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Are those two people still members of OJ?

Zenith Applicant is not unaligned. As with most applicant AA's, an attack on the applicants is an attack on the parent alliance. your reasoning is inaccurate. second, GOD did nothing for a year to KM and now wants to do something. If it was that pressing to need KM to either be PZIed or reroll, then they should have done something much earlier. This seems more of a vendetta because they waited for KM to build up at least some before deciding they wanted him on their PZI list. third, if no evidence of any sort of OOC relevance was brought up by Xiph, before and now, then it means nothing. Xiph cannot prove the reason for his ZI and the fact that the person supposedly OOC stalked Xiph has nothing to do with KM. Fact is, nothing in this thread has done much to aid Xiph or GOD. All the rantings by RIA members and GOD members mean nothing. To be honest, the fact that Slayer and TBB are supporting KM despite the past hostilities between KM and TPF shows more of this situation than Xiph or GOD or RIA does. Frankly, if Xiph had any amount of legitimacy, i would highly suspect that TPF would have thrown KM to the wolves without a second thought. The fact that they have not done so.....

i read the first 6 pages and really only saw GOD bawwwing over the fact that they now wish to ZI (unless that has been worked out already....) when they did not say anything nor aid in any way his ZI earlier. Frankly, i think some sort of statute of limitations needs to be made. Also, the reasoning is quite crappy and i agree with Das Girl in it being largely an ego-stroke to Xiph.

i am pretty sure LE joined due to the 4 nukes that OJ obviously felt needed to be launched against RD due to the tremendous gap RD had on OJ in every way (NS, ANS, Nukes, Members).

yar. stupid playing nice type peoples.... next round it will have to be.

man, i joined RD just to take a nuke and i did not. Strykewolf lied to me. I r a sad Rodent.

congrats to -A- and RoK.

looking good NV. also, Voodoo and Shilly?!?!?!?!?!?! hehehe. congrats to the newly elected.

congrats to Polaris and Genesis. it is heartwarming to see two friends treaty each other again.

i am supposed to care why? you have OOC issues with Ryan, then keep it OOC. I do not blur the line. In game i do not like you much. OOCwise, i do not care about you. Frankly, Ryan is a fool and has made mistakes but MA is giving him a chance to straighten up. You are a fool for continuing to be hostile when most have stopped. You seem to think you are cool but in reality you are not. Heck, i am willing to stay at this NS just so you can catch up. Then we can play just you and me. No Grämlins and no RLMMO or TOP. you game?

if only Soda were not out of range. @Choader- Soda got it out of GDI. that is not exactly an accomplishment. almost anyone could get GDI to surrender singlehandedly.

hahahaha. whatever dude. you have been trashing Ryan, yet i don't see you attacking him now do i? take your own advice before you think you can hand it out to me.

heh, you are lucky to be a TOP protectorate and the fact that i am unable to raid alliances and that you are too small for me. RyanGDI may not be that savvy in CN but you are just a jerk.

i am 978 days old as of today between my two nations. shoot i just remember it took me over a year to get to 30k NS due to wars and then getting nuked. Then it took me almost another year to break 40k NS. and i still have not broken 50k NS.

congrats to ARES and Polaris.

awesome treaty is awesome. congrats to GR and Polaris.

congrats to Athens and KoC.

good read, though unfortunately i have to find myself agreeing with Count Silva on one thing. Science only needs at least 1 of the 5 basic senses in order to work. If one has sight, then one can objectively look upon something, especially statistics, to verify something else. If one looked at a red rose, you would know it was a red rose even if you did not touch it or smell it. Just like one can see a tree and know it was a tree regardless of touching it, tasting it, smelling it, or hearing it. so to state that you need all 5 senses in order to achieve legitimate science is untrue. to verify completely you may need multiple senses but you can achieve science with only one of your 5 senses. @Silva- all those examples you described (i.e. mapping the stars, lava temp, etc) uses the sense of sight to verify what the mechanical instruments are telling that scientist.

i am still 45 days shy of 1000 days in CN.

