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True. They should try it on somebody more competent than MJ, like C&G.

[quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1314148704' post='2787313'] Neutrals shouldn't even be in a list of war-ready alliances. They are terrible. [/quote] How do you know? Nobody has actually fought a neutral for years.

Pretty much this. Anyone treatied to MK will win a "Who is better" poll.

[quote name='supercoolyellow' timestamp='1313378496' post='2781083'] You guys realize that this alliance is already responsible for bringing something around 60 plus new players into the [ooc]game[/ooc] ? [/quote] But at terrible cost.

[quote name='Rayvon' timestamp='1313303644' post='2780391'] I wouldn't consider .5 land each day as growth. Unless you're spending money on infra every single day. Tech every single day. How many slots you got? [/quote] He didn't say a [i]lot[/i]. Growth is growth.

[quote name='Aeros' timestamp='1313018951' post='2777008'] I think Xiphosis died a little inside. Winter is coming. I smell it in the air, I hear it in the cry of the crows. [/quote] Two alliances who dislike him signing an optional treaty? I doubt he cares, frankly.

[quote name='Sandwich Controversy' timestamp='1313028612' post='2777125'] Who would pray to fight NATO [b]except a member of a really bad alliance[/b]? You should at least be shooting for RnR. [/quote] Like... NSO?

[quote name='Crymson' timestamp='1312855313' post='2775393'] Yes, because I couldn't be bothered to spend the time to fuss up a list of what everyone already knows occurred. Fortunately for you, RV made an effort (though he understandably left out Xiphosis's uncountable less-major episodes of asinine behavior). Now you know. Happy? [/quote] Calm down. Breathe. Learn to take a joke.

[quote name='Sardonic' timestamp='1312853272' post='2775363'] Please, strawman harder. I don't think even xiphosis himself would deny that there were misdeeds*. [/quote] What he would or would not deny is irrelevent. The point is that the exchange between WC and Crymson reads pretty much like that.

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1312837772' post='2775195'] [color="#0000FF"]Believe me, what I'm telling you isn't some far fetched conspiracy theory. [/color] [/quote] Sounds like exactly what it is. You're barking at shadows here.

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1312835660' post='2775174'] [color="#0000FF"]See, we get along with Hoo now. Despite our past with RoK we have a fairly good relationship with them these days. We both started clear with each other after Six Mil, and found cause to mutually respect each other during the last war. The same is true for many other alliances whom once held a poor image of us. We've made friends out of enemies, or at the very least made them no longer our enemies. The NSO is always willing to offer out its hand in peace, and we've offered that hand to SF on at least three different occasions. The bad blood started when we hit RAD, and incidents started popping up constantly after that. While the NSO is guilty of starting a few, SF provoked us just as much. Still, NSO saw the foolishness and tried to make peace. We were rejected every single time. Perhaps we just needed a fight to get it out of our systems, as happened with RoK and NSO, but we've fought GOD and RnR twice now. One of these allies refuses to let it rest, and continued to view us as an enemy even when we tried to bury the hatchet. When RoK attacked NSO it brought a few allies along. One of them attempted to hijack the war and make it their own. This alliance felt Hoo wasn't being hard enough on us (despite us having lost three quarters of our strength and having dealt a deal of damage internally, to the point of near collapse, we still had not suffered enough for our mistake). I'll admit, I was quite annoyed with Hoo, since I was led to believe a peaceful solution could have been settled. But I've forgiven him, as we did stupidly hand him a CB on a silver platter. But it was RoK's war, it always was, and I've not forgotten your attempt to take it over to satisfy your own psychotic agenda. And then there is the matter of attitude when fighting. When we fought RoK members we found them to be quite classy. I talked with quite a few of them and found them to be pleasant people. RnR on the other hand felt a need to brag about its capabilities, quite impressed with their abilities to perform adequately against an outnumbered alliance. Your trash talking and puffing has not ceased. Well, let me tell you, if it were just you and us we would have wiped the floor with your sorry lot. Each and every Sith is worth ten, at least, of yours. Perhaps one day you will discover that to your misfortune. But enough about Six Mil, that was almost a year ago, and we had no dealings with SF since. We had even laid low to keep out of your business. We were humbled. Yet a least one of you still hasn't been able to let go of the past. As you might know NSO came to NPO's defense, joining a hundred lesser alliances who had dogpiled GOONS and still needed our help (we couldn't ask TPF to be the only competence alliance on that front, could we?). So we fought GOONS, and came to like them surprisingly enough. They liked us too, and gave us and our allies a reasonable peace offer. We were not eager to get out of that war, with NPO and TPF still fighting, but we heard we were going to be hit soon. GOD would not have hit us immediately, but the chain existed for him to do so. Knowing him he'd have hit us and our allies. Naturally GOD wouldn't do much fighting, only enough to have a say in the peace talks. Xiphy's M.O. has always been to work his way onto a front that has mostly clear up, takeover the peace talks and be a general pain in the behind. It would have been his style to make sure GOONS didn't "go light" on us. He'd push for more than GOONS thought we deserved. GOONS and others fighting us, although maybe wanting to see us get a peace, would feel pressured to keep fighting us if only to prevent Xiphy from screwing us over in the peace talks without them present (GOD alone can't do much, but Xiphy does have his merry band of little idiot followers who can do his work for him). I have nothing but speculation to base that on (but it not an unfounded belief, considering that Xiphy had done it twice during the war already with UPN and DT), but believe me when I say the NSO considered that greatly when we were offered terms by GOONS. We did not care much about having to fight GOD ourselves. Some of us relished the idea. If it came to that we would have shifted all of our resources off GOONS and MK and focused entirely on GOD. But we would not put our allies in TPC and PhR through Xiphy's madness. We've not forgotten that either. Xiphy, the Sith do remember. I hope you're looking forward to dealing with us during the peace negotiations as we are with you.[/color] [/quote] Okay, this is getting a bit silly. Now your holding a grudge for something you think he might have done to you.

