Lynneth Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 OOC: http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showuser=23305 Cody Seb is banned, and apparently doesn't have a nation anymore ingame. BRB, Baden-Württemberg and Switzerland. Of course, if he appeals and it's accepted, I will give him Rheinmark back, that should be obvious. IC: "It seems that the Rheinmark's government has fallen into sudden and unexpected chaos. The GDR is thus sending troops that man the border into the country to see if the government is still there, and if it can be brought back into action. Until then, the Rheinmark is a protectorate of the German Democratic Republic, being our neighbours and Germans as we are." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 The Holy American Empire supports our friends on preserving stability in such a dangerous continent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of cochin Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 The Kingdom of Cochin congratulates and supports German Democratic Republic on maintaining stability in Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 The Republic of Finland supports this action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acca Dacca Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Thank you for preserving stability. The German Democratic Republic has our support in this matter. OOC: Mr. Lynneth, I seem to have misplaced your nation's leaders. Mind having thier signature on this under your seal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Ferdinand Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 "The state of Lübeck supports the actions of the German Democratic Republic." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Martens Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 We have a Mutual Defense Pact with Rheinmark, therefore it is our responsability to manage the area, and not the GDR, especially since months earlier the same GDR soldiers under a different banner had been in a state of war with Rheinmark. Because of this, we are sending our own troops to secure the area, with orders of not initiating any conflict with GDR in case that this is not clear. We oppose annexation from any party, whether GDR, ourselves, or any other nations, and instead propose that the area should be instead a German protectorate. If this is unacceptable, we can instead have a Joint Protectorate or otherwise two different Protectorate areas. Rheinmark is a nation which helped us in our times of need, and their people risked their lives to try to save ours from the very troops which are now entering Rheinmark's land. Our pact but additionally our honor does not allow us to look away from this as Rheinmark's sovereignty dissipates. We have a duty to their people. Lastly, Rheinmark has always been a very anti-communist region, their people will not be happy at all to be occupied neither by us nor much less by a Communist nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 "Surely Germany realizes that stepping into the GDR-occupied Rheinmark would be an offencive action by their end? The GDR is much more stable at the moment, seeing how half of Germany's government is being put on trial. I suggest Germany makes sure it itself doesn't collapse and overstretch itself before worrying about the GDR." -President Uberstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Nova Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 (edited) Official EU Announcement "While stability is great for a fallen nation, due to Rheinmark's connection with the EU, we feel it is best that it becomes protected under the EU until such a time it can reform it's own government. As Rheinmark was once an opponent of GDR, we feel it would be a "slap in the face" so to speak to allow their former enemy to have influence over the region. The EU will send in peacekeepers to aid the nation's law enforcement in keeping crime low and send in administrators to aid the region in founding a new government. In addition, we would like to work with Deutschland on keeping this region of Europe safe until they can defend themselves." Edited December 11, 2009 by Voodoo Nova Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 "The EU seems to be making the same mistake they did when they tried to declare Sweden a protectorate when Norway had the situation solved. The GDR has already sent in peacekeepers and taken the area under it's wing." -President Uberstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted December 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 We have a Mutual Defense Pact with Rheinmark, therefore it is our responsability to manage the area, and not the GDR, especially since months earlier the same GDR soldiers under a different banner had been in a state of war with Rheinmark.Because of this, we are sending our own troops to secure the area, with orders of not initiating any conflict with GDR in case that this is not clear. We oppose annexation from any party, whether GDR, ourselves, or any other nations, and instead propose that the area should be instead a German protectorate. If this is unacceptable, we can instead have a Joint Protectorate or otherwise two different Protectorate areas. Rheinmark is a nation which helped us in our times of need, and their people risked their lives to try to save ours from the very troops which are now entering Rheinmark's land. Our pact but additionally our honor does not allow us to look away from this as Rheinmark's sovereignty dissipates. We have a duty to their people. Lastly, Rheinmark has always been a very anti-communist region, their people will not be happy at all to be occupied neither by us nor much less by a Communist nation. "GDR troops are already securing key locations. The populace is less opposed to us moving in than expected, though there obviously are protests. We are not the HRE. We are no monarchists, no democrats. We're rational, communist technologists. With our help, the people of the Rheinmark can gain access to technological advances they'd otherwise only dream of. This is why we will not let Deutschland's troops past ours. Also, we won't annex, and are not planning to do so. It's a GDR protectorate." Official EU Announcement "While stability is great for a fallen nation, due to Rheinmark's connection with the EU, we feel it is best that it becomes protected under the EU until such a time it can reform it's own government. As Rheinmark was once an opponent of GDR, we feel it would be a "slap in the face" so to speak to allow their former enemy to have influence over the region. The EU will send in peacekeepers to aid the nation's law enforcement in keeping crime low and send in administrators to aid the region in founding a new government. In addition, we would like to work with Deutschland on keeping this region of Europe safe until they can defend themselves." "Unless you can somehow gain access through one of the four nations surrounding Rheinmark - one of which is us, another the isolationist italians - your troops will be unable to reach the GDR protectorate. Also, they were no opponent of the GDR. They were opposed to the "Holy" Emperor, and the HRE. As we told our northern neighbours, we're no monarchists or anything. We've changed considerably." