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[quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1281586222' post='2412189'] Holy !@#$ GATO and NSO don't like each other anymore. Wow! thanks for letting us know. [/quote] For what it's worth, I never understood why you signed with them anyway, being led by Ivan and all. So now the way you treat each other just seems normal to me.

Your fall from what you once were still saddens me. And you were even making topics about other members doing exactly what your leader was doing. Sorry to say but that's as hypocritical as it can get....right here.

[quote name='BlkAK47002' timestamp='1281457148' post='2409767'] Actually those 4 alliances were needed. And they admit to it earlier in the thread. I know, what a shame. [/quote] [quote name='Feuersturm' timestamp='1281462938' post='2409927'] Agreed. Good luck NSO! [/quote] Says the alliance that did the exact same thing countless times. The only thing different is NPO did it in a time when attacking NS ranges were much wider and when your allies had more members. You asked for Q to jump in when you wanted the #1 spot again and attacked GPA and you asked for all of 1V to join your revenge war against GATO. The amount of hypocrisy NPO still displays is hilarious. Now, the only question is if your grand displays of cowardice when your ally is attacked are greater than your hypocrisy.

[quote name='Vladimir Stukov II' date='22 March 2010 - 08:15 PM' timestamp='1269306921' post='2233709'] However, Gremlins and Umbrella began moving closer to CnG all while we came to despise [b]that bloc for their constant bad mouthing of us.[/b] [/quote] They were bad mouthing us because of all the #&$#@ we pulled in the Karma war. We deserved EVERY bit of it. Non-nuke deals, bandwagoning in, trying to get lighter terms for IRON (a main reason we entered the Karma war)...and this is just what was on our forums, I'm sure Crymson and gov. did even worse things behind closed doors. Maybe you should get over yourself and realize that people dislike TOP for good reasons. Maybe a change in [i]behavior and attitude[/i] should come right about now and that this is the only fix to TOP's massive problems.

[quote name='Feanor Noldorin' date='19 March 2010 - 02:34 PM' timestamp='1269027224' post='2230462'] Underlined the important part. Glad we can agree. [/quote] You know, what was strange is TOP was waaaaay closer to Gra than IRON. In fact, I really never saw much activity out of IRON when I was active in TOP. I always got the impression that NPO/IRON really hated us for leaving Q and would haven't defended us if TOP had gotten rolled. So it was stupid when we decided to really jump in bed with IRON after Karma. I'm going to chaulk it up as a behind-closed-doors gov. to gov decision which basically ignored the general attitude of the general assembly. It was also during this time that the GA started to demand greater transparency from our then gov. Kiss Goodbye (GC/MoFA) doing a great job in that regard (too bad he's gone). I think that TOP would still be right at NPO's side if TOP's Gov. thought that NPO would've been on the winning side during the Karma war. I think this is why we didn't cancel on NPO until much much later. Bandwagon'ing FTL. Here's to hoping none of TOP's old guard, NPO/IRON loyalists are ever voted into office again. But back on topic, TOP has no right to be upset at Gra. TOP, you started this war and forced their hand and your buddies at NPO started the last great war. Can you just stop bawwwing and take it like adults?

Way to go TOP! Attacking an ally's uninvolved MDoAP treaty partner is pretty much the most idiotic thing a you could have done. How many idiotic things do you have to do before you realize what an epic failure you've become. Good luck savaging your horrendous reputation TOP. Maybe in a few years people will actually respect you again.

NEW, you do not have to explain yourself to anyone. I personally think you guys are amazing. Great fighters and have a fun attitude that isn't afraid of war. We need more alliances like yours. I've always wished you were on "our side" of this war and the last major one. You are on my top 5 list of alliances I would love to be allied to. Also, we all knew that NEW wanted to defend TPF. No honor lost there. Edit: at Bilrow for making fun of an Indonesian alliance's English. Show a little class.

I voted for the 2nd option since TOP's pound is coming from a kitten's paw....or shall I say turtle's paw. Edit: The TOP bawing in this thread is hilarious. The fact that TOP seems to be so quick to forget is THEY ATTACKED CnG. If they couldn't take the heat they shouldn't have attacked CnG, TOP. I know this has been said to TOP [i]over and over[/i], but please make accurate comparisons. When you aggressively attack an entire bloc you should get very high reps. IMO, the reps amounts being thrown out are still pretty low. But this is what I expected from a aggressive alliance who demanded white peace after attacking CnG. Now if CnG had attacked IRON/TOP/etc THEN the reps would be too high. I know TOP has a thick skull, but not even you are that stupid to not realize this.

[quote name='jstep' date='01 March 2010 - 10:16 AM' timestamp='1267460370' post='2209962'] I believe certain actions of TOP in the Karma war ended effectively ended Cit [/quote] Fixed it for you.

Good luck Ivan. You did make the game interesting. Glad no one made you resign, although making a promise not to surrender was a bit of a misstep given how even this war was when you entered.

