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  4. Lord GVChamp

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    Why does the US need 11 carriers in the first place when no other country has more than two? What are those carriers doing in all of those places, just sailing around looking cool? Why is there an aircraft carrier helping in Japan? That's a very odd use of an aircraft carrier.

    In fact, why does the United States need to be present in any of these situations? Mind your own business.

    I know you're just trolling and all, but with a highly advanced military like the U.S. has, most of the work is maintenance. At any given time, roughly half of our ships are under maintenance. Aircraft take multiple hours of maintenance for every hour of flight time even if nothing breaks.

    Most countries don't HAVE to have many because WE have them. For example, Japan doesn't need 3 or 4 carriers because we have them.

    Aircraft carriers (along with the support ships) bring resources to bear and so it's not that odd to see one helping out Japan.

    As for having a presence in world affairs, that's what we do. We project power throughout the world to safeguard American (and allied) interests. We also conduct military operations fairly regularly with the same goal -- from bombings like you've seen recently in Libya to special operations missions you'll never hear about. It's what we do. Deal with it.

  5. Penkala

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    What I got from that little tantrum is that you didn't get your way, so you've decided to take your ball and go home.

    That's pretty much what I got too.

    Listen, Kingzog, as far as I see it you have 3 choices:

    1) Your allies really *are* in a bad place, at a stalemate, against NPO. And you're refusing to help them -- punishing your friends in a petty attempt to turn them against CSN.

    2) You lied, your allies are not in a bad place (Which, by the way, consensus from the DH members I discussed that with was that your statements are untrue and that they are doing just fine), and you were making it up in an attempt to make CSN look bad.

    3) In a period of a few days, DH somehow made a major breakthrough in the war and is now easily defeating NPO.

    Which is it? Please stop dancing, man up, and answer the question.

    You are free to believe what you want. As evidenced by previous discussions in which you've taken part, your opinions shift like the wind. Proven to be a bumbling dolt on one point, you'll move on to another. Once it happens enough times you return to your original point and magically forget that you've been made a fool of already.

    So please, continue.

    You can keep making these statements, but you've kind of got to prove them to get anybody to believe you. Where have my opinions shifted? Are you referring to the public condemnation of CSN's handling of the peace process with DT? I'd advise you to go talk to Goose, Gibs or Liz. All have heard my complaints for weeks now and suggestions for improvements in the handling of terms. If "weeks of saying the same thing over and over" equals "opinions shift[ing] like the wind" to you... well.. I guess I'll have to agree that by your definition my opinions have been shifting quite a bit!

    EDIT: I must say, though, that all of this attention directed at me, a former alliance leader who plays no role in deciding Nordreich's policies and has no authority whatsoever, is very good for my ego. I enjoy having it fed as much as the next person.

    You're the one who posted that load of crap about your allies needing your help pretty badly. You're the one who said Nordreich intended to provide that support. You're the one who named the obstacle standing in the way of that support as CSN. Now I'm asking you to justify your claims and explain why you are not acting if the need for your assistance is so urgent. From where I'm sitting, it looks as if you were either inventing the need for your assistance to make CSN look bad, or you are being petty and refusing assistance to your allies (who desperately need the assistance to end this war in a quick and efficient manner) to spite CSN. Which is it?

    Like I said before: Stop. Dancing. Answer the question. Why are you not supporting your allies if, as you claim, they need your help? Put away your ad hominem attacks and witty comebacks and answer the question. Or don't. Since we all know the answer already: DH didn't really need the help (you were lying about that), and you're not going to help them anyways (because you're petty and this is a way to try to pass blame off onto GOD through CSN.)

    Feel free to prove me wrong or explain your position. Otherwise, don't bother responding. Because it's pretty clear that you're dancing around the question here to avoid giving a straight answer. That makes you look bad, and people normally only do that if telling the truth will make them look worse.

  6. Penkala

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    You're not getting an answer from me because you're not entitled to one. It really is that simple. Ask a thousand times and, unlike your answer to numerous queries in the past, my response will not change.

