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Good to see that our community take care of each other. All the best Lanore. Hope you get well soon. It saddens me why one has to live in pain for such a long time. Sorry for did not chip in more. But I will check this back again next month and chip in more if needed. You are not alone. We are with you.

Sad to see that this joyous occasion also means the end of three great alliances that I have always held in high respect. May the Anarchy be greater than its predecessors and may they be the new force great and brave enough to challenge the old regime o/ may all your foes be in state of anarchy

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1341706570' post='3006332'] Funny to see this comment coming from Umbrella, you guys avoided defending your allies in Sparta and MHA in recent wars and only took part by joining the winning side who was curb stomping your other allies where your help wasn't even necessary. Olympus defended NPO when they were declared on by Fark, so they filled all their obligations in that one. When DH declared on NPO, Olympus defended NPO there as well even when it didn't put them on the winning side. So they at least have consistency in filling their obligations even if it means them taking heavy damage in unfavorable wars, but them joining in to help reduce the damage you guys take as you pursue further vendettas/boredom wars after declaring on one of their allies just previously wouldn't make sense. Olympus, BAPS, and Valhalla also fought in the BiPolar War even when the odds weren't favorable for them from the start, something I've never seen Umbrella do even when you have allies getting rolled. So all the alliances who formed Anarchy Inc have fought in more difficult and risky wars than you guys, that you guys are trying to insult them for not bandwagoning in to help you in your curb stomps or take damage in wars which have nothing to do with them is pathetic. Or were you hoping in those previous wars they would of jumped in defend Sparta/MHA in your place since you were to busy helping the side rolling them? Either way you can't expect them to join every retarded war you guys start up for no reason and you guys hitting CSN for continuing to attack a spy who was still on their ZI list doesn't count as anything more than an excuse. They aren't afraid of tough wars and honoring their obligations, but have no reason to pointlessly let you guys lead them into retarded wars against those they have no reason to fight. [/quote] QFT. I have yet to see Umbrella defending their allies in the losing side. From as long as I can remember they have been akways cowardly and switch sides every so often just to be on the winning sides. One of these days, when MK ends come, I will not be surprised to see them citing thousands of reason just so that they do not haveto defend them. Umbrella militarily strong but mentally coward.

[quote name='SirWilliam' timestamp='1341236443' post='3001761'] Oh you. Much love, VE. Best of luck on your many battlefields. [/quote] Consider what VE did for you in the last war, the way you assist them now is disappointing at best. I know who you are allied to make you cannot defend VE, but at least you can use your political influence on your allies to stop this war seeing that it is damaging your dearest ally. Afterall, you always claimed that you have as much say as your bigger ally in MK, and that you are not just mindless puppet and moronic meatshield.

[quote name='Dilber' timestamp='1340803000' post='2998314'] Maybe NPO just dislikes VE and GOD. That's impossible though. I'm seriously jealous. [/quote] Nope. As they said, this is the war they do not want. They said it loud and clear that this time they are just gonna be a good stupid boy, answering their allies [i]"call for help"[/i], even though they know first hand, that ally do not actually needs the help. http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=111472&st=0 [quote name='Brehon' timestamp='1339642834' post='2982605'] Having gone through that gauntlet, we cannot in good faith ever support similar unwarranted action against other alliances, even if they are ones we traditionally have had our differences with.[b] In that regard, the Order finds itself very concerned and upset with MK's reasoning for their aggression.[/b] [b]This is a war we do not want. [/b] Our stake in this conflict is not about positioning ourselves politically, not about being an attack dog [i][color="#4169E1"](well, you are an attack dog, dude. Just saying that you are not, does not make you not an attack dog. It is your action that define what you are.)[/color][/i], and not about taking out an enemy. Our only desire is defending our allies [color="#4169E1"][i](lol, big joke, do your so called allies actually need you defending them?)[/i].[/color] [i]Brehon, Emperor of the New Pacific Order Sword of the Order bakamitai, Imperial Regent of the New Pacific Order[/i] [/quote]

