Incomprehensible Filth

So you deny that people on your side thought that NPOs bailing was chicken!@#$?

Well I didn't say that, and as nippy said I wasn't around for that, so no comment.

To be honest, I'd lose respect for PC and iFOK if they did defend NEW. They've had this coming for a long damn time.

greenacres for PC Viceroy.

Not really a good analogy, considering the circumstances.

It's the same situation, NEW asked PC and iFOK to not honor defensive obligations and NSO asked NPO et al. to not honor defensive obligations. What's different?

Infra before Friends, if NEW had attacked a protectorate of an alliance not in PB/MK/CnG sphere of influence I`m pretty sure that the result would be very different(See Red Safari). Just shows how much people are addicted with power.

It's the same situation, NEW asked PC and iFOK to not honor defensive obligations and NSO asked NPO et al. to not honor defensive obligations. What's different?

Well the difference is that NSO did it so that they could play the victim.

anyone who is claiming infrastructure before friends that also resides in any of the orders, any alliance that was once in WUT or Q, or any alliance that dropped a treaty to conveniently stay out of, or in order to join the winning side of a conflict, needs to shut up.

D34th, I'm looking at you.

anyone who is claiming infrastructure before friends that also resides in any of the orders, any alliance that was once in WUT or Q, or any alliance that dropped a treaty to conveniently stay out of, or in order to join the winning side of a conflict, needs to shut up.

D34th, I'm looking at you.

Please enlighten me when New Polar Order dropped a treaty to conveniently stay out of, or in order to join the winning side of a conflict, in fact people hate us because we honored our treaties and fought in both sides of last war, now if you are talking about WUT time I wasn`t here(in polaris) as you know and you also know that Polaris wasn`t part of Q.

Please enlighten me when New Polar Order dropped a treaty to conveniently stay out of, or in order to join the winning side of a conflict, in fact people hate us because we honored our treaties and fought in both sides of last war, now if you are talking about WUT time I wasn`t here(in polaris) as you know and you also know that Polaris wasn`t part of Q.

You need to brush up on your history, or at least stop reading the textbooks that are written by NpO.

You have no business saying anything here.

You need to brush up on your history, or at least stop reading the textbooks that are written by NpO.

You have no business saying anything here.

In other words you have nothing to say.

In other words you have nothing to say.

No, you simply have no business saying what you're saying, and you seem to be ignorant of your own alliance's history. Hell, even recent history. You can criticize all you want, but claiming friends before infrastructure is just absurd coming from your mouth, and I suggest you shut it.

No, you simply have no business saying what you're saying, and you seem to be ignorant of your own alliance's history. Hell, even recent history. You can criticize all you want, but claiming friends before infrastructure is just absurd coming from your mouth, and I suggest you shut it.

I`m ignorant? So I`ll repeat: please enlighten me when New Polar Order dropped a treaty to conveniently stay out of, or in order to join the winning side of a conflict, or the best thing that you have to say are "Shut up!"?

Well the difference is that NSO did it so that they could play the victim.

No, it wasn't. You don't seem to understand what it meant for them to ask that, because you don't understand the essence of a power struggle. Playing the victim had nothing to do with it.

I`m ignorant? So I`ll repeat: please enlighten me when New Polar Order dropped a treaty to conveniently stay out of, or in order to join the winning side of a conflict, or the best thing that you have to say are "Shut up!"?

How about FAN? Conveniently dropped, isolated, and attacked.

And the point was every !@#$@#$ alliance you can name has done it, yours is not the exception to the rule. If there are exceptions to the rule, I'm pretty certain those exceptions would be FAN and NEW, so come on, don't say a damn word about friends before infrastructure.

No, it wasn't. You don't seem to understand what it meant for them to ask that, because you don't understand the essence of a power struggle. Playing the victim had nothing to do with it.

What it meant? It meant their allies didn't have to go to war because of NSO's incompetence. Just like in this war it meant that PC and iFOK didn't get dragged into a war simply because NEW is too stubborn to accept that what they did was wrong.

Please enlighten me when New Polar Order dropped a treaty to conveniently stay out of, or in order to join the winning side of a conflict, in fact people hate us because we honored our treaties and fought in both sides of last war, now if you are talking about WUT time I wasn`t here(in polaris) as you know and you also know that Polaris wasn`t part of Q.

We don't hate you because you fulfilled all your treaty obligations, we "hate" you because you decided to stab the people who went to bat for you in the back quite gloriously and deliberately to ensure the side you fought against victory only to find yourself pitted against them in the likely upcoming war as well. That's okay though, I'm sure you can find a way to treaty the other side and join them when the going gets tough again.

People are knocking two alliances for not riding in on an oA when it is clear that the aggressor is in the wrong. What have we come to?

Optional Aggression would apply if NEW asked them to participate in the raiding of DF. Instead there's a handful of alliances attacking NEW, which to any other person would activate the defensive clause of the treaty. It's a convenient twist and while I can agree NEW acted irresponsibly it's still a dick move. But I'm confident NEW will come out of this all right, even if bruised and battered.

anyone who is claiming infrastructure before friends that also resides in any of the orders, any alliance that was once in WUT or Q, or any alliance that dropped a treaty to conveniently stay out of, or in order to join the winning side of a conflict, needs to shut up.

D34th, I'm looking at you.

I'm calling Infra before Friends.

See, if the situation was reversed and it was iFOK or PC who had done this !@#$, NEW wouldn't have even hesitated in defending them.

All of you who decry PB as cowards will be the first against the wall when the real revolution comes.

Get them up against the wall!

Are there any queers in the audience tonight?

Get them up against the wall!

There's one in the spotlight, he don't look right

Have him up against the wall!

That one looks Jewish!

And that one's a coon!

Who let all of this riff-raff into the room?

There's one smoking a joint,

And that has spots

If I had my way,

I'd have all of you shot!

I'm calling Infra before Friends.

See, if the situation was reversed and it was iFOK or PC who had done this !@#$, NEW wouldn't have even hesitated in defending them.

You make it sound like iFOK and PC didn't want to help, and that NEW didn't ask them to sit it out.

You make it sound like iFOK and PC didn't want to help, and that NEW didn't ask them to sit it out.

Well, more and more evidence points to the contrary. And NEW's other allies certainly don't seem to have a problem either fighting anyway or you know, being honorable and actually doing what NEW actually asked of them.

You make it sound like iFOK and PC didn't want to help, and that NEW didn't ask them to sit it out.

I wonder why the same request wasn't asked of WFF and FEAR?

If iFOK and PC wanted to help, they're free to do so. Nothing is stopping them. (well okay, iFOK has their hands tied cause of a treaty clash, but PC is free to help)

people hate us because we honored our treaties and fought in both sides of last war,

That's a very rosy view of what happened in the war.

Reminder that NEW didn't just mess up their raid, they refused to acknowledge that they messed up or pay reps after the fact, despite almost everyone telling them that they did.

How about FAN? Conveniently dropped, isolated, and attacked.

And the point was every !@#$@#$ alliance you can name has done it, yours is not the exception to the rule. If there are exceptions to the rule, I'm pretty certain those exceptions would be FAN and NEW, so come on, don't say a damn word about friends before infrastructure.

STA, GPA, TDO, GOP, Silence, NV, Genesis, just off the top of my head. RoK, TOOL and IAA as well if memory serves me correctly. And of course FAN. There's plenty of alliances with a sense of honor and commitment. It's just sad that it's the exception and not the rule.