    I'm fairly sure we've gotten our answer. You were full of it in your blog post and you've just showed that to the world.

  8. Penkala

    Posted

    I'm in VE, not CSN, and I have as much of a right to call you on your lies and BS as the next guy. Which is what I'm doing here. If your ally was honestly in so much trouble and you really wanted to help them, and now the only obstacle has been removed... Why aren't you helping them? Unless you were twisting the facts of the situation to make CSN look bad. But you'd never ever do that, would you?

  9. Penkala

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    Honest question: Why would NoR attack NPO?

    To help FAN. Who they care very much about and are obviously going to help out, rather than be petty and try to continue to "punish" their allies. Right?

    Please do some more research before I prove you wrong with two clicks of a mouse.

    Oh but wait, inb4 letting someone "burn" not equaling eternal war.

    Uh, you do realize they have peace now, right? So they're literally not in an eternal war. Period. End of discussion. Not debatable.

  12. Penkala

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    For every action there is a reaction. When they originally said that they didnt realise SF were going to extort DT under threat of eternal war. I wouldnt expect a member of VE to understand. When an alliance acts like an asshat it has far reaching consequences

    No, actually, when they originally said that they were fully aware of the circumstances since this was, like, one week ago.

    Do try to keep up.

  13. Penkala

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    I think their primary concern was for the ally who was being extorted and now that that extortion has been achieved entering into the war for the same people (its repeatedly been called a two sided war by your friends and allies) has to be impossible. If there was no extortion things might have been different but CSN were more worried with getting their loot than their side of the war. I dont speak for Nor but thats how I see it. The DoW was already typed but CSN tore it up is an idiotic act of greed

    Well, no...

    They said they'd help out on NPO once peace was achieved for DT.

  14. Penkala

    Posted

    I'm just wondering. Since apparently they were itching to pull that trigger and were ready and all but just needed the DT conflict to be ended. Then they had hours of notice that it was completed before update (but given DT's tendency to back out of agreements, I don't blame them for waiting for the OWF post.) How hard can it be to type up a DoW?

    Also, I'll never die. Ever. Deal with it.

  21. Ashoka the Great

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    Wait, what? CSN and NoR had little in the way of interaction before the war, and certainly none in the way of animosity. Regardless, I'm not going to get into this with you. You've been cherry picking your favorite talking points and ignoring others posed by logical and critical thinking people (including myself).I guess that's part of your new cheerleading thing so, good luck with that.

    Which is why NoR has turned this into Xiphosis' fault, so that they can attack GOD.

    I'm not sure what exactly I'm ignoring. I literally directly addressed your point. Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I'm ignoring you.

  22. Ashoka the Great

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    I think you've got this a little bit twisted. NoR is not threatening to harm the coalition due to CSN's actions. The coalition is harmed by CSN's actions.

    No, I really don't have it twisted. NoR is not going to help the coalition because CSN won't give someone white peace. What if DT made the same threat of VE and Polaris? Would we then be at fault? NoR is the one refusing to enter here, not CSN. What if it was flipped, and NoR was demanding that DH give NPO white peace to enter the war against Polaris (and we needed the help). If DH refused, citing NPO's threats and general lack of respect and refusal to negotiate in good faith, would it be MK's fault that NoR isn't entering?Really? CSN has worked with DT to try to find a reasonable peace. CSN even accepted DT's counter-offer, but because it was 24 hours later it was "too late" so the war didn't end. CSN is currently demanding only 10k tech be paid to themselves. And DT won't even do that, when they were willing to pay 40k tech just a week ago. I don't see what more they should be expected to do (other than not demand 40k tech in the first place).

    In the end, only NoR can decide whether they will enter the war or not. Their attempt to place the blame on an alliance they've historically hated, though, is hilarious. It's sad that some are falling for it.

    Through their anger and short-sightedness, Xiphosis and CSN have managed to keep at least 8,000,000 NS from entering the war.