Well, whoever arrange/plan this war is a genius. Seeing both NPO and VE have very little love for MK, one would expect that these two alliances would later ended up against MK and allies. But somehow, these two idiots are played and now ended up fighting against each other, instead. The evil master is laughing behind the scene. Good job. @VE: I respect your decision to come to GOD defense. @NPO: What were you thinking? Are you actually think that NG asked your help because they really need your assistance? If today, they are cornered against difficult odds, then helping them will be a honorable things to do, and their request for the help will be a genuine one, as well. Now, you know you are walking stupidly right into their scenario. NPO needs better leader, the one that can think and play. Oh my,

[quote name='ChairmanHal' timestamp='1339991738' post='2987122'] I think you'll find it will be just as effective as the war declarations that insists on including cute puppies, unicorns, ax wielding warriors, or some video from a death metal camp no one outside to Copenhagen has ever heard of. Good luck, I have faith in you...even if you are a bunch of Commie atheists! [/quote] Not long ago we at Kaskus received the notification (by extension) from the International that we will join the war soon. Seven days has passed since then, so I am sure the wait won't be long anymore. Nordreich, you better prepare to apologize and be ready to pay huge amount of reps to LSF soon. Because the International will definitely go in and beat the crap out of you. They are not joking around, and they definitely are not a joke.

[quote name='HailSatan' timestamp='1340323203' post='2992270'] You do know this isn't a DoW, right ? [/quote] My bad. Lol. Sorry.. i am confused to see your war flag.

Helping your friend beating up the poor guy in a relatively easy war? Seriously, what are you damn so proud about? You make no achievement here. Any honor and victor come out of this war, they are not yours to claim. Come quick to the rescue of your allies who are in dire needs of your help, defend them in a difficult war, that will be something to be proud about. Are you really helping the alliance who once stomp you every other months? Have you chosen to give up the fight against the Karma and MK and decided to side with them as one of their clown? Sorry for the harsh comments, but as someone who still love you guys alot, this is necessary. Also, hi Kenny!!

Congratulations, Polaris. All the best wishes for you. You are a truly great alliance.

[quote name='Stewie' timestamp='1337089592' post='2967696'] (Unkajo has gone to GOD's "The Seraphims" AA EDIT: Dammit, it's another NEW Scenario [/quote] Not really know what you mean by this. I do not see how this is comparable to the NEW scenario. Many at NEW are still respecting you for what you did for them during Fark-NEW war. You are definitely better friend than others NEW's allies who fold and surrender within one week. Do not be too surprise if one day when you are in one of your darkest moment, you see NEW members jumping in to help you. On another note, I have never seen a newly formed group cracked so fast like this. Also, funny to see the founding fathers of this tough warrior type alliance runs like a group of frightened rat in the first sign of trouble. Unkajo was acting tough and loud few weeks ago, why the sudden change? edit: sorry for posting twice instead of editing my older post.

[quote name='Zoomzoomzoom' timestamp='1337125507' post='2967857'] The Combine will be our next UPN/SOS [/quote] It looks strange to me that Non Grata would issue a threat like this before the actual military operation. With this, I would have to say that the actual military operation against the Combine is not actually going to happen. Not going to happen soon, at least. Otherwise, we will not see them threatening instead of just declaring. Anyhow, I may be interested for a joint operation against them if this does happen. That, if you do not mind.

Damn! Is this serious? You were a damn fine alliance!

[quote name='Cataduanes' timestamp='1336567174' post='2965463'] Whoa your alive Han! Thanks Kababayan [/quote] Congrats , friend. You will do great.

Congratulations. Looks good. A lot of familiar and friendly faces.

Thank you for all your help , Alterego. To all others that has offered aid to Mongols and Kaskus, thank you.

[quote name='Roquentin' timestamp='1336277433' post='2964328'] Considering it says pm for peace and Archon made it clear that it's only into effect now, it's not a dramatic turn of events. Also doubtful. [/quote] Go ahead. Try your luck by announcing protection over an alliance Non Grata is currently raiding. And put there in bold and all caps saying that it is only into effect now. Any normal day, you will see more raids on that particular alliance, basically just to tell you to !@#$ off. It is a common knowledge that they do not appreciate people stepping in into their business and try to be a hero. Polar tried it once, it did not turn out great for them.

