you simply do not like us. You really are nothing more than a minor inconvenience and that is all you can aspire to be. [/quote] I never really held anything against IRON before this war, but to announce to your members that they can expect neutrality at the onset of a war is rather telling And thank you for calling me an inconvenience. That's all I hope to be.

[quote name='The Warrior' timestamp='1297026344' post='2622617'] There it is. It was clear that your motivation was entirely personal when you claimed that multi-polar politicking was non-existent on Planet Bob and then decided to target a group of alliances who have chosen independence and neutrality and actually represented another polar on this planet. [/quote] You flatter yourself

[quote name='bigwoody' timestamp='1297029003' post='2622675'] Keep in mind that Pacifica has pretty much openly stated that the main reason they want to see us enter the war is to see us burn. [/quote] You're a terrible psychologist, or mind-reader, or whatever you're trying to be. If you think I have that kind of relationship with Pacifica at the moment, you haven't read this topic. Also, take a look at the numbers. Entering this war at this point would not mean you "burn." However, the fact that you're too cowardly to even take that chance says a lot about the future of Duckroll as a political entity.

[quote name='bigwoody' timestamp='1297018094' post='2622390'] Now, Mr. Independence guy, what is your view on treaty chaining? [/quote] I would never watch an ally burn, regardless of what they'd done to get it. I suppose Duckroll doesn't have a "no man left behind" mentality.

[quote name='bigwoody' timestamp='1297016702' post='2622357'] I don't think there is a lot to know about you... And if you're referring to BiPolar, it isn't so much that we lost the war, it's more that we lost the war because another N_O alliance turned on us from within our very own coalition. This leads to intense dislike and certainly a lack of desire to come to the Orders' defense. Imagine that. [/quote] Lumping the Orders together? Terrible mistake in the modern political climate

[quote name='Johnny Apocalypse' timestamp='1297015995' post='2622340'] Still trying to start your own revolution I see. Very cute :3 [/quote] At this point, I'm just going to hold people responsible for actually reading a topic before they put in their worthless $.02.

[quote name='bigwoody' timestamp='1297015494' post='2622326'] Funny, when we all tried to figure out which side of the war to align to, the answer came out "neither". As for who will win the next war, what will the sides even be? Then again, given the alliance you hail from, independence in this world must be an unfamiliar concept. Rather, I think you're just a sore loser pining for the days where alliances ran to NPO's defense as a matter of course. [/quote] Quite off-base, you don't know my history as well as you think you do. However you did show that you're sore from the days you were expected to defend your allies, and you actually had to lose a war that one time. Imagine that.

The mere fact that NPO and allies required a completely separate declaration to enter the war completely disproves this. If there was any "this side, that side" mentality at all, NPO would have jumped into the war days after the initial declaration. Thus, they constitute two separate "mini-poles" that would stand quite well if it weren't for the massiveness of the DH-PB pole.

[quote name='bigwoody' timestamp='1296982835' post='2621885'] That's the thing. I have no idea what you're standing for. Not a damn clue. You're just spouting out meaningless platitudes like a kid who washed out of freshman Philosophy. [/quote] I stand for a feeling of independence only scarcely seen in Planet Bob. I'm standing against all the topics within alliances' forums titled "Which side do we align to? Which will win the next war?" [quote name='StevieG' timestamp='1296995022' post='2622002'] Actually, that would be good. We have some new recruits that wed like to get familiarized with the war mechanics. [/quote] Well then declare in defense of your allies

Realistically, I think the only way for this to be overcome would be by mutual venture. The other poles would have to agree to fight the DH/PB/CnG-dominant world, then agree to go their separate ways afterward. Of course, this wouldn't have to be as obvious, it could really just happen by proxy if all the poles would be roped into a curbstomp together. For instance, if Duckroll joined the current war on the Pacific/Polar sides, DH would be overwhelmed, and the splitup of themega-pole could occur through careful moves by the multi-poles.

I agree with just about everything Shantamantan said However, I disagree that the other "side" of DH-PB-CnG is simply a shamble. To the contrary, in the disjunction of the Pacific, Polar, and Duckroll alliance groups, I see a microcosm of the multipolarity that could exist in the future. Right now, NPO and Polaris have relations that are faulty at best, and neither alliance hopes to fix that, and Duckroll wants no part of either of them. Even though the three of them are surrounded and outmanned in war, they simply refuse to unite because they do not see themselves as the "other side." Rather, they value their independence as micro-poles in a world that was once unipolar. Imagine if the current "mega-pole" fractured, and the world fell into a multipolar society. I highly doubt any poles would be much larger than Duckroll or Polaris' immediate group of friends.

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1296943404' post='2620994'] [color="#0000FF"]You're going after Duckroll? Really? Any particular reason, because I don't really recall them doing much of anything lately. I'm not sure you've thought this out the whole way through.[/color] [/quote] Think beyond today, Rebel Virginia. I expect it from you

[quote name='bigwoody' timestamp='1296967256' post='2621300'] I think you just got bored and decided to do this without a plan, thinking that piggybacking on the Vox name would get you followers....or something. You don't have a plan because high-order thinking is beyond you. Seriously, when all sides of this war are mocking you, it should tell you something. [/quote] Have you looked around you? I take the fact that both sides think I'm doing something wrong to mean I'm doing something right Also, I'll reiterate that I'm not trying to reform Vox or create even a Vox-like movement. My motivations for this are entirely personal, and the name is for entirely personal reasons as well I suppose when you stand for nothing it's easy to misunderstand the motivations of a man who decides to stand for something.

[quote name='bigwoody' timestamp='1296954485' post='2621169'] I don't even... ...what? Honestly I read the whole thing and I don't even know what you're trying to accomplish. Can we have, like, a manifesto, or are you literally the worst political movement ever? [/quote] All in due time. Patience is a virtue.

Blame one person for this war. Choices are Impero, Dajobo, Lennox, and Rebel Virginia

[quote name='MCRABT' timestamp='1296916897' post='2620473'] A vox revival would be rather interesting. This is just embarrassing. [/quote] I've stated way too many times in this thread I'm not claiming to be a "Vox revival." That would be really dumb of me to try to do independently. But I am up for a few shenanigans. Hell, I have been since just before you made the post containing this [img]http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk71/tennisdachshund/Picture8.png?t=1296938512[/img]

[quote name='Haflinger' timestamp='1296932168' post='2620726'] (The hilarity of someone deserting NPO, who was attacked for being an uninvolved bystander, and then going and attacking someone else for the exact same thing is extreme.) [/quote] I actually haven't attacked Duckroll, as I'm continuing to help Pacifica in the fight against GOONS.

[quote name='NoFish' timestamp='1296896495' post='2620310'] I came to this thread expecting another VP [/quote] Did you really? Seeing as my thread title has no allusion to Vox, you really had no reason to believe that. Unless you go into every thread expecting a new Vox, but then you'd be disappointed a lot, and this would just be the ultimate tease.

[quote name='Merrie Melodies' timestamp='1296892754' post='2620275'] I have yet to see the practices of EZI, PZI, secret terms, viceroys, forced hidden rerolls amongst many others that were common before the Karma war. So yes, the endeavor was successful. Ponder this, Voxians are strewn through both sides of this conflict. [/quote] But you have still seen alliances politically paralyzed by fear, and you have seen alliances getting rolled for simply existing outside of the current "power structure." The fight isn't over until independence is no longer a crime.