Lorikz Kain

Correlation does not imply causation. Without any evidence you are merely pointing out one out of a thousand changes that have happened over the years and are asking alliance leaders to gamble others time and hard work on what is nothing more than a random guess :/ You need to come up with data that can prove a causal relation between the two before this can be anything more than a guess.

None of this matters when no one leaves me a target O.o

Congratz! I bought you a cake but I ate it...

Congrats on the... art? Treaty? Shenanigans? Whatever the case congratz to both parties!

This is a matter of diverging interests. NPO and IRON both have goals and aspirations they are reaching for and our treaty was founded on the fact that at the time it was mutually beneficial to work together to achieve said goals. We feel this is no longer the case thus make this separation now while personal relations are still good instead of letting issues pile up because we are using personal feelings to extend a treaty way past its political viability. While yes we do feel the wars end was less than ideal we do not blame NPO for that and in fact praise them for navigating the best they could in an all around shitty situation. As for the accusations of being a follower, I fail to understand how choosing not to follow someone makes one a follower so the only thing I can add to those statements is a giant resounding WTF?

So much awesome, good to see it made official

TOOL claims IRON Gov!!!!!!! also first

And this just happened.... Time to stock up my warchest again...

Number 1 sign EQ is full of infra-huggers: Most Alliance Casualties 491,844,517 Soldiers Lost - New Pacific Order 460,812,174 Soldiers Lost - Anarchy Inc. 447,469,146 Soldiers Lost - Independent Republic Of Orange Nations Only infra-huggers would get those kind of stats...

Wow, thats impressive. You can hear their fear before you guys have even started hitting them...

Nothing like a good reminder of what a fiendly place the OWF is. Lets see if I can distract the masses with a well placed button: http://www.instantsfun.es/dingdingdong

I for one would like to thank you and encourage you to keep posting. I now only have to come here for my joke of the day. That's one less website I have to deal with.

[quote name='jerdge' timestamp='1353542260' post='3055843'] As far as I can tell they are from TDO, The Brain and The Brain respectively. I am not sure who the one Lorikz Kain was talking of would be. [/quote] It seems I was wrong, I had thought http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=224996 joined GPA but it seems I was mistaken.

So much negativity and we are only 3 pages in? Man tough crowd today... Well I for one am an equal opportunity good lucker so I say to all parties good luck on your future endeavors. Never an easy move to make.

[quote name='Stewie' timestamp='1353336346' post='3054513'] Come to Non Grata, Caustics balls are everywhere [/quote] Aye, I can second that. Not my first choice for interior decoration but NG seems to make it work for them . [quote name='Crymson' timestamp='1353345086' post='3054543'] Those most afraid of a DR-DH war seem to be doing everything they can to make it more possible. [/quote] Or alliances are conducting business as usual and your seeing something that isn't there. Or, its all in preparation for the coming zombie apocalypse. Or, maybe their leaders have been taken over by imposters. Or maybe, they are just not close to BFF anymore. Or you have some knowledge that DH is planning to attack DR. I personally like the zombie apocalypse reason but your free to choose whatever, after all, its all speculation and assumptions at this point.

[quote name='Gopherbashi' timestamp='1353196753' post='3053897'] They've had 163k, 151k, and 101k nations join in the past two weeks. One came from TDO, couldn't tell you about the other two. [/quote] One was from IRON.

[quote name='glynman' timestamp='1352508470' post='3050645'] I haven't bothered to pay any mind to alliance politics for about a year and a half so have no idea what's going on here. Can someone tell me who the highest ranked neutral alliance is? I can see that my alliance, TDO, has slipped a bit since I was last here (when we were sanctioned), so I'm curious to see if any neutral is doing well. [/quote] GPA

Does GPA make a habit of announcing its military procedures to the public? Seems like a big time threat to security to announce what your military is doing to the public...

