Scottish Ultimatum

[Uberstein]

No, Louisiana didn't deny the existence of it, if you look at the next sentence you'll see we clarified that there were two bases there.

"You denied it's existence right in that very statement, but we are glad to see that your statements are getting more consistent instead of being the ramblings of a madman. Now you're just an imperialist who is taking land on a different continent for military reasons. The claim that there is a 'diplomatic base' is !@#$%^&*, because an embassy works better than a massive area of armed land, and we try not to assume other nation's leaders are idiotic enough to claim that a large armed base is better than a local embassy in conducting diplomacy."

@Keshav

"We politely ask a nation in China to keep it's nose out of European matters."

Edited January 13, 2010 by BaronUberstein

[Yawoo]

"You denied it's existence right in that very statement, but we are glad to see that your statements are getting more consistent instead of being the ramblings of a madman. Now you're just an imperialist who is taking land on a different continent for military reasons. The claim that there is a 'diplomatic base' is !@#$%^&*, because an embassy works better than a massive area of armed land, and we try not to assume other nation's leaders are idiotic enough to claim that a large armed base is better than a local embassy in conducting diplomacy."

@Keshav

"We politely ask a nation in China to keep it's nose out of European matters."

Your opinion has been noted, and ignored.

[Uberstein]

Your opinion has been noted, and ignored.

"Something your government is good at doing, like how it ignored the votes of the people living in the area and forced them to relocate so you could put soldiers there."

[SpacingOutMan]

Words [because I by accidentally deleted the post ]

[OOC: Technically speaking Europe is a subset of the super-continent known as Afro-Eurasia, which encompasses Europe, Asia, and Africa because of its unified land mass (the Isthmus of Suez is still considered a continuous land mass, therefore connecting Africa).]

IC

If you read the statement, he stated it is not just a diplomatic base. It will contain both a diplomatic and military base in the same region. Besides, for that entire land mass to be a diplomatic base would comprise of an extremely massive facility.

[Michael McBride]

If Louisiana continues on this path it will lead to war, that much is certain. EUzkadi calls for the whole of Europe to stand united to this incursion into our continent by a non-European power, if this is allowed to pass it will set a precedence for future incursions into European affairs by outsiders.

Europe will not stand united against Louisiana, as many have seen the logic of Louisiana's claim and the idiocy of Scotland's and Finland's. We say again, any attack on Louisiana will be considered an attack on the Italian Federation. Do not bring war again to Europe simply because you are as narrow minded and pig headed as the Republic of Tahoe.

[The FSM]

Bah, back in my day there wasnt all this hubub about colonies and foreign territory. In fact no one had any problems with colonies back then, I dont see why people have problems with them now.

-An as of yet un-named old Russian man living in Sicily

(OOC: Cue dramatic music :3 /OOC)

Statement from the League Foreign Office

We once again wish to reiterate our calls for peace. much more can be achieved if Scotland and Louisiana were to resolve this in private rather than having everyone throw insults at each other.

-Hossein Al-Hussein

League Director of Foreign Affairs

[Lavo]

Rebel Army notes that the moment war breaks out, all involved parties will be barred access through the Gibraltar Straits and Suez Canal. That is all.

[The FSM]

Rebel Army notes that the moment war breaks out, all involved parties will be barred access through the Gibraltar Straits and Suez Canal. That is all.

OOC: If I werent allied with you, the fact you control the only two ways into the Med would bother. But since we're allied it is quite awesome

[Zoot Zoot]

New Eden respectfully requests Louisiana remove the military presence from the bases, and keep one of them as this "diplomatic" base you keep referring too, and return the other base back to the original land owners.

Americans have no buisiness in Europe, regardless of their foreign policies.

Of course, all foreign land ownership such as an embassy or "diplomatic base" will require armed guards, I doubt you will find an Embassy on Bob without them.

Whilst we can see your reasoning behind your move, and we can see the reasoning behind Scotlands...ultimatium and following threats and eventual compromise, it is of our opinion that this entire failcascade of diplomacy, has been made into a mountain from a mole hill.

Louisiana and Scotland are both too stubborn to back down from the edge of war, and threaten the entire peninsular with your petty bickering over a small piece of land.

Again, we respectfully request that Louisiana remove the Military establishment, and simply be happy with the diplomatic base.

You have no need for a Military establishment in Europe seeing as you have nothing to strategicly gain from it.

[Kevin Kingswell]

New Eden respectfully requests Louisiana remove the military presence from the bases, and keep one of them as this "diplomatic" base you keep referring too, and return the other base back to the original land owners.

Americans have no buisiness in Europe, regardless of their foreign policies.

Of course, all foreign land ownership such as an embassy or "diplomatic base" will require armed guards, I doubt you will find an Embassy on Bob without them.

Whilst we can see your reasoning behind your move, and we can see the reasoning behind Scotlands...ultimatium and following threats and eventual compromise, it is of our opinion that this entire failcascade of diplomacy, has been made into a mountain from a mole hill.

Louisiana and Scotland are both too stubborn to back down from the edge of war, and threaten the entire peninsular with your petty bickering over a small piece of land.

Again, we respectfully request that Louisiana remove the Military establishment, and simply be happy with the diplomatic base.

You have no need for a Military establishment in Europe seeing as you have nothing to strategicly gain from it.

"Nothing to gain? Apart from a base to station a force in case their main bases are blockaded by hsotile forces as well as a possible location to assist any European allies they currently have or gain in the future. There is at least two things they have to gain".

[Comrade]

For the love of Vox, if neither side is willing to budge or rescind, just do something already! As a side note, Molakian Airspace and Waters will be off limits in the event of war, bar Civilian or Humanitarian transports. This is null, obviously, if Molakia enters on a side.

