Incomprehensible Filth

awesome!

You are clearly just a warmonger.

But we all are, so its okay.

You are clearly just a warmonger.

But we all are, so its okay.

I neither confirm nor deny that accusation.

All of you who decry PB as cowards will be the first against the wall when the real revolution comes.

Hear hear!

That blog post was downright logical!

Something that is very much absent on the OWF these days.

All of you who decry PB as cowards will be the first against the wall when the real revolution comes.

When the war is definitely in your favour amirite?

You know, I haven't agreed too much with MP on the OWF, but with this, I agree entirely.

Shut up, memoryproblems. You're a damn joke and have no business sharing your opinion. Get back in your little box. If you're lucky, you might get some of our table scraps.

e: love youuuuuuuu

You know, I haven't agreed too much with MP on the OWF, but with this, I agree entirely.

Skippy speaks the truth

All of you who decry PB as cowards will be the first against the wall when the real revolution comes.

if ya'll ain't running away that is right? cuz that is what ya'll be doing here. so it appears that PB will be running away from any conflict that ain't a curbstomp massively in their favor.

if ya'll ain't running away that is right? cuz that is what ya'll be doing here. so it appears that PB will be running away from any conflict that ain't a curbstomp massively in their favor.

It's funny how YA'LL folk tend to forget how treaties work whenever it's convenient for YA'LL. YA'LL are a bunch of yappers, YA'LL.

My only issue is that I think NEW deserves better than this. It's disappointing that no one has come to their aid yet, because they're blindingly loyal to all of their treaty partners, and I doubt they've ever hesitated to defend one of them.

edit: I don't hate Pandora's Box, I like them, so please don't assume that I'm against PB here. It's just disappointment at PC, that's all.

Skippy speaks the truth

In my opinion, he does not. But in the end, we are all free to think what we want, no matter how retarded or misinformed that opinion may be.

Good luck and all that jazz.

My only issue is that I think NEW deserves better than this. It's disappointing that no one has come to their aid yet, because they're blindingly loyal to all of their treaty partners, and I doubt they've ever hesitated to defend one of them.

edit: I don't hate Pandora's Box, I like them, so please don't assume that I'm against PB here. It's just disappointment at PC, that's all.

I like NEW, and I'm disappointed that they've gone and done this to themselves. The fact is, this is an offensive war that they've started. Protection was clearly declared over the DF AA, and they decided to test the protectors on their own. Everyone knows this. The mandatory defensive portion of PC's and iFOK's treaties with them does not come into play here.

I like NEW, and I'm disappointed that they've gone and done this to themselves. The fact is, this is an offensive war that they've started. Protection was clearly declared over the DF AA, and they decided to test the protectors on their own. Everyone knows this. The mandatory defensive portion of PC's and iFOK's treaties with them does not come into play here.

I understand that's how treaties work, but NEW and PC were different, at least that was my interpretation of things, because of just how much effort went into obtaining that treaty. It was .. just a formality, that treaty, because of how strong the ties were, how much respect there was for NEW...

NEW and PC were cut from the same cloth, they were brothers more or less, the treaty was just a piece of e-paper, the ties at one point were stronger than that. It's something that I think has been lost on the current PC leadership, and I can't really blame them for that, but it's still disappointing. If this was another alliance, I could see the hesitation, but this is NEW, there really shouldn't have been even a moment of hesitation from PC.

[edit:] I mean, you gotta understand something, we were threatened by TPF on multiple occasions when I was there because of our closeness to NEW, so much so that I had to tell twist to stop trying to get a treaty with them (this was when PC and NEW were both small time, like I think PC had 30 members at the time.. this was a long time ago) The ties between PC and NEW were always strong, so... yeah. It is what it is, but you can see why I'm disappointed.

People are knocking two alliances for not riding in on an oA when it is clear that the aggressor is in the wrong. What have we come to?

NEW attacks DF, triggering INT-Fark-TPE's defense/protectorate clause.

PC and iFOK sat back because it was a bad war to fight for. It's NEW's mistake for doing a very bad raid. Had GOONS or someone else done a bad raid, it's their mistake and none of their oA treaties will protect them.

That said, PC and iFOK will still defend those who just want to curbstomp NEW, which is what any honorable MDP partner should do.

Well goldie, people's opinions change as easy as the wind to suit their current situation. Warmongers want war, PC/iFok are standing in the way of a global war, so therefore we must troll them until they are shamed into making this global!

This argument was stupid when NPO used it and it's stupid now. Ironically, I seem to recall most of you having different opinions when the shoe was on the other foot. It's okay though, most people are hypocrites.

People are knocking two alliances for not riding in on an oA when it is clear that the aggressor is in the wrong. What have we come to?

NEW attacked TPE, FARK, and the International ?

NEW attacked TPE, FARK, and the International ?

NEW attacked DF in an offensive war?

PC and iFOK sat back because it was a bad war to fight for. It's NEW's mistake for doing a very bad raid. Had GOONS or someone else done a bad raid, it's their mistake and none of their oA treaties will protect them.

Here's my opinion on the bolded part. I don't think the situation would be the same if the situation was reversed. In this instance the D > oA, but if the oA > D then I think we all know this would have turned global.

Quick, everyone speculate about "shoe on the other foot" scenarios and use them to support your views on the current situation!

Quick, everyone speculate about "shoe on the other foot" scenarios and use them to support your views on the current situation!

So you deny that people on your side thought that NPOs bailing was chicken!@#$?

So you deny that people on your side thought that NPOs bailing was chicken!@#$?

He wasn't around for that. At the time, I believed it was chicken!@#$, but I also didn't have access to all the information afforded GOONS govt. back then. Not really a good analogy, considering the circumstances.