Mozaffar

Athenius, keep up spreading the good word. You should not listen to the foreign agents that have infiltrated the NPO and are telling you to stop, they are not serving Lady Pacifica, nay they have prostituted themselves to the enemies of Order, Civilization and Freedom. The day of their final judgement is not far away Athenius, along with the other traitors who were given so much by the Order and are now destroying it!!!! I am looking forward to your future work comrade!!

Being dutch, FOK would be a obvious choice and coming from !@#$%*, NPO or ODN would be as well. However I think that what's more important to me is one the amount of money that is offered to me as a noob and the design of the website and flag. I can remember NADC having some hawt secksy designers so I could very likely join them.

Shahenshah, they've never stooped to PZIing people for the lulz, appointing Viceroys for over a year, imposing the harshest surrender terms (which some of the Karma alliances actually did) and pretty much justified it by saying "do something about it". Now that a number of alliances do this, it's still not good? And we all know that IRON will return to the side of the NPO should this war end in NPO's favor, in the past they never had a problem with NPO's crimes, why should they suddenly change their mind now.

Hold on, hold on? Might makes right? So if Karma turns out to be more mighty, then in Byron's opinion Karma is the right side? Byron sounds like a sycophant, sucking up to every side which happens to be the strongest at the moment, which ironically appears to be pretty symbolic for GGA policies the last couple of years. Nah Byron your exactly in the right place.

And like a boomerang, this whole "might makes right" attitude comes around to hit TPF & co right in the face. Guess what guys, this is what you get for this whole "we do whatever we want" thing, as soon as other people get the chance to return the favor they do. Personally, I treat people in exactly the same way they treat me. I think this is a good example of that idea. Needless to say that the null and void clause was probably built in as a loophole by TPF, and they are just pissed they didn't get the chance to make use of.

I look at what you are saying right now, at your behavior. You are condemning Karma for actions that pale in comparison to the crimes of NPO and friends. I see no condemnation of NPO, and I see no admissions of NPO being wrong in any sorts. I call that double standards. I don't care about your history, it's irrelevant to this debate.

Hmmm magicninja, as a great champion of morals and honor, so quick to condemn Karma over so little, where is your great moral outrage at all that the NPO has done. I see you ranting about the evul Karma in multiple threads, yet remain silent when your pointed out what the NPO and it's allies have done in the past. Or is it just that PZI, EZI, Viceroys and disbandment's are only okay when it are the enemies of the NPO that are on the receiving end?

Yes and? They can get new friends, it's a good deal of damage yet the NPO is still as strong as ever and so will continue to attract allies. Most likely the same type of sycophants that have just deserted them, but still. And yet I have seen not one person being put on EZI by Karma, no alliances getting the FAN treatment, no Viceroys appointed. Yet already you are condemning Karma as being as bad as the NPO? Because they wouldn't give NPO a light-grey peace straight from the start of a war... Nah it was karma, NPO getting treated in exactly the same way they treated OV. Must suck.

It would be insane to let NPO get away with this, and their past actions, with little to no punishment as you are suggesting. Despite that it's coalition has been broken, the NPO still lingers and if left untouched will rebuild, will gain new allies (maybe even allies that don't desert them when the going gets tough). NPO ought to be treated as the NPO has been fond of treating others such as MK, NpO, FAN and GATO.

Sorry mate, despite what they've been through if FAN hasn't changed too much I don't see them passing up on this possibility, they get to fight and it might be a pretty even fight as well. Obviously I'm not in the loop, but if FAN doesn't get a white peace, I'm quite sure they will see the possibilities for a spring offensive right here. Either way, Free FAN

Maybe let the membership of Karma have an election over it? With different candidates "if you vote me into the office of NPO viceroy, I will guarantee all their lands will be salted, their infra decimated and they will never rise again!". Might be entertaining.

Gefeliciteerd FOK! The topic seems to have a double meaning, but can't blame the OP.

I'm too starting to believe that Blackstone is a NPO front, the whole "Illuminati we are everywhere and nowhere" it's all a little bit too perfect and stereotype and I've seen zero evidence of Blackstone actually achieving anything whatsoever, possibly apart from that log in the Tattler, which I have to say doesn't truly speak for the security of Blackstone as well. Not that having a spy in the NPO is that big of an achievement.

Erm Gabe Logan you do realize that what your speaking of, would have prevented the current military action because your entire alliance would be in peace mode right now. Giving an alliance your about to attack evidence of why they are getting attacked is simply completely idiotic, it gives away all the initiative and surprise. I cannot see any serious self-respecting alliance do this. If you seriously think this would have been a reasonable and logical course of action, then I would advice you to re-consider trying to build an alliance and maybe first gather some more experience in an established alliance on how this whole foreign affairs thing works. The leadership of the NSO acted on the evidence they have gathered, the only ones they have to answer to on this matter, in my humble opinion, are it's (future) allies and it's membership.

Exactly, the goal of this war is punishment for past spying and to convince CDC and it's membership that it's best not to spy on us in the future. Any aid after the conclusion of this war is none of our concern.

I'm in, signed

Fought in the Orders as Suid-Afrika, got my nation beat up pretty badly in all three of them and for GWIII I tried helping out a little bit in the NPO Diplomatic Corps

I think that says more about those powers (and how you think of those powers) then about myself, turning a very ambiguous remark of a member who has been on CyberNations for 5 days, it's alliance for 2 and commanding no position whatsoever into a casus belli against another alliance is... well forget about it I think that you get where I'm going at. Regardless for clarification, the undefined reasons I was referring to was the somewhat more challenging task of helping to build something new, to bring about changes in CyberNations rather then be another footsoldier in a large alliance which has been around for years and with as sole mission to protect the status quo. Or even worse a techraider.

I've had several tries at playing CyberNations for prolonged times, none really worked out. I'm hoping for the best for this one. Regardless, the offer is on. And the thought of joining NSO has passed my mind, but I'm currently happy in Vox, having joined it for the same reasons I'd have to join the NSO.

It'd seem you've got the flag issue worked out, if you still need a flag/banner maker you're welcome. -Qantrix

Welcome back Ivan!