Swanfield Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 \m/ is an alliance that is in total disarray, there's no questioning it. The question is, how bad is it? Emperor Marx is a traitor, Caliph is merely his lapdog that goes with everything Marx says or does, whether it be flaunting the fact that they will be raiding an alliance affliction that has long been disbanded or making a mockery of themselves in front of the people of Planet Bob by backing down against STA in a total humiliation fashion. The 3rd Triumvirate, Gerald Meane has been AWOL for months and is rarely present to do his leadership duties so that effectively leaves us with a single leader. Now it wouldn't be so bad if Emperor Marx was actually a decent leader but the cold hard fact is that he is to be frank, terrible. There has been much anger and disdain among the citizens of \m/ towards Emperor Marx but any attempt to remove his leadership, whether it be subtle or a huge outcry is squashed the moment it emerges and is brushed under the carpet. This has been going on like this for months. You may ask me this, why does the citizens of \m/ not leave the alliance? Well to be honest with you I honestly have no idea but it is their home after all and no matter how bad it gets, it will always be their home and it is where their friends are. The events of the last week or so caused a few people to trigger an impeachment process against Emperor Marx that was legal and within the charter and more half of the people voicing their opinions on that particular topic agreed that he had to go. Yet Emperor Marx used the reason that the people behind the impeachment process has been illegally attempting to bypass the leadership in an attempt to downgrade the treaties between \m/ and his allies to suspend the impeachment process indefinitely. The truth is that no such thing happened, it was merely a friendly chat between citizens of two alliances that are allied on how best their relationship can proceed and there was no demands made. It was merely a word of advice between friends. What angers me most is the fact that Caliph and Emperor Marx twisted the scenario to their advantage in an attempt to paint the people behind the impeachment process (who actually wanted the best for their alliance) as traitors and then they went on to paint the whole thing as an coup attempt when in fact it was an outright lie. I hope that my friends in my former alliance rethink their position carefully for nothing but an unanimous outcry from every single citizen in \m/ will do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stubbs Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 Notice it says nothing about me. Ayyyyyyyyyyyyyy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathias Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 Eh, Marx is a good guy. I vote for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythicknight Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 I blame Stubbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caligula Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 Marx isn't so bad. But, ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stubbs Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 [quote name='mythicknight' timestamp='1282547117' post='2427425'] I blame Stubbs. [/quote] That one's gonna come back to ya, Thick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Empress Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 Right.... I'll believe this when I get a full consensus from all \m/embers that this is true. Until then, I support Marx and Caliph. Good luck to you in these trying times. you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jgoods45 Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 Best of luck to Marx and Caliph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wickedj Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 I, for one, like and support Marx. You however seem like a bitter angry child whos jealous that your attempts to ruin \m/ how not only failed but made \m/ a better alliance overall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moridin Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 [quote name='Swanfield' timestamp='1282546669' post='2427414']What angers me most is the fact that Caliph and Emperor Marx twisted the scenario to their advantage in an attempt to paint the people behind the impeachment process (who actually wanted the best for their alliance) as traitors and then they went on to paint the whole thing as an coup attempt when in fact it was an outright lie.[/quote] Newsflash; everyone who performs coups wants the best for their alliance. You must have known that the \m/ triumvirate doesn't agree with your view of what's best for the alliance; they viewed you as a threat, so they gave you the boot. Yeah, so it violated the charter. Big deal, you lost, now either start plotting their end or pick up your things and move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanfield Posted August 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 [quote name='wickedj' timestamp='1282547467' post='2427433'] I, for one, like and support Marx. You however seem like a bitter angry child whos jealous that your attempts to ruin \m/ how not only failed but made \m/ a better alliance overall [/quote] Me bitter? No this is my departing statement to the good citizens of \m/. Call it advice if you like and no I wasn't part of the impeachment attempt process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanfield Posted August 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 [quote name='Moridin' timestamp='1282547571' post='2427435'] Newsflash; everyone who performs coups wants the best for their alliance. You must have known that the \m/ triumvirate doesn't agree with your view of what's best for the alliance; they viewed you as a threat, so they gave you the boot. Yeah, so it violated the charter. Big deal, you lost, now either start plotting their end or pick up your things and move on. [/quote] I didn't get the "boot", I left the alliance of my own accord. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 From the terrible decision with GGA to even worse moves during the negotiation process (came off like a dick even though you were completely wrong). I have to say \m/ needs somebody in charge who has learned from its past reincarnation, and marx seems to definitely not be one who has and deserves to go if \m/ are to avoid the same fate as before. However, maybe this lesson will finally be the one to do the trick for him. I suppose time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atanatar Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 [quote name='Swanfield' timestamp='1282546669' post='2427414'] You may ask me this, why does the citizens of \m/ not leave the alliance? Well to be honest with you I honestly have no idea but it is their home after all and no matter how bad it gets, it will always be their home and it is where their friends are.[/quote] Yes, why wont a self respecting person follow your hallowed footsteps by dropping AA and moan about an alliance, instead of staying behind and try to fix it internally? I suppose this would be difficult for you, because that would require you to keep quiet and out of the public spot light. [quote]The events of the last week or so caused a few people to trigger an impeachment process against Emperor Marx that was legal and within the charter and more half of the people voicing their opinions on that particular topic agreed that he had to go. Yet Emperor Marx used the reason that the people behind the impeachment process has been illegally attempting to bypass the leadership in an attempt to downgrade the treaties between \m/ and his allies to suspend the impeachment process indefinitely.