-Vice Royal Zykova

---Classified---

Molakian Armed Forces put on DEFCON 2, AA Sams and Guns on standby, Mines being laid in Territorial Waters, which will be activated if war breaks out.

[Subtleknifewielder]

"Scotland is proving itself to be as paranoid as certain American nations. It is customary to have some territory near your allies to defend them if attacked. It is simply good strategy. The fact that Louisiana has a base on Iberia, which was given them in a fully legal manner, does not equate to hostility. in fact, should they prove hostile, it is quite obvious the base won;t survive anyway."

"Now, do the nations supporting Scotland intend to violate Spain's and Rebel Army's sovereignty just to make a point of removing that base? That IS what many of you will have to do..."

[DeSchaine]

Louisiana will not reveal how many soldiers or sailors are stationed on Louisianan sovereign soil. As has been said countless times before, this military base also doubles as a diplomatic base and having it in it's current location allows Louisiana to better communicate with its non-American friends, to provide security for said friends and to provide for better Louisianan self defense measures. Louisiana will not give up the territory it has acquired through completely legal means.

In the modern age of telecommunications, just how will having such a heavily laden forward operating base aid in better communications? How does it provide for better self defense when it is half way across the world? Especially when its very existence threatens your national defense by having troops stationed on what is, ostensibly, foreign soil away from the homeland.

We see no REAL reason for this, other than to fan the flames and cause conflict, be it through discourse or a test of arms. Louisiana knows very well the policies of countries such as Scotland and Finland as they have been stated before with gusto. Yet you still proceed down this path. We conclude that because of this, you are nothing more than a troublemaker. I'm sure that if you return things to the status quo ante, there will be no more issues.

**Private to RA**

Close the straits now. If you prevent the majority of their forces from arriving, then perhaps we can avoid this whole damn thing.

[Uberstein]

The strait of Gibraltar cannot be closed by one nation, it is currently owned by 2 nations, RA and Norway.

RA would have to violate Norwegian waters to close the straights completely.

EDIT: GAH, stupid spell check suggesting the wrong word.

Edited January 13, 2010 by BaronUberstein

[Yawoo]

Louisiana will not remove itself from it's own sovereign territory, nor will Louisiana bow to the demands of hostile nations who think of themselves as the rulers of a peninsula. The Louisianan military base, as well as the diplomatic base, will remain.

[Uberstein]

Louisiana will not remove itself from it's own sovereign territory, nor will Louisiana bow to the demands of hostile nations who think of themselves as the rulers of a peninsula. The Louisianan military base, as well as the diplomatic base, will remain.

"And how will you supply the area with no way to get to it?"

[Lavo]

"And how will you supply the area with no way to get to it?"

One can always convoy over supplies, or if needed, purchase them from surrounding friendly nations (i.e. Spain and Italy).

[Michael McBride]

"And how will you supply the area with no way to get to it?"

They have allies in the area. The Italian Federation will gladly supply the base if and when the Strait is closed.

[Il Terra Di Agea]

"For the moment, with War looming ever closer on the horizon, Norway will be closing its territorial waters to all non-allied nations. We are sorry for any inconvenience this may cause. Any nation that requires passage through the waters may apply for a transport Permit until waters reopen."

Edited January 13, 2010 by Il Terra Di Agea

[Uberstein]

One can always convoy over supplies, or if needed, purchase them from surrounding friendly nations (i.e. Spain and Italy).

"Did you not close your side of the strait? And Norway certainly is not going to let Louisiana through. Buying supplies from other nations will get very costly."

[Lavo]

"Did you not close your side of the strait? And Norway certainly is not going to let Louisiana through. Buying supplies from other nations will get very costly."

"Last time I checked, war hasn't broken out, unless of course you are foreshadowing what actions you will take in the near future."

Edited January 13, 2010 by Lavo_2

[Michael McBride]

"Did you not close your side of the strait? And Norway certainly is not going to let Louisiana through. Buying supplies from other nations will get very costly."

Should the Strait be closed, the Italian Federation will supply the base free of charge. We will not allow our friends to be starved by brutes parading as noble souls.

[Cybil de Blanc]

- In Private, At Castle Northanholde

Alysandra, thoroughly annoyed by the behaviour of the Scottish towards Louisiana, only said this, as to prevent an international incident (in case some wacko was taping her every word - hello, royal paranoia):

"What the fudge is with the anti-continentalism, man? Geez Louise, you'd think they'd nuke each other to death by now...thank God for human morality...."

- Public Statement -

"Cyneriice Northan will accept any and all refugees from Louisiana, and grant political asylum to any political members forced to flee, as long as they have a clean human rights background. That is all."

Edited January 13, 2010 by Cybil de Blanc

[Uberstein]

"Last time I checked, war hasn't broken out, unless of course you are foreshadowing what actions you will take in the near future."

"Ah, I see I misread your statement, I apologize."

Should the Strait be closed, the Italian Federation will supply the base free of charge. We will not allow our friends to be starved by brutes parading as noble souls.

"Amazing that the Italian people support an American using their resources to help Americans get into Europe."

OOC: Your leader is still Dobbs, right?

[Michael McBride]

"Amazing that the Italian people support an American using their resources to help Americans get into Europe."

OOC: Your leader is still Dobbs, right?

OOC: Indeed.

IC:

The Italian people are rational thinkers, with a government that has only a single American in it, the rest of the posts held by Italians. The government and the people support me on this issue. This base will not be used for colonialism, it will be used for peace. The intentions of Louisiana are more noble than the Italian Federation's were with Guam. At least Louisiana will be putting a diplomatic base there as well. This is not about "Americans getting into Europe", this is about doing what is right and fighting pig headed, narrow minded, isolationism that yourself and Scotland are spewing.