    Whose short-sightedness, exactly? CSN has at least twice offered terms that DT has found acceptable in the past. And by 'past' I mean 'like the night before.' Rather than accept them, DT retracts its acceptance of the terms each time.

    Blinded by anger and unable to see 'the big picture' even if it were painted on the side of a barn, Xiphosis and his stooges are doing more to materially aid the NPO than they would by declaring war on Pacifica's opponents.

    Once again, CSN, recognizing the need to end this war, has agreed to DT's counter terms.

    Then DT went and pulled those terms from the table later... and then refused to honest a serious compromise. If DT had then said "we're knocking 2k tech off for taking a day to respond", the war would be over. That's negotiating. Saying "White peace since you took 1 day to accept this deal' is not negotiating in good faith. It's stupid.

    So CSN came back and offered even lower terms. Only 10k tech to CSN and 20k to Legacy. This is lower than DT's counter-offer. DT's response? Try to nickle and dime the terms even lower.

    Every time CSN lowers terms, DT lowers their offer. That's not negotiating and that's not a compromise on DT's part. It's short-sightedness. You'd think that if NoR was really all that concerned with the war against NPO they'd ask DT to try to come to a reasonable compromise. Like, say, paying CSN 1/4 what they originally asked.

    Criticize CSN for the high initial reps all you'd like, but all they're asking now is 10k tech (Legacy would get 20k, too..). That's extremely reasonable and extremely fair. The only reason they aren't accepting is because they believe that by punishing us, they can get us to pressure CSN into giving in to DT's demands. It's that simple. That they're refusing to aid the war against NPO in order to manipulate us into fighting their battles for them is unacceptable.

    There's absolutely nothing I hate more than an alliance blatantly attempting to use me or my allies.

  23. Ashoka the Great

    Posted

    The Commonwealth of Sovereign Nations demanded 40,000 tech from The Dark Templar as their condition for ending the war. Myworld and the rest of The Dark Templar were shocked. Why should CSN make such exorbitant demands? Why were they attempting to extort DT?

    Agreed. A bad initial decision.

    The way I see it, everyone's been making this harder than it has to be.

    Simply put, the reality is that CSN will not be bullied or threatened into giving DT white peace. They've lowered their reps significantly (cut them by 25%, removed a variety of restrictions, and doubled the length in which they can be paid). But if they wanted CSN to reduce the reps significantly they probably shouldn't have been complete dicks about everything. Then this would have been solved. They ruined any chance of this being solved peacefully. And they're as at fault for this not being resolved as CSN is. CSN handled terms poorly, DT handled negotiations poorly. Period.

    Dear SF,

    In case you're wondering why we chose to keep connections with PB instead of you guys, it's because we knew you were going to start pulling !@#$ like this.

    The only issue is that NoR / DT are just as responsible for !@#$@#$ up the end to this DT-CSN war as CSN is. Pulling acceptable terms off the table because they weren't taken immediately? Asking CSN to surrender? Threatening to harm the coalition just to spite CSN? Really?

    MK wouldn't give in to the kinds of things DT/NoR are trying to pull either.

    If NPO started telling you that the terms on the table were you apologizing to them, granting them white peace and agreeing to not re-enter the war, would you take those terms? Would you even continue negotiating terms down? What about if you continually lowered your own terms to levels NPO found acceptable, only for NPO to once again refuse the terms and offer new, lower terms themselves? Then did it again? Would you keep going lower to appease NPO?

    That might carry some weight if CSN had actually written the terms or we had not been placed (as RIA was, as you'll recall) in the awkward position of dealing with requests from both sides of the war in fairly rapid succession.

    Where, exactly, did you get the idea that CSN didn't write the terms?

    In the end, NoR are the ones who refuse to help against NPO, not CSN and not GOD. Period. What if NoR were demanding VE immediately give Polaris white peace in order to enter the war? If we refused, would you be blaming us, too? Would it be our fault that NoR wasn't helping you?

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