[quote name='fant0m' timestamp='1312464541' post='2771756'] No subtlety at all but I'll bite. Where did you get this from exactly? I might have given it to you if this was 8 months ago when RoK was still a member and PC existed. We had issues with RoK for a long time (now virtually resolved I'm happy to say) and NG's minor grievances with current SF members are certainly nothing to write home about in comparison. [/quote] Not to be contrarian, but the last couple of pages of this thread have been dominated by your gov. and CSN's shouting at each other. I believe the words "worse than Xiph and Delta combined" were thrown out.

[quote name='Alfred von Tirpitz' timestamp='1311656748' post='2763920'] The only losers in this exchange are the owf denizens. [/quote] Only if you view 8 pages and counting of drama as a defeat.

And this is why it is unwise to tech raid. Some people get a bit vindictive when you attack them without provocation. At this point, how much more have you lost than the tech and land gained? This guy is doing you guys a favor by trying to make you give it up. Sanctions for this are a bit of a low blow, especially considering how easy it is to fight a single nation four v. one. Still, there isn't really anything you can do about it. I'd recommend finding an alliance to negotiate on you behalf, I see DT has offered. Taking them up on that is your best move in the long run. If, on the other hand, you are attached to the blaze of glory strategy, best of luck with that too.

Congrats guys!

[quote name='Jacapo Saladin' timestamp='1311395115' post='2761842'] They were slow. Raiders hit them. Who is to blame? Hint: Them [/quote] Sure, they could have been faster, but there is absolutely no reason to even make an announcement, much less rush it. At most this needed to be tacked on to the end of the new treaty.

[quote name='agni365' timestamp='1311391188' post='2761776'] I know it's true, you know it's true, everyone knows its true. This is simply a record for the history books. Allow me to start: 1. We are GOONS 2. You are NOT GOONS 3. We don't care about this world NOTE: I am acting independent of the GOONS Gov't and this has not been authorize by anyone expect for me. [/quote] If GOONS doesn't care about this world, why the disclaimer? I can't argue with the first two points though, except maybe the part about you being in the GOONS.

Actually no. Not unless it is for a different crime.

[quote name='Lord Levistus' timestamp='1309743823' post='2748003'] As awesome as that would be, it would never work. CN has grown, and the NS rule shave changed to hide that growth. We're much larger and stronger than we were back in the old days of the numbered great wars. The only thing that would be an advantage to them would be the number of nations. Would be like pitting a modern Armoured Division against the Zulus. [/quote] Clearly you have never seen Deadliest Warrior. It is way more entertainment than science.

I'm guessing MHA lost a lot of score due to Graemlins reforming.

Lame move. Even most raiders will take their lumps if a raid goes bad. You're just bullying at this point.

[quote name='Alterego' timestamp='1303005246' post='2691762'] Well anyone who can muster the effort then tow the line enough not to get banned [/quote] Toe. Toe the line. Carry on.

Never mind.

[quote name='KCToker' timestamp='1302581595' post='2689176'] Hah, we don't have anyone left to cancel on us. LOOKS LIKE THE JOKE'S ON YOU! [/quote] Well there's still use and the rest of SF, except Xiph controls them all so...

Congratulations SOS on a great ally.