Voytek Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 [quote name='zoskia' timestamp='1295431499' post='2583628'] Excellent news! I've just read that you've joined the good fight and I'm glad to read it. The new hegemony needs to learn a lesson. [/quote] We already know how to crush bad alliances dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 (edited) Considering IAA is in the war already defending an ally they have a MDoAP with and none of CnG's other allies are fighting for a side in this yet, it will be interesting to see if they decide to help Pandora's Box with an oA treaty chain or help IAA who is fighting to defend an ally. Anyone allied to CnG that enters to assist PB would be doing it with an oA pact, but IAA is already fighting to honor a mutual defense pact and have a MDoAP with Greenland Republic. Edited January 19, 2011 by Methrage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voytek Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 [quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1295433936' post='2583645'] Considering IAA is in the war already defending an ally they have a MDoAP with and none of CnG's other allies are fighting for a side in this yet, it will be interesting to see if they decide to help Pandora's Box with an oA treaty chain or help IAA who is fighting to defend ally. Anyone allied to CnG that enters to assist PB would be doing it with an oA pact, but IAA is already fighting to honor a mutual defense pact and have a MDoAP with Greenland Republic. [/quote] I love how stupidly obtuse people are when it comes to the fact that this is not a defensive war for the other side. Sorry man but it's true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shilo Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 IAA showed us honor, good humor and kindness as opponents, I do hope your opponents will grant you the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 [quote name='Voytek' timestamp='1295434213' post='2583648'] I love how stupidly obtuse people are when it comes to the fact that this is not a defensive war for the other side. Sorry man but it's true. [/quote] Some words said over IRC don't equal a DoW, which is what NpO is being accused of. They didn't declare war on anybody or attack, it was PB who decided what was said over IRC between Lennox and someone in NpO was worth starting a war over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banksy Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 [quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1295433936' post='2583645'] Considering IAA is in the war already defending an ally they have a MDoAP with and none of CnG's other allies are fighting for a side in this yet, it will be interesting to see if they decide to help Pandora's Box with an oA treaty chain or help IAA who is fighting to defend an ally. Anyone allied to CnG that enters to assist PB would be doing it with an oA pact, but IAA is already fighting to honor a mutual defense pact and have a MDoAP with Greenland Republic. [/quote] Welcome to the world of non-chaining treaties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voytek Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 [quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1295434418' post='2583650'] Some words said over IRC don't equal a DoW, which is what NpO is being accused of. They didn't declare war on anybody or attack, it was PB who decided what was said over IRC between Lennox and someone in NpO was worth starting a war over. [/quote] yeah man no biggie just some words over irc like what do they even mean really. what do they even mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1295434597' post='2583651'] Welcome to the world of non-chaining treaties. [/quote] From a treaty perspective they have at least as much reason to help IAA if they want though, I'm not sure what the benefit would be to them in fighting to try furthering PB dominance, who put several allies of CnG in a position where they need to either fight PB or ignore a treaty. Edited January 19, 2011 by Methrage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrnea Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1295434597' post='2583651'] Welcome to the world of non-chaining treaties. [/quote] Except I don't see anything particularly non-chaining about this article from the IAA-GR MDoAP:[quote]4 - Standin up for you, standin up for me I got your back babe. It's what we do for each other. If you/me did/does needs defenin', I/you will help. If you/me does needs to jump someones, you/me could come with and help. We clear? Capisce? Comprender?[/quote] Not a bad effort though, Banksy. Edited January 19, 2011 by Arrnea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terveis Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 [quote]If you/me does needs to jump someones, you/me could come with and help. We clear? Capisce? Comprender?