for one, wow, using the "i fixed that for you" bit. so eloquent..... two, don't care about last round as each round is separate from the last. three, BW got raided as basically every single alliance gets raided in CN:TE. BW decided to bring in allies, NAAW offered peace. BW rejected wanting to teach NAAW a lesson. BW got bullied and when the table was turned in their favor, decided to bully the bully. if BW was in fact against bullying of any sort, ya'll would have accepted the peace offered by NAAW instead of escalating the war by bringing in your allies. see, BW became the aggressor the moment they rejected peace and asked their friends to join in stomping NAAW. frankly, i find your argument amusing. again, i point to metal, whom i quoted in the initial post. i responded to what he said. and the fact that you continue to state that i am starting this up again is quite ridiculous. both sides are in the wrong because both sides at one point were the bullies.

what happens is that no more nations are allowed to be created on 1/26/09. any nations created prior to that date still exist. as for the reset, when a reset occurs all nations are deleted. you create a new nation on the day the tournament reopens.

yes, i am starting it up again. /end sarcasm. i am actually just pointing out that BW does not have any moral footing to stand on because i am tired of coming on to these forums and seeing BW claim how moralistic they are. does it matter why NAAW offered peace the first time? no, it really doesn't. what matters is that they offered peace. would that insincere peace resulted in less destruction? yes. did the sincere rejection by BW cause more destruction to nations? yes. did BW use their allies to amass a larger coalition than NAAW for the sole purpose of attempting to destroy NAAW? yes. BW offered peace but it was as insincere as NAAW's. then BW spent days bawwwing on these forums and claiming some moral high ground because NAAW rejected the peace BW gave. please. if BW would stop with the moral highground and stop bringing it up themselves (such as me RESPONDING to metal) then no one else would say anything.

if you are talking to me, i am not seeking to blame anyone. just stating that BW is not as blameless as metal (whom i quoted) wants to make ya'll out to be. Neither is BW as high on the moral standing as ya'll seem to want to make yourselves. i honestly don't care what it took to get peace done. Both sides rejected white peace. NAAW hit BW for BW defending themselves. NAAW loses moral high ground. BW gathers allies to help defend BW. NAAW hears of this gathering and offers white peace. BW rejects white peace and allows allies to tear into NAAW. BW loses moral high ground. BW offers white peace the next day to NAAW. NAAW rejects white peace. Neither side still have no moral high ground to stand on. that is basically what i said above.

hmmmmm..... If ensuring that your alliance is no longer bullied, i would think once white peace was offered (even if it was conveniently after the rumors started flying of allies coming in) then you should have accepted it. The fact that BW continued to bring in their allies and escalate the war even farther by not accepting white peace, seems that they wanted to "bully" NAAW into accepting their peace terms vs actually just standing up to a bully. Take for example the recent war with FARK and LPE. while it is unknown exactly which side started it, that war was quickly settled and FARK offered white peace to LPE. While we have no allies to bring in, i do believe that if we did, and white peace was issued before those alliances entered, LPE would have accepted it vs continuing with the war. (not saying that FARK is a bully alliance just stating that FARK is far larger than LPE.) so again, BW uses her allies to basically form a larger alliance against NAAW (i.e. more NS, more nations, and far more nukes) and then basically tells NAAW to accept their white peace, despite NAAW offering white peace the day before. and i do agree it does take two to "go" or "stop", but i don't blame NAAW for not accepting peace from BW, when BW basically spit upon the terms NAAW offered since they knew they had allies coming in who would stomp NAAW. it seems all the criticism from the BW camp against NAAW and Judgement can be said about BW. if you truly wished to take the moral high ground against bully alliances, you would not have formed a coalition against NAAW, but simply accepted peace and shown through your actions that bully's can suffer consequences for their actions. it would have been shown through your allies readying themselves for war that smaller alliances can have friends ready and willing to show a larger alliance that they will stand up for themselves.

tbh, this is a free for all. larger alliances raid smaller alliances all the time. i am in a small alliance, and i have seen many of the top 10 alliances raiding the alliance i am in routinely. the only thing that upsets me, is if a small alliance gets threatened for triple-teaming the raider or has war declared on them for defending the victim.