The sad thing is that TOP threw way the FOK treaty for IRON, an alliance that's done absolutely nothing for TOP. Whereas FOK would have always had TOP's back, IRON is known for trying to weasel out of treaty obligations (Coward Coalition), taking forever to come to an allies aid (WWE), and let us not forget the position IRON put TOP in during the Karma war. o/FOK, I wouldn't ever throw you away as an ally.

Oh I saw what you thought were attempts to fix Citadel. Maybe if you guys finally get over yourselves you'll see where you went wrong. But that list is quite long so might want to get some coffee or something. As to FOK cancelling on TOP. We all know what went on that created that situation, so don't act stupid.

TOP, maybe you'll realize the depths at which you have fallen for poor allies like IRON and ex-Hegemony. You threw away Citadel and you threw away FOK. Basically all your good allies you replaced with poor ones. Now if only your Grand Master would come out of peace mode.

[quote name='Crymson' date='23 February 2010 - 04:22 AM' timestamp='1266920553' post='2198862'] Ah, yes---given that you're a member of an alliance governed by pathological liars and backstabbers and populated by people who support them, you're not really one yourself to talk, are you? [/quote] Quality ex-leader right here. The most classy person ever to grace Planet Bob. TSO, I have to hand it to you. I really thought you'd bail on TOP to save pixels. Although I'm sure you thought you'd win this war. In any case congrats on 1 year and the Umbrellian nukes you'll be sucking down. I know the 2nd year won't be too easy to get through now that big daddy TOP can't protect you. Who knows, miracles happen.

[quote name='flak attack' date='22 February 2010 - 11:48 PM' timestamp='1266904110' post='2198626'] You over estimate TOP's warchest advantage. Other than a handful of outliers, theirs are pretty comparable to ours [/quote] , yep. Also TOP's heptagon was always a bit of a joke as they didn't really seem like they knew much more than the general membership did. TOP really isn't a true democracy in my opinion, more of an aristocracy. The lack of Heptagon information/power really showed TOP's government for what it is.

Sparta and allies, you've given a stubborn insulting enemy very light terms in my book. I applaud you for that. After the stunt they pulled I'm glad you were the bigger man. I though reps would be closer to 100,000 tech for what they did.

[quote name='LiquidMercury' date='22 February 2010 - 11:58 AM' timestamp='1266861523' post='2197516'] snip [/quote] Had you not pre-empted you probably would have won this war. That's how colossal a blunder it was. It was war changing, from day one of your aggressive attack. You had Polar, Aztec and many other alliances on your side and you effectively caused them to swap sides for the most part due to their treaty obligations. You became the bully NPO of the Karma war in essence. Something I had warned TOP about for some time internally, as did many others more important than I. [b]You lost the war with your poor military tactics when you should have won the war.[/b]

LM, this topic just makes you look silly.

This topic made me laugh pretty hard. Thanks GOONS! LM, epic failure once again.

[quote name='skokie' date='18 February 2010 - 03:30 PM' timestamp='1266528649' post='2190237'] noob question... is this the first time TOP has been on the losing end of a war? [/quote] Yes it is. And they are struggling to find their way. Egos aren't always conducive to admitting defeat.

The sheer amount of bawing coming from Saber and Avernite in this thread is very disappointing. Act like the knights you claim to be. Whether NpO started the war or TOP/IRON started a separate war, [b]your coalition is still the aggressor[/b]. To talk about white peace being fair is an insult to everyone's intelligence. You started this war and should justly pay damages for the unnecessary destruction you caused. Please, please just stop making yourselves look foolish. You are dragging TOP's name through the mud and no member or ex-member can be proud of what you are turning TOP into. edit: [quote name='Crymson' date='18 February 2010 - 03:29 PM' timestamp='1266528544' post='2190230'] Ah, yes---good old Impero, the fellow who did everything he could to prevent any agreement between OV and NPO before the Karma War, and then was probably one of those who acted to torpedo it behind the scenes. His intentions have always been good.... errr.... no, not really. [/quote] The irony of this statement is astounding.

And there goes any shred of dignity the alliances listed in the OP had. Just quit your crying and man-up for the war you started.

[quote name='Baden-Württemberg' date='17 February 2010 - 11:11 AM' timestamp='1266426663' post='2187667'] Yes. Don't hurt your infra, Umbrella. [/quote] You got the wrong ex-Citadel alliance there. The one you are thinking of is the ally that is getting you burned to the ground for their stupidity.

I doubt any of us were asking for reps anyway so the term is moot really.

[quote name='Hayzell' date='16 February 2010 - 11:04 PM' timestamp='1266383085' post='2187104'] Right. And based on the above observation it was strategically decided ([b]by undoubtedly one of the greatest military minds of our time and confirmed by others[/b]) that the best strategic move would have been to cripple CnG from being able to effectively counter the blitz which would have otherwise been launched against CnG allies. Obviously in hindsight the move seems to be our greatest folly, blah blah blah [/quote] oyababy is helping you! SPAI!