Mozaffar

Congratulations on a well-deserved end to hostilities, Pacifica.

As said before congratulations on the 3 year anniversary of the first incarnation of the IAA, and holy bejesus those are some amazing graphics.

In this persona little, in a previous persona it was to not go on a hiatus some time before the noCB war. It wouldnt have make much difference, but simply out of principle and for the action.

Hmmm, why should I leave the NSO for the Sith Empire?

I'm glad I'm in an alliance that does, and I don't really care if there are 50 or 300 nations in that alliance. Anyone who pays more attention to the amount of members in an alliance then it's character doesn't belong in the NSO and should just go to some Citadel alliance or something.

So let me get this straight the rules your trying to propose for just and morally justifiable surrender terms are, according to you, that the alliance needs to have personally underwent the very same surrender terms they are proposing to another alliance. Strange that NPO & friends only thought up this doctrine when they could very well be on the receiving end of these terms. edit: For the reason of keeping the game interesting and I think some lingering nostalgia I support not too harsh peace terms for the NPO. But certainly not because of the NPO membership coming to this forum talking about how harsh peace terms are unfair.

And in football (as in what us in Europe play) it is a, to speak with a sense of understatement, pretty widespread to try to "poach" players from other clubs. Not just transfers but also approaching the player privately if negotiations with the club break down to try to get a breakthrough.

Just got online for the first time in two days to see all of this, got to say I'm pretty unimpressed. I don't find this whole "poaching" that upsetting, it certainly doesn't make the NSO the most evul alliance eva. As is pretty much standard this time of the year people are getting bored and are looking for drama, no matter how trivial it is. o/ NSO

A crowd is gathered at the national rallying grounds, anxiously awaiting their spiritual leader and national ruler, the Holy Filibuster Urban IV. It is raining and getting the dark, Urban IV being well over a hour late they sing patriotic songs to stay entertained. Finally a limousine reaches the rallying ground making it's way through the crowd. It's flanked by a small army of militia members, part of the bodyguard of the Filibuster, they are firing their rifles in the air to keep the crowd at a distance and marking their arrival at the same time. Finally the car arrives at the small stage. Out comes the Holy Filibuster, wearing a purple toga and clutching a phonebook the elderly man makes his way to the stage. Several women in the crowd faint at the sight of this great man while many cheer at him, hailing the man who has taken the nation of Amsterdam Phonebook from rags to riches. As he gets ready for his speech, the crowd gets quiet: "Compatriots! Fish don't fry in the kitchen, beans don't burn on the grill. It took a whole lot of trying, just to get up that hill. Now we're up in the big leagues, getting our turn at bat! We have joined the Neverland Ranch a young alliance, we have decided to unite with others to protect our way of life, our freedom, our ideals. Forever will our nation be loyal to the Ranch, or at least up to the end of this round!" The crowd cheers at this jubilant news and many of them just happened to have brought flags of the Neverland Ranch to the rally, which is now being flown together with that of Amsterdam Phonebook (the logo of the Yellow Pages). The Holy Filibuster continues his speech: "We can already see our enemies criticizing our way of life, our culture. They are disgusted by our love for all of God's children, they know we would never hurt any living being but still they hope to bring us down. Here is a warning for these vultures, if you try anything we will bring you down and destroy you! You better run, you better do what you can! Don't wanna see no blood, don't be a macho man. You wanna be tough, better do what you can. So beat it, just beat it." As the Holy Filibuster finishes his sentence flags of Murder Inc start to be put on fire and are trampled on. Militia members are keeping a watchful eye as they are patrolling through the crowd. "Our religion is a religion of peace. We would never harm anyone, but we will not sit idly by while we and our friends are insulted by these false prophets! I call on you that if it comes to war you will defend us, our nation and our Ranch!" As one the crowd answers his call screaming in unity that they will defend it to the death, after which they try to push towards the stage to get a clear sight at the Holy Filibuster. Small fights are starting to break out throughout the crowd as people foaming at the mouth start accusing each other of not making enough noise, being unpatriotic or even a traitor to the fatherland. While the Holy Filibuster is being evacuated his bodyguard unsuccessfully tries to calm the uproar which would continue for several more hours.

I vote for one of the Order flags. Simply the best design. As far as I'm concerned flags should be relatively simple without any fancy things to make them nice is cool but some of these flags just aren't flags anymore. MHA flag is also pretty cool and should have been in here.

Good to see NPO members again, long time no seeeeeee. I notice you haven't been following this forum that much, using an argument that has been getting debunked for well over a month. "Karma" or at least the alliances that are or were fighting the former-Hegemony will be parting ways after this conflict. Between the lines you can already see the "lines being drawn". It might be a difficult concept for you to grasp, still stuck in the Hegemony mindset, but these alliances have never been intent on shaping a new Hegemony. Destroying the old one is good enough. Once this war is over, it could very well be that parts of the old Karma could be fighting each other and can't really be bothered to do something about NPO. In this case they best make sure that the NPO is crippled. Any treaty less then this isn't a peace, it's an armistice for a year (thanks Ferdinand Foch!). Regardless I still chuckle at the sight of NPO members complaining about high reparations. Might makes right is only valid when it's you that's on top?

Za' Sibir! Let's see who is at 4 mil first!

Just because it's unwise for the enemy to declare more wars doesn't mean it suddenly ceases being the aggressor in this conflict. I think what you fail to see is taking offensive on the military front, and the offensive on a diplomatic front (declaring wars without a proper casus belli or simply coming to the defense of your treaty partner).

Coolest pip I've seen so far, well done TOP.

Voted kingzog, would like for Windsor to have an honorary mention.

Right on, actually I think that officially I'm still on ZI list. This one person from Old Guard was in charge of clearing me but never seemed to truly be bothered to respond to multiple people asking for updates on their surrender...