[quote name='Archon' timestamp='1336274353' post='2964298'] (An exegesis: The alliance affiliation 'Mushqaeda' and those currently unused which represent the other Mushroom Kingdom factions are hereby contained within the dominion of the Mushroom Kingdom. Those who wear them bear our standard until such time as we decide they do not.) [/quote] Non Grata will not appreciate you announcing protection over the target they are raiding. But perhaps, they will cut you some slack out of courtesy and mercy for an ally. If you think they will back off because they are outgunned by your military and political influence, you are largely mistaken. They could have crushed you with a thumb. Era has changed. Now, Non Grata is a much greater player than you.

[quote name='Stewie' timestamp='1335868637' post='2961552'] Looks like the NG-Kaskus war in October is off. Sorry R & tan [/quote] We should talk about it. [quote name='Steve Buscemi' timestamp='1335879122' post='2961590'] So Kaskus know they are being used by you for some odd PR stunt? [/quote] I do not catch what you meant 100%, but I guess you were saying that they are trying to gain some positive PR by allying themselves to us? If so, well, this is good for both of us. We need them, to be frank. From the strategic point of view, we are at our weakest point in this rebuilding phase. It will be difficult for us to afford an effective self defense should a foreign party decided to launch attacks against us. Although GOD do not actually assist us in the last war, we very much enjoy and appreciate them leading the group of people who pointed and laughed at GOONS performance in the war against two micros. GOD do this openly and without hesitation, while many who actually supported us do not even dare to speak up and pick a clear side because they fear of the retribution if they were to offend GOONS. I look at GOD very positively because of this, they have the balls and they are not afraid to toss them around. [quote name='Daimos' timestamp='1335883793' post='2961611'] This is a great pick from GOD late into the rounds. Kaskus has proven to have early round talent the last time we saw them play. I rated them high on my board. They slip this late because of their size, lack of exposure and minor league competition but have proven themselves during the last war and at the combine that they are ready for the big leagues. They are an absolute terror one on one and are willing to mix it up with the big boys. Expect Kaskus to give it all and to keeps it’s motor running until the whistle blows. A virtual steal from GOD! I rate it an A+ pick. Mel Kiper Jr. ESPN NFL draft guru [/quote] Thank you, friend. But to be honest, Mongols did a big part in the last war. With a drop of 9-15M every 10 days, they became the real nightmare to many unprepared GOONS members. In fact, they declared more offensive then we did. [quote name='Unknown Smurf' timestamp='1335889758' post='2961648'] Noooooooooooooooooooo Cancel the treaty. [/quote] Friend, you are perhaps one among the crowd who are under the influence of the propaganda lead by Doom House and co. In this political world, one side will always try to paint the other side negatively for political gain. They will find a single mistake, and blow it out of proportion. If you have no personal quarrel with them, do not believe in all you heard and join the hate group. Remember, these people who want to paint them bad, have their own agenda. They have something to gain. Do not let yourselves being used by them. But if you have personal quarrel with them, by all means, join the propaganda effort. But be sure to know what you are doing, and why. Do not join the mass hysteria. You have to always filter the information you received and develop an independent thought. [quote name='Sardonic' timestamp='1335899943' post='2961711'] But I digress, I know what I saw, I saw Mongols' leader wanting the conflict to end, and unable to because of Kaskus' continued desire to fight. You should probably keep an eye on that sort of thing. Take it or leave it. [/quote] I think I am the main advocate behind the decision to continue the war with GOONS instead of surrendering. So let me answer and explain the situation plainly and frankly here. The first demand of reps from GOONS was something around 500 million if I remembered correctly. When I saw that demand, I heard many laughters in my head. It was just too funny. Seeing how they fought the war, we predicted that they would not last a few more week. Instead of asking for 500 millions, they should have felt lucky if we decided to let them go without reps. At that moment, we were declaring more wars to GOONS and were constantly out of anarchy and were able to slip to peace mode regularly. We were not the one who needed peace. We talked with Mongols leader, and we agreed that at that point, we were doing much more damage to GOONS than GOONS to us. So we should continue the war. Besides, if we were to pay, we should make every cent of it worth it. I think the doubt whether we should accept peace or