[quote name='Tank4ever' timestamp='1340305517' post='2992005'] All this proves is that IRON didnt give them enough time to go through the proper democratic process, so Sabcat was forced to go on their forums last minute & grab the first thing he saw related to the subject. Considering that out of the few people that did get to vote, even Hereno the co-writer, voted against it. That to me says it was just a "joke apology" not meant for outside eyes. Easily fixed with a conversation since both parties agree an attempt at communicating was made (doesnt matter when, the point is it was attempted & ignored by your govt) and maybe even a raise in reps, but I guess war is more fun. [/quote] So in other words you never wanted to publicly mock IRON, only in the safety and privacy of your home. Now i just feel silly, I apologize for my actions, had I known you were only going to talk about me behind my back and not to my face I never would have attacked you. That aside the time was an ultimatum from IRON to LSF to correct their mistakes. We weren't asking nicely, we were telling LSF what needed to be done for their mistakes to be forgiven in our eyes. instead of using this opportunity LSF made a mocking apology clearly stating they had no intention of owning up to their mistakes. This war was not caused by the mock apology, this war was caused by the recklessness of LSF's nation's actions.

[quote name='White Chocolate' timestamp='1340291466' post='2991842'] If not being able to meet the terms of a peace deal under 24 hours is proof that an alliance "clearly is incapable of governing its own members," there are MANY alliances potentially in that category. The problem is NOT the demands made, the problem is expecting them to be completed within such a short time frame. If IRON had waited for LSF to have gone through THEIR process of approving everything (respect is something earned, not automatically given JUST because you're the bigger alliance IRON) then I'm sure this would have come out fine. [/quote] The "clearly incapable of governing its own members" statement goes much deeper than just this. Its stated in regard to not being able to keep your nations from spying, impersonating government officials, inciting war, and well, these two quotes help my point I do believe: [quote name='Hereno' timestamp='1340298008' post='2991918'] Actually, this part isn't exactly true. Sabcat actually had no idea when he posted that that apology had that in it. [/quote] [quote name='Sabcat' timestamp='1340299404' post='2991941'] I still didn't know what it had in it when you told me to change it. [/quote] Seeing as they are supposed to be an apology from LSF and the one posting and representing LSF doesn't even know what is happening!? It sounds like you have some internal problems to take care of. But I'm sure you have already realized just how $%&@ed up your "internal process" you call government is, unless war and public humiliation is part of your process in which case I should applaud you for a most excellent job in accomplishing both of those.

[quote name='Anarquista' timestamp='1340261392' post='2991608'] first of all, i'm not insulting anyone nor have i ever, second, i'm not defending the individual members (which BTW never declared war on members of another alliance when they were in the LSF) if it's the individual members that did anything wrong, then they should take responsibility and like you said, own it however, i am defending the LSF, the LSF is being blamed for actions of a few, without respect for its own process (both internally and externally), and myself and others are working to bring back order and do what we have to in order to rectify the situation, the LSF will take responsibility for individual members actions if it needs to, but it must be able to work as it always has i also can't blame you powindahs for believing what you do, it has been a mess, but in order to fix it you must know the truth [/quote] The individual nations whether you like it or not represent LSF as a whole and as such LSF is accountable for the actions of the few (This happens IRL as well). Now to complain that IRON needed to respect your process after LSF not only openly disrespects IRON with the fake apology thread, but has also shown that it clearly is incapable of governing its own members is hypocritical and idiotic. That being said if you are truly working to rectify the situation then I bid you good luck and to please take all the time you need to find a solution. While LSF, as you put it, "works as it always has" IRON will be here working the way it always does, with nukes, cruise missiles, and you know just all of those really shinny toys.

[quote name='thedestro' timestamp='1293000058' post='2549650'] Yo Dark Fist & Co. I'm happy for ya and imma let you finish, but NEW just had the biggest gain OF ALL TIME! OF ALL TIME [/quote] lol, I'm lovin the reference

[quote name='Rotavele' timestamp='1292828072' post='2546107'] Whered FAN's Yellow Dot go? [/quote] yellow dot indicates 0 point change, it takes two consecutive 0 gains to equal 1 loss. Since they just gained the yellow dot is removed as their 0 point gain from the day before is irrelevant.

Hey i know you guys! Good luck with the alliance.

@heggo the one member spoke incorectly comment gamemaster said was spoken about one of our members saying we aided NSO a bunch when we hadn't doone so yet as it was still being organized. edited for clarity