Steve Buscemi

[quote name='Xiphosis' timestamp='1286587691' post='2479275'] Victory to the Stickmen! [/quote] Heh, it feels so hollow...so so hollow. I think the impressive part of CDT is the sheer amount of alliances it sucked in and churned out. [quote][b]Current Signatories[/b] * Menotah * United Purple Nations * United Sovereign Nations * Wolfpack [b]Former Signatories[/b] * New Eclipse Order * The Enforcers * Union of Republics * The German Empire * Order of Feudalistic Security * Council for Mutual Economic Assistance * Commonwealth of New England * Farkistan * Notorious Freedom League * BANG Alliance * Union of Global Nations * The Brotherhood * Centurion Defense Cell * North Atlantic Treaty Organization * Novus Orbus * International Combatants for Militaristic Superiority * The Commonwealth * Council for Militaristic and Economic Assistance * Commonwealth of Great Nations * HeroesOfGaming * Black Defense Council * North Atlantic Treaty Organization * The Foreign Division * The Centurion Brotherhood * Ragnarok * Carpe Diem * The Dark Evolution * Fellowship of Elite Allied Republics * Invicta * United Commonwealth of Nations [/quote] I'd like to see any bloc ever top that.

I'm not sure if this is the topic to say, but Pandora's Box is now official. Without further ado, the member alliances are: VE PC Umbrella GOONS iFOK FOK UPN I'd like to congratulate all my old and new allies! o/ us! edit: just to make sure, this is the closest to an official notice there will be. Don't bother contacting UPN. They won't answer any confirmations. Good luck to the active members in ex-CDT alliances, I'm trying to save time and not PM the 3 of you individually.

[quote name='Dochartaigh' timestamp='1286558083' post='2478933'] wait, the sides were even? but what about GOONS stating that the opposition was going to be crushed???? if the sides were even, then GOONS must be wrong.... [/quote] *sign*. I need to stop posting in the OWF. Is everything just propaganda to you? I gave MY honest opinion. What does GOONS opinion have to do with my post? Besides all that you [b]completely[/b] missed the entire point of my post. Ugh. And it comes from someone I actually have respect for...as well as your alliance (IAA standing up for GATO during the 1V war).

You know people really must stop bashing ODN as pixel lovers or whatever. From what I've seen the last few great wars, they have quite a good military and very active in the war effort. And not against easy alliances with low tech levels. I'd say they've proven themselves. And to assume ODN was saving pixels by preventing a war is just plain silly. The sides looked relatively even. I have to admit that it would have been nice to have a fun war again, but it's just irritating that anytime ODN does anything they are "pixel lovers". They aren't. Not from where I"m sitting at least. I don't know why they are allied to UPN, but I can totally respect them honoring a treaty like that.

[quote name='goldielax25' timestamp='1286545834' post='2478820'] Actually, the opposite couldn't be more true. Contrary to your beliefs, we don't really hold grudges. We let GGA live on and die on their own terms when they gave us ample opportunities to put them out of their misery. We didn't have to not only not intervene with a new GOONS, but to eventually get friendly enough to sign a treaty. Karma War declaration on NPO was because they hit our MADP partner. And no, we don't care about or hold any grudges against Invicta or you for any reasons, really, Haf. [/quote] Heh, good point. I still hold a grudge against VE for [i]not[/i] attacking of the GGA for so long.

Congrats guys! I've noticed MHA's impressive growth, much harder for a larger alliance.

You and TSO really know how to make stupid decisions when it comes to topic titles don't you. Congrats on the treaty I guess.

[quote name='silentkiller' timestamp='1286224741' post='2474547'] You mock the originality of his post with that? Nice. Btw you still haven't explained why Bilrow is a hypocrite because we attacked an alliance in "Stever Buscemi: The fantasy Bob". [/quote] Karma, [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=54735"]it's right in your DoW[/url]. Now stop trying to defend Bilrow's clearly hypocritical actions. NPO has waged more war over spying/spy intel than any other alliance and now you are doing what you criticized so often. But I'm sure you'll have a lame excuse for why it isn't the same thing as what Bilrow did when really it is.

[quote name='Corinan' timestamp='1286222036' post='2474460'] And here you are both still wearing their tag on this forum. Some allies LUE turned out to be, eh? All the loyalty you've showed them over the years, and for what? Discarded like yesterdays garbage. Disgusting. [/quote] Love the new line. F for originality, but A for effort.

[quote name='silentkiller' timestamp='1286218176' post='2474374'] [OOC] Oh my he posted something from Google. The horror! [/OOC]. I thought you'd be claiming he is killing Planet Bob by making the gov of alliances secretive about what they do. I am dissapoint son. Interesting logs Bilrow. And it seems I have joined the picoslavian elite (yes Bilrow I mispelled it, sue me) [/quote] Do you guys deliberately miss the point or are you just that dense? I actually enjoyed reading Bilrow's post...err...his copy/paste. I'm just saying you would have rolled an alliance for doing what you just did. That makes you a hypocrite be definition.