[/quote] The Impeachment process is continuing, and is currently up to vote by the general membership as according to our charter. [quote]The truth is that no such thing happened, it was merely a friendly chat between citizens of two alliances that are allied on how best their relationship can proceed and there was no demands made. It was merely a word of advice between friends.[/quote] A conversation that happened without the knowledge of the triumvirate or the MoFA. Friendly or not, it was incredibly foolish to do so. [quote]What angers me most is the fact that Caliph and Emperor Marx twisted the scenario to their advantage in an attempt to paint the people behind the impeachment process (who actually wanted the best for their alliance) as traitors and then they went on to paint the whole thing as an coup attempt when in fact it was an outright lie.[/quote] Of course not, It was just a certain selection of members that flaunted the chain of command, damaged relations with our allies, and then attempted to (Apparently) use a loophole to ensure no action could be taken against them. Rather convenient. [quote]I hope that my friends in my former alliance rethink their position carefully for nothing but an unanimous outcry from every single citizen in \m/ will do. [/quote] You had your chance to voice your opinions and work to better an alliance you called home. Instead you chose to drop AA, and moan. Funny, I believe Tyga's Law applies here, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred von Tirpitz Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 Real classy of you OP , try to wreck your ex AA couple of days after you had to leave it. Give it a month at the very least before you spout venom. Also did you not have to leave \m/ because you decided to go rogue on the STA? STA Applicant now i see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Empress Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 Then why is it that I've heard that the Marx supporters in \m/ outnumber the desenters? From what I've seen, Marx has been a good leader/gov member for \m/ since it's reformation. He's done a lot for \m/ and appears to be trying very hard to keep it together. Why are you focused on trying to discredit someone who has obviously worked hard to help \m/? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanfield Posted August 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 [quote name='Alfred von Tirpitz' timestamp='1282547775' post='2427447'] Real classy of you OP , try to wreck your ex AA couple of days after you had to leave it. Give it a month at the very least before you spout venom. Also did you not have to leave \m/ because you decided to go rogue on the STA? STA Applicant now i see. [/quote] I'm not trying to wreck \m/, I am just advocating for a change of leadership for the greater good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atanatar Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 [quote name='Swanfield' timestamp='1282547619' post='2427437'] Me bitter? No this is my departing statement to the good citizens of \m/. Call it advice if you like and no I wasn't part of the impeachment attempt process. [/quote] No, this is about your love of the attention. If you truly wanted a departing statement that you wanted to be acted upon, It would have been done privately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanfield Posted August 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 [quote name='Silver Empress' timestamp='1282547867' post='2427448'] Then why is it that I've heard that the Marx supporters in \m/ outnumber the desenters? From what I've seen, Marx has been a good leader/gov member for \m/ since it's reformation. He's done a lot for \m/ and appears to be trying very hard to keep it together. Why are you focused on trying to discredit someone who has obviously worked hard to help \m/? [/quote] If Emperor Marx was a good leader, would the events of the last week have happened? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanfield Posted August 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 [quote name='Atanatar' timestamp='1282548025' post='2427458'] No, this is about your love of the attention. If you truly wanted a departing statement that you wanted to be acted upon, It would have been done privately. [/quote] I am not an attention seeking whore, I am calling it how I see it. Private discussions is ineffective as it could be brushed easily under the carpet like many times before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atanatar Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 Rather convenient to place blame on one singular person. Sadly, that is not possible. The events over the past week has more than one person at cause. It can be traced to a failure of communication, a lack of interest from the \m/ general membership, a pessimistic attitude by those who do nothing to actually solve the issue, and people like me who left over the weeks due to either lack of interest or other factors. How ever, unlike you, I saw my Alliance in trouble and decided to come back and help fix it. Unlike you, I am not whoring my self out to the peanut gallery for love and acclamation. Unlike you, Im not going to stand by and complain. I'm actually going to do something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Empress Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 (edited) [quote]If Emperor Marx was a good leader, would the events of the last week have happened? [/quote] That wasn't his fault. Maybe you should find out the whole story before you jump to conclusions. Also, even one tiny mistake doesn't make a ruler an awful ruler. It would take a series of horrible mistakes. Marx has been doing a good job. Edited August 23, 2010 by Silver Empress Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atanatar Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 [quote name='Swanfield' timestamp='1282548157' post='2427464'] I am not an attention seeking whore, I am calling it how I see it. Private discussions is ineffective as it could be brushed easily under the carpet like many times before. [/quote] Of course you aren't doing it for the attention. I mean, how could I have possibly come to that conclusion, what with the inflammatory language and the fact its in an open area of the forums, to be viewed by people who are probably sick of seeing third rate drama such as this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanfield Posted August 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 [quote name='Silver Empress' timestamp='1282548382' post='2427470'] That wasn't his fault. Maybe you should find out the whole story before you jump to conclusions. Also, even one tiny mistake doesn't make a ruler an awful ruler. It would take a series of horrible mistakes. Marx has been doing a good job. [/quote] That's the problem. That's precisely what Marx has done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jgoods45 Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 [quote name='Swanfield' timestamp='1282547987' post='2427455'] I'm not trying to wreck \m/, I am just advocating for a change of leadership for the greater good. [/quote] So posting this here in a public forum is supposed to allow this change to happen? Unless your expecting an alliance other then \m/ to make this happen I don't see the logic. Who leads \m/ is \m/'s business and theirs alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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