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malatose Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 "The EU seems to be making the same mistake they did when they tried to declare Sweden a protectorate when Norway had the situation solved. The GDR has already sent in peacekeepers and taken the area under it's wing." -President Uberstein This is a much different situation. Rheinmark is a former Eurasian Union member. We feel that they belong under our wing, than that of a rogue state, which commits aggression actions anytime they see fit. Not to mention, Rheinmark was just at war with this very state months ago. How do you think the civilian population feels? I wouldn't feel safe with Bavarian troops marching around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 This is a much different situation. Rheinmark is a former Eurasian Union member. We feel that they belong under our wing, than that of a rogue state, which commits aggression actions anytime they see fit. Not to mention, Rheinmark was just at war with this very state months ago. How do you think the civilian population feels? I wouldn't feel safe with Bavarian troops marching around. "It is not the same state, the GDR is different from the HRE. Or should we all judge Dalmatia by the fact that they have a Visari in charge?" -President Uberstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malatose Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 "It is not the same state, the GDR is different from the HRE. Or should we all judge Dalmatia by the fact that they have a Visari in charge?" -President Uberstein You could judge us all you want. The fact is, the GDR is invading an EU state, which could be seen in direct violation of their NAP with Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The FSM Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 As the inevitable march of time progresses, nations change. Leaders change, minds change, policies change, even attitudes towards different nations change. Simply because Rheinmark and GDR were enemies in the past does not mean they are necessarily enemies now. Rather than competing over who gets to administer the land and promoting tensions perhaps the EU should try to work with the GDR in their stated mission of ensuring the people of that nation are protected from any attempted land grabs. EU and GDR stabilization efforts need not be mutually exclusive, there is plenty of room for cooperation in this situation and I would implore the involved parties to take advantage of that fact. -Steward Jean d'Aosta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 You could judge us all you want. The fact is, the GDR is invading an EU state, which could be seen in direct violation of their NAP with Europe. "It is not an invasion if that state does not exist. Rheinmark's government has collapsed." -President Uberstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The FSM Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 "It is not an invasion if that state does not exist. Rheinmark's government has collapsed." -President Uberstein The GDR is sending in its forces to stabilize Rheinmark for precisely the reason President Uberstein states. If their government had not collapsed then GDR would have had no reason or need to send its troops on this mission. I find I must concur with my Finnish colleague. The GDR is on a mission of peace, not of war. -Steward Jean d'Aosta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AironthFlamewing Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 "We in North America though removed from our European colleagues do support the GDR in this matter" -Dr. Phillip Roger Stroud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 This is a much different situation. Rheinmark is a former Eurasian Union member. We feel that they belong under our wing, than that of a rogue state, which commits aggression actions anytime they see fit. Not to mention, Rheinmark was just at war with this very state months ago. How do you think the civilian population feels? I wouldn't feel safe with Bavarian troops marching around. Like that one time this large group of nations attacked a newly formed one just for saying they would like to see the maps in a certain way? We can understand why the EU doesn't want it to be protected by such rogues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mergerberger II Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Like that one time this large group of nations attacked a newly formed one just for saying they would like to see the maps in a certain way? We can understand why the EU doesn't want it to be protected by such rogues. Please be more specific. What group of nations attacked a newly formed nation just for saying they would like to see the maps a certain way, Argie? The RSSN supports either the EU or Deutschland in their efforts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Please be more specific. What group of nations attacked a newly formed nation just for saying they would like to see the maps a certain way, Argie?The RSSN supports either the EU or Deutschland in their efforts. It seems the EU records don't remember their own wars, the unjust war against the Holy Roman Empire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mergerberger II Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 It seems the EU records don't remember their own wars, the unjust war against the Holy Roman Empire. Yes, because being intentionally vague and directly referencing no one definitely leaves absolutely no room for misinterpretation, and therefore anyone that would want clarification is obviously a moron, Argie. The RSSN was not in the EU at the time of the war against the Holy Roman Empire, and therefore we do not feel the need to justify it to you, Argie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 (edited) Yes, because being intentionally vague and directly referencing no one definitely leaves absolutely no room for misinterpretation, and therefore anyone that would want clarification is obviously a moron, Argie.The RSSN was not in the EU at the time of the war against the Holy Roman Empire, and therefore we do not feel the need to justify it to you, Argie. The same people who populated your lands were, also where in there did I specifically ask the RSSN? To me it looked more like a general observation of the actions of your friends. Edited December 11, 2009 by Centurius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mergerberger II Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 The same people who populated your lands were, also where in there did I specifically ask the RSSN? To me it looked more like a general observation of the actions of your friends. No one in the Netherlands was ever in the Eurasian Union, and since we are now in the Eurasian Union, you did ask us, Argie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 No one in the Netherlands was ever in the Eurasian Union, and since we are now in the Eurasian Union, you did ask us, Argie. The former government wasn't in the EU but they sure joined in on the bandwagon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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