[quote name='BilrowlolNPO'] Members of Picostanislavia Elite intercepted this message via its Google Tubes. http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:-vN9H1j8LOYJ:!@#$%*.com/7mJ0MKSe+!@#$%*+pandora+box&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk [/quote] What's funny about this is in the past your alliance would have rolled the alliance making a post just like yours here. You are just a Grade A hypocrite aren't you.

The amount of fail propaganda posts by NSO, NPO, and the OP are at an all time high in here. I just can't wait for every single topic you'll make every time there is any treaty change by SF or CnG. Can you just make one topic and then you can just copy paste the same talking points you use over and over again. It'll save you time.

[quote name='Heft' timestamp='1286138825' post='2473407'] You're accusing the guy who finally brought this to the majority of non-gov people of making the game boring for non-gov people? I understand your sentiment, but your aim seems a bit off. [/quote] Really? You seriously can't be that dense can you? Picard facepalms.

It's jerks like you, supercoolyellow, that make Planet Bob so boring for non-gov. members. Even stealing an image someone graciously made? That's pretty low, even for you. OPSEC and/or keeping high level treaties and blocs at government levels has been killing Planet Bob for years now for general memberships and the only thing you do is make Planet Bob less open for newer members and non-gov. members by making gov. even more timid about sharing info with their general memberships. Congrats on making Planet Bob worse. That is the only thing you accomplished with this topic. If you are going to log dump, etc. at least make it about war or something. But then again, I looked at your AA and realized you are still just butt-hurt that [s]the alliance you were the meatshield for[/s] your alliance isn't in power anymore. edit: for IC

Do you guys have any non-Indonesians in your alliance? Do you prefer to treaty alliances who favor tech raiding?

Meh, I didn't think your alliance could even enforce a ZI order. Congrats on accepting reality, I guess.

Congrats MHA! I've noticed some pretty decent growth out of you the last few months. Only way NPO will ever pass you is if they threaten you with war and tell everyone you aren't neutral....shoot wrong topic.

[quote name='silentkiller' timestamp='1284578909' post='2454938'] If we just substituted alliances with nation leaders it would be a perfect description of your good self. Now stop being an idiot and run your mouth about something you at least have a slight clue about. On second thoughts stop posting altogether. You will be doing us all a huge favour. [/quote] There is an ignore function if your panties are in a bunch. It won't hurt my feelings at all . I know it's frustrating that you can't now silence people out of fear of being attacked and PZI, but times change.

[quote name='BlkAK47_002' timestamp='1284510277' post='2454109'] Wow you really have had sour grapes about us in your posts lately. [/quote] Not really. I just don't like alliances that keep bawing about everything that doesn't go their way.

[quote name='Branimir' timestamp='1284330272' post='2451545'] Well, at least SF is branching. Gonna take that CnG? xD [/quote] Another epic NPO fail right here.

Last poll needs more NSO. Can't have a WAE poll without NSO.

[quote name='Ivan Moldavi' timestamp='1284127548' post='2448816'] [snip] these are just words, not surrender [snip] [/quote] A backhanded compliment is just that. Don't play stupid. NPO has a long history of not honoring treaties, despite their attempts to convince people otherwise. SF, congrats! I've liked you guys ever since you hit GGA in the UJP war. (60m in reps, lolgga)

[quote] This thread gives me hope that NPO and CnG can come together as friends, and bond over a mutual stomping of MHA. I will join MK if this happens. [/quote] I thought you got that jealousy over not being #1 out of your system when you used Q to take down the GPA? CnG isn't stupid. I will join the UPN if that happens. Congrats MHA and RnR, both fine alliances. Mistakes were made in the past, we've all been there.

I don't want anyone telling me how I can or can't play CN other than admin, so I don't want to start telling neutrals how they can or can't play CN.

[quote name='bigwoody' timestamp='1283410340' post='2438991'] [b]On an aside, the gap in skill between alliances is shrinking nowadays.[/b] Back when TORN was founded, we and a handful of other alliances were far and away above the rest, because the proper tactics for warfighting were not widely known. Back then we had tricks for anarchying larger nations 1-on-1 rather reliably, as did others with GOONS/MK/a few other lineages. I remember a few of the wars in our early days where quite literally opponents didn't know what hit them. By now, however, pretty much everyone knows how to fight, and [b]war has turned into how your nation is built + who is the most active.[/b] Hence, size and activity rule over tactics almost universally. Alliances that are exceptions to this rule and are disproportionately deadly (i.e. GOD) or disproportionately pathetic (i.e. Sparta) for their size are now aberrations. War in this game is now all about numbers, unfortunately. [/quote] I think you really are dead on here. For awhile game mechanics and the war system changed quite often, whether by new wonders or parts of the actual battle system. Navy did very little and didn't matter until round 2-3 of the war which was already pretty much decided anyway. Since nothing has changed lately it's really taken most of the skill out of the war system everything just boils down to activity levels and nuclear power. What we need is more options in attacking like the choice between say an anarchy missle vs. a tech missle vs. a standard nuke (infra missle). Choices that really affect great war strategy. With that said the best military is probably the most active x highest ANS x fearlessness. It's the last category that puts FOK and NpO up there with the likes of MK/Umbrella/TOP. EDIT: In my actual war experience STA/BAPS were tough and Wolfpack/Invicta/Legion were laughable.