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You mean this one? Yeah I don't imagine there anyone getting off that train...

So much emotional projection and over generalization and double talk from Polaris all of a sudden. It's really quite disappointing. On one hand DBDC is a fringe alliance with no impact on the world at large, just pillaging friends and enemies alike with no structure or experience in politics (at the leadership level of course). Then when it suits the argument, DBDC becomes this devilish, scheming Titan that manipulates every facet of every alliance connected to it, bending them to its will through coercion and threat, effectively making things so unlivable we get quotes about how our friends live on their knees. Do you not see how ridiculous you all sound? If I had to play psychiatrist here, I would say there's a strong resentment of the way DBDC is portrayed within the confines of Polaris walls, and, fueled by constant misinformation, speculation and defeat, there is a sense that you are somehow justified in slandering us in every possible way publicly. If DBDC hadn't approached our friends about signing treaties with us (which is almost entirely instigated by DBDC, not out of some perceived fear), I would actually be concerned about overreaction to these hyperbolic stances. But we built all of our relationships on trust and respect and a sense of brotherhood, the cornerstones of DBDC values. These petty grievances, largely unfounded, disappoint me more than incite me, and have me shaking my head in dismay at what must be going in internally for the new polar order right now. DBDC is the least of your problems right now.

That'll do Smurf, that'll do.

A) They're not crappy B) Plenty of people care what happens C) It's not always about right and wrong, plenty of wars have functions outside of what might be considered 'fair' ?

I nominate O Ya Baby

All good things must end indeed. Good luck (PM me for targets)

What's the fun in answering questions like these in a public forum? Some things are better said in closed company and I think this qualifies supremely. When polaris is my enemy I want them to die in a ball of fire, like I do all my enemies. Post-war though, I have no problem calling it done and moving on to other battlegrounds without prejudice. I would hope the rest of my membership feels similarly, though there have been some heated opinions and some individuals might not be as forgiving.

I hate literally everything about this post. My word is my bond, and my 'spat' with SPATR was a test of that word. We told our allies that if a DOOMBIRD hit WAPA, we'd nuke them. There is no major drama remaining between SPATR and DBDC, and it surely has nothing to do with a lack of leadership or control. More on topic, if I told Hime I'm not interested in war, then I mean it. There's no reason to question it beyond that. DBDC are not my pawns to command in some grand chess match. We are all super tier nations with different ambitions working towards goals.

QFT

We're standing right here man. This whole "problem" you think we've created is just a natural step for us, and we evolve with the times. The mechanics are such that there will always be at least 250 nations in range, and if it so happens that all 250 of them are our friends, then we can be proud of that, but that's not the reality. It's not even about imposing some new world order upon any specific group of nations or class, it's that we know who our friends are, and we're capable of shifting the dynamic both physically and diplomatically. We are prepared to use all tools at our disposal to make that happen.

Ok can we NOT bastardize my [ooc]Bar Mitzvah[/ooc] speech here please? Holocaust references rarely achieve anything and this is no exception. So you're concerned that we are too good at making (and defending) friends. I would advise you to pick your battles, but then I realize I'm talking to the guy actually made me sympathize with MI6

He's on loan from the IRON Hall of Legends. It took years.

Oh hello there! Celebrating 2 years of making the world tremble and breaking things:

Good luck friends

Well done guys

Yes, I'm ready for my uncap the Nat'l Cemetary thread.

A wild Joshuarlax appears.

As it stands now, I have had to resolve substantially more wars related to GOONS hitting our tech sellers than I have with Polar or PBPC hitting our sellers. I can't actually think of one time I have been consulted to resolve a Decree-related war to be quite honest.

My stance on the wartime tech deals and subsequent attacks is this: I have never seen tech deals with non involved nations as an act of war. Even in the case of active warring, I don't see how it's the job of the attacker or attackers alliance to interfere with tech deals established between the enemy and an unrelated tech supplier. What rate is chosen is completely irrelevant. You are attempting to physically blockade the importation of tech without a game mechanic to support it. It's doomed to fail. The only scenario that merits such a direct inter meddling in my opinion is the purposeful tech aid of a nation you are actively warring. I'll supply an example: When DBDC attacked RIA, and RIA declared counter wars on our uninvolved guys, we were seeing previously nonexistent aid slots suddenly used to funnel tech and cash specifically to the RIAs that we're fighting us. These slots were coming from all over the place, and not from RIA. That's the kind of aiding I see as an act of war, not a tech deal or tech supply chain in place pre war. Obviously the point of war is to destroy the enemy and that means killing growth by stopping tech importation. But attempting to justify it as an act of war is outdated and circumventing responsibility for what you're doing. No matter how you want to spin it, you are declaring war against every alliance who is sending aid to your target, and all this OWF backlash shows that everyone is in accordance with that. So don't try to play ignorant when the world calls your bluff and attacks back. And don't be surprised if people still resent you postwar for half-assing an ineffective war tactic and calling yourself a liberator.

We haven't had an active war with polar since Nov 2014. Also, what? I'm fairly certain Pax Corvus got hit substantially harder than a one week shot at your top 3 nations. Before that GOP and before that TDO. We have also raided fairly unilaterally, so let's not play a card that doesn't exist. No one is pitying you because DBDC hurt your pixels. his response is quite accurate actually. The exact same situation. In fact in his case he was actually so outmatched we had to assign lower DBDC nations to hit because dark Templar was already falling out of range. SCM and auinur lost hundreds of thousands of NS fighting DBDC repeatedly during EQ. It's still getting declared on by gigantic nations with a size able tech advantage, only thing different was the land count.

Since I get seemingly daily PMs about this, I will offer you this advice: You will need protection, since there are some real crazies down in that NS range (Chow, Kindle, pretty much every GOONS 1.0-2.0). Most likely DBDC could offer you a protection agreement. Whatever tech you loot from those lower tier rogues you can send to DBDC and in exchange we will prevent them from declaring incessantly on you. The possibilities of the DBDCPBPC PIAT are endless, really. In exchange as well, DBDC agrees to return any Polaris member who has gotten too high in Nation Strength back down to the PBPC range so they may continue fighting in their preferred tier and creating much needed stability in the lower tier. You will be a legend for sure. NOBODY messes with PBPC, literally nobody.

I'm just shocked that there was over three pages disputing whether the DT CSN conflict was one of the darkest moments in DTs history. It's one thing to troll and incite responses with flaming rhetoric, it's another thing entirely to just deny history and trivialize one of the most gruesome defeats an alliance has ever faced. I, for one, commend the Dark Templar on their spectacular growth and political positioning. Their leadership has been steady and their loyalty unquestioned throughout their history. Integrity is hard to come by in this world, and they exemplify it more than most. Auinur is still a little girl though.

While no one can question your noobishness, I would like to clarify that nothing good has ever come from Dark Templar. Not even me.

It would appear the casualty gods have been appeased. O/ Hershey

He's most certainly not a member of DBDC