Scottish Ultimatum

[Proxian Empire]

Scotland is acting defensively in the interest of safety of the Iberian people. What need does an American nation such as Louisiana have with a military establishment in Europe, but to cause war? Louisiana is well aware of this yet does not change their stance on placing troops in Iberia.

This can only be interpreted as malicious intent as well as hostility.

[Executive Minister]

We fail to see the merit in the Scottish Ultimatum.

Scotland will not tolerate the presence of a foreign, hostile nation such as Louisiana to establish a military encampment in the Iberian Peninsula. It is our responsibility as members of the Iberian Pact to ensure the protection, safety, and liberty of the Iberian people. The presence of Louisiana military forces is absolutely not tolerable.

North America has dictated that they do not want foreign presence within their continent, and thus we expect the same. Louisiana will immediately evict itself from our vicinity or face drastic consequences.

In no way is Louisiana legally 'hostile'. It peacefully reached an agreement with the Sovereign state of Spain where it was declared that a voluntary land transfer would take place between both parties for, "a military and diplomatic base". Such is not uncommon between allied nations. You seem to be focused wholely on the military portion of this enclave, whilst ignoring the diplomatic nature of the site.

Louisiana is a sovereign state in its own right. There exists no such nation called 'North America', therefore your second argument is baseless, unless you make the assumption that Louisiana takes part in the 'North America for North Americans Treaty' (_{ooc: whatever its called :/} ), which the Louisianian (sp?) government has refuted repeatedly.

Furthermore, and this is coming from a nation that actively persued a military confrontation with Rebel Army in the past, you are quite frankly and respectfully biting off more than you can chew by eschewing the diplomatic process and issuing a hostile ultimatum to Louisiana. While we can respect such... bravado, you know very well that these actions will bring death and destruction to your precious Iberia, and, from the looks of it, a larger portion of the world- your allies and percieved enemies alike.

There is no profit or gain to save face and continue with this reckless declaration.

OOC: Edit. Added a point :/

Edited January 13, 2010 by Executive Minister

[loannes]

Scotland is acting defensively in the interest of safety of the Iberian people. What need does an American nation such as Louisiana have with a military establishment in Europe, but to cause war? Louisiana is well aware of this yet does not change their stance on placing troops in Iberia.

This can only be interpreted as malicious intent as well as hostility.

"So military bases now mean an intent to cause a war? You're the one starting this. Louisiana did not position any large force in their base. They have shown no reason or will to attack. You're like the policeman who sticks a gun to a man's head because he thinks the man might rob a bank."

-HRH King James II

[Michael McBride]

Scotland is acting defensively in the interest of safety of the Iberian people. What need does an American nation such as Louisiana have with a military establishment in Europe, but to cause war? Louisiana is well aware of this yet does not change their stance on placing troops in Iberia.

This can only be interpreted as malicious intent as well as hostility.

The same could be said of New England with Bermuda, Viniland with Midway, Rebel Army with Korea, the Italian Federation with Guam, or countless others. Military bases far from home provide a needed strategic and economic advantage. To not see that is childish and short-sighted.

[Malatose]

While we do not agree with a foreign power taking over parts of European soil, we would like to remind all parties that the base was established with the permission of the Spanish government. With that being said, we hope all parties come to a peaceful agreement.

Edited January 13, 2010 by Malatose

[Yawoo]

Scotland is acting defensively in the interest of safety of the Iberian people. What need does an American nation such as Louisiana have with a military establishment in Europe, but to cause war? Louisiana is well aware of this yet does not change their stance on placing troops in Iberia.

This can only be interpreted as malicious intent as well as hostility.

Scotland is acting aggressively by threatening Louisiana with war, over an area that Scotland has no claim nor authority over. Louisiana does not need to tell the world what purpose their military institutions serve, and we won't divulge the purpose of Louisiana's newest instillation now nor ever. What Scotland fails to mention is that in addition to Louisiana's newest addition being a military base it also serves as a diplomatic base so that Louisiana can better communications with non-American nations.

[Uberstein]

"So military bases now mean an intent to cause a war? You're the one starting this. Louisiana did not position any large force in their base. They have shown no reason or will to attack. You're like the policeman who sticks a gun to a man's head because he thinks the man might rob a bank."

-HRH King James II

"Your analogy is