In the pre-war situation, seeking power and survival is essentially the same. Without power, your open to being curbstomped and possibly even being put in perpetual war and this could very well continue, a lack of power could very well threaten your survival. The reason the Hegemony dared to attack Ordo Verde was because of a perceived lack of power. Any alliance has to seek power, be this through their foreign policy, public relations, recruitment or nation-building.

If I remember correctly, MCXA gave a slightly different explanation. I guess this one happens to be the most convenient. If you considered this the only way to communicate with them properly, what the hell were you doing so closely allied to them? I'm going to guess that NPO didn't just stop communicating with IRON from one day to the other. Actually at the start of the war, after the CoC still honored their alliance there wasn't this big curbstomp-class difference that better organization couldn't overcome. It wasn't anywhere near the kind of curbstomps that we have seen in the past. A war is obviously never lost for one reason, but of the reasons that this war was won, one was certainly that at the start Karma was given a strategic and PR advantage thanks to the CoC delaying it's entry into the war giving away the initiative to Karma. Karma, right at the formative phase of the war had more time to organize and prepare for a large part of the Hegemony entering into the war. Nah, I don't think IRON will be attacked over this by NSO or Karma or anyone else over this. With a bit of luck, the time of these kind of disclaimers just might be over. Be thankful

For NPO, it might actually change. Should they manage to fight their way back to their previous position I will have some form of respect for them, where I previously did not. It's not that difficult to keep the status quo in check and if I was a member I would long have looked for a new challenge. It's like playing a game at "easy" mode while loudly proclaiming how good your at it. For IRON, other then being close Hegemony allies I have always had a ""meh" opinion. The people who seem to have fought them like them though so I guess that's a pro. On the other hand I won't forgot how they tried to bail on the NPO right at the start of the war which just stays !@#$@#$ cowardly, probably has been a big reason for them losing this the war and is the reason that if I was running an alliance I would never ally to them.

NPO deserves the reparations of this magnitude, they didn't flinch while giving these kind of reparations to GPA, MK and NpO and boy had they been given the chance they would have given them to FAN as an end to the second war. If any alliance deserves this treatment it's the NPO. I'm getting the idea that Alzheimer's disease is becoming prevalent across Planet Bob, in particular in alliances previously allied to the NPO.

It all truly depends on whether NPO can go back from being Hegemon guarding the status quo to being an effective powerbroker in a multilateral world as they were before at least GWII. Should the NPO be able to make that transition then I am sure there will be a comeback, especially if the "omg karma is as bad as hegemony" crowd gets their way And if there is a comeback, they'll take out their enemies one by one. I've seen someone warning that the NPO could end up in a perpetual war much like the FAN. It wouldn't even be that bad of an idea to keep their influence in check.

First of all, I would like to emphasize that I think you were a good NSO member, intelligent and ambitious, much more then I have ever been, though I'd suggest, no offense intended, to keep a check on your attitude. I think had you approached the public about your plans in a different way you would have been more successful, the most dramatic example being the 3 million - 50 tech plan which you could have first shown to the public as a proposal rather as an order. I hope you'll take these things into account in your future alliance. I'll be replying to those points I've got anything to say on, for example in the case of point 4 I wasn't there so who am I to judge. 2. It's a fact that these things happen backdoor. We don't need to get our hopes up for nothing. Regardless opinions can change, I didn't expect to happen this fast but relations between NpO, STA and the NSO were already reaching towards that of a de facto bloc. Operating together as a official bloc just makes us work together more efficiently. What I would hope, and fully expect, is that Frostbite holds a high standard when it comes to admitting new alliances. 5. Look at it's membership and it's past affiliations. Look at our membership. Relations between NSO and tLC prospering can't really come as a surprise. 6. If I remember correctly, though I could be mistaking, that with a lot of your economic plans you did the same. First starting them up and only then debating about it.

I've read the remarks and I've taken note of the apology. Similar to Chron I would like to assure Athens that I have nothing against them, and neither does the rest of the NSO by my knowledge.

And I'm glad they did, without them the Hegemony would never have fallen and this would have been another noCB war, with the same consequences. Which is why it's not surprising (addressing your remark later on in this post) that their past affiliations have not been such a huge problem. Regardless the past affiliations of a member's alliance do not change the morality of Karma and they do not change the wrongdoings of the Hegemony. No doubt that aggressive diplomacy will continue, it will truly depend on the alliance. I expect especially the former Hegemony alliances to have problems adjusting to the new geopolitical realities and persist in their old attitudes. What is much, much more important is that there is no longer one bloc dictating the way things are going in Planet Bob. Karma has always been a one-time effort, I'm no insider but expect new blocs such as Frostbite to appear in the coming weeks, perhaps in some cases even pairing a few alliances from both sides together. For a while you might not have such a thing, one alliance or bloc being hated. I expect that you'll have a larger amount of smaller rivalries between different alliances and blocs at least for some time until a new Hegemony could arise (which could take some time). I agree with you here, you'll see a whole mash-up of international relations. I see NPO becoming less interventionist as they did after GPW, while the rest of Planet Bob goes into multiple smaller wars, not worthy of being a Great War but still being quite interesting.

Uh oh, someone is still stuck in the old "NPO is right no matter what" mode, let me explain this to you: 1. Alliances fighting the NPO make use of game mechanics to put their nations in peace mode 2. NPO taunts these alliances calling the use cowardly, even a few weeks before this conflict (remember Moo's offer to FAN) 3. NPO makes use of these same game mechanics and puts most of their top nation nations in peace mode 4. People remember the taunting of NPO and point out their complete hypocrisy 5. A handful of people fail to grasp the concept of hypocrisy most likely because they have problems adjusting to a CN where they don't have to be sycophants sucking up to the NPO)