not arose when Unknown Smurf brought in the new "generous offer" from GOONS. GOONS was offering 177 millions, and Smurf promises to take the offer to us to consider. At that point, Smurf told us that it is Sardonic last offer, and if we were to reject, they would bring in Pandora Box and we would never see peace ever again. Well, the prospect of never ever see peace again certainly discourage many of our members and mongols. And many were considering to surrender. But, knowing that Non Grata had rejected GOONS request for help previously, I knew that GOONS did not really have a lot of support in this. Besides, if they were to bring in Pandora Box, I doubt the Pandora Box would let them wage eternal war on us. The moment they bring in their bigger brother in Pandora Box, they lost effective control over the resolution of the war. After sharing this point of view with Kaskus and Mongols leader, we decided to reject the reps demand again. We agreed to let GOONS bring in the Pandora Box and see what would happen. There is no point of worrying about something that does not even happen yet. After the Pandora Box enter, and seeing how we cannot longer have upper hand over GOONS, we quickly decided to find a way to peace. Through a few message exchange with Il Impero Romano of the Viridian Entente, we achieve peace. The extra 3M for 50 tech conversion clause really help us out, which is one among many reasons why Viridian Entente gain great respect from us in this. [quote name='Zoomzoomzoom' timestamp='1335906322' post='2961755'] Never thought I'd see this from Kaskus. [/quote] Read the post above for more info. You should visit us more often. [quote name='Xiphosis' timestamp='1335922380' post='2961937'] I see this got fun in my absence, such is life. Few points of clarification: for the individuals who feel Kaskus is being 'used' here for a PR stunt, please be aware that they offered us the treaty, and not visa versa. Sardonic was consulted to make sure he understood the treaty was not intended as an attack on GOONS itself, regardless of the insults I lobbed GOONS' way for their handling of the conflict, and he made it clear to me that while he didn't particularly think the tie was [b]wise[/b] the GOONS-Kaskus drama was nonetheless over, and he had no intention of attempting to block their political progress in the post-war. That's commendable, and this topic does not need to degenerate into arguing between us. His post regarding not getting burned was not a threat, although it's incredibly easy to see how it could be taken that way, as I'm sure he'll spot immediately if he goes and rereads the post. Rather, it's a continuation of an evaluation he offered privately that Kaskus reflected some of NEW's unstable behavior and might eventually drag GOD into a conflict recklessly. I understand where that comes from entirely and it was fair advice. However, GOD has been talking to Kaskus for a long time now and we don't consider them reckless. They drove right into a wall set up by a very large bloc to honor an MDP with an alliance that realpolitically made no sense to defend, and did a fairly universally considered excellent job at that same defense. We're honored to have them as allies, and I hope with that we can bring the topic back to an amicable discussion. [/quote] Friend, if you want to have some insight into the reason behind our "stubbornness", refer to the paragraphs above this. Anyone with good head and a ball will see no point of surrendering when we were essentially still winning. [quote name='Spaarlaamp' timestamp='1335926631' post='2962016'] I have to say, I'm disappointed in you Kaskus. [/quote] Don't be, friend. We do what is best for us. You sure you have clear reason to be friend GOONS and to hate GOD?

Hurrah.

I have the medals. Thank you all for helping.

[quote name='Lurunin' timestamp='1335623531' post='2960414'] I honestly don't know but I'm finding it hilarious the people who are only now making their hate of NG known on the world stage AFTER they leave PB [/quote] What? Half of PB worth was derived from the Non Grata. If there was anyone one should fear off in PB, it was NG.

[quote name='Tromp' timestamp='1335540475' post='2960106'] I'm mostly sleeping in this world, but I wake up from time to time. And certainly not going anywhere soon. That's irrelevant to the point I'm making here. Also, it's damn hilarious (in a way) seeing this happen. Hindsight 20/20 for some)! [/quote] Good to see you around, Tromp. But it is sad to see you parted from your brothers in NG.

A few designers have submit their works, too bad it is not really what we want. The dimension does not really matter I think. If possible please use the basic design here: [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20081024174302/cybernations/images/0/08/NEWMedalMinistry.jpg[/img] The basic design, I would like to see a cracked/destroyed GOONS grenade or a something that symbolize that GOONS almost got utterly destroyed. Thank you for your interest. Sorry for cannot answer sooner.

A very strange world.