[/quote] There. They attacked iFOK because of their treaty obligations, but still, they attacked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banksy Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 [quote name='Arrnea' timestamp='1295435217' post='2583657'] Except I don't see anything particularly non-chaining about this article from the IAA-GR MDoAP: Not a bad effort though, Banksy. [/quote] All C&G alliances have a policy of treating external treaties as non-chaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1295436118' post='2583670'] All C&G alliances have a policy of treating external treaties as non-chaining. [/quote] I find it interesting that even after MK left CnG you still seem to speak for the bloc, but in the noCB War I don't think they treated them that way. An outside treaty partner of GR got attacked and all of CnG moved in to assist, as well as NpO if I recall correctly. Edited January 19, 2011 by Methrage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 [quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1295436118' post='2583670'] All C&G alliances have a policy of treating external treaties as non-chaining. [/quote] <Arr-nii> Banksy (Re: IAA-GR treaty): Welcome to the world of non-chaining treaties. <Arr-nii> Me: http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=97320&view=findpost&p=2583657 <Arr-nii> I win. <Locke[SOS]> inb4 "all treaties are non-chaning!" I guess I win that one, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrnea Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 (edited) [quote name='terveis' timestamp='1295435636' post='2583663']There. They attacked iFOK because of their treaty obligations, but still, they attacked.[/quote] I'm talking about what happens if IAA gets countered, not suggesting that GR is in any way obligated to declare on iFOK. [quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1295436118' post='2583670']All C&G alliances have a policy of treating external treaties as non-chaining.[/quote] Don't see it in print, but I guess you can interpret it how you will. I wonder if IAA will agree with this interpretation though. [quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1295436882' post='2583680']I find it interesting that even after MK left CnG you still seem to speak for the bloc, but in the noCB War I don't think they treated them that way. An outside treaty partner of GR got attacked and all of CnG moved in to assist, as well as NpO if I recall correctly.[/quote] Edited January 19, 2011 by Arrnea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banksy Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 [quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1295436882' post='2583680'] I find it interesting that even after MK left CnG you still seem to speak for the bloc [/quote] I guess I just know more than you :ms: [quote name='Arrnea' timestamp='1295436996' post='2583682'] Don't see it in print, but I guess you can interpret it how you will. I wonder if IAA will agree with this interpretation though.[/quote] IAA can choose to agree with it if they feel like. But C&G makes its decisions together. If they want to back IAA, they will. If they don't, they wont. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kriekfreak Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Welcome IAA. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monster Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1295437202' post='2583688'] I guess I just know more than you :ms: IAA can choose to agree with it if they feel like. But C&G makes its decisions together. If they want to back IAA, they will. If they don't, they wont. [/quote] The nitpicking, wanton speculation, and wishful thinking on display by certain individuals will change history. This couldn't have possibly been discussed between IAA and its C&G treaty partners before. Edited January 19, 2011 by Antoine Roquentin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Stuart Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 [quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1295436118' post='2583670'] All C&G alliances have a policy of treating external treaties as non-chaining. [/quote] Must be an invisible clause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Horror Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 [B]Founder members of CnG:[/B] This is how CnG treaties work [B]NPO, NSO, SOS Brigade:[/B] I THINK U NEED SOME EDUCATION IN CNG AFFAIRS Lesson #1 of the OWF: your opponents always know your allies policy better than you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amossio Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 LOL, everyone wanted war, now we have it, have fun IAA, LOVE YOU GUYS! O/ IAA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hullean Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 glad to see your colours on the playing field IAA! o/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timeline Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 [quote name='Voytek' timestamp='1295434213' post='2583648'] I love how stupidly obtuse people are when it comes to the fact that this is not a defensive war for the other side. Sorry man but it's true. [/quote] It is also funny how you will twist the words of a treaty just to make it fit what you want it to, no matter how you look at it and even if this CB was real and not a set up, the "attack" would have been on VE and NOT on iFOK, FOK, and PC, sure you can say that those three can to the defence of VE, BUT THERE ACTIONS ARE STILL AGGRESSIVE, but you will just call me stupid and laugh even though you know its the truth. [quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1295436118' post='2583670'] All C&G alliances have a policy of treating external treaties as non-chaining. [/quote] and this means what ?, that GR are going to turn there back on IAA ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Good luck to our former allies. I know you'll come through this, come what may. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mompson Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 o/ Thank you. I am looking forward to fighting aside you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffDaddy Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 It's good to have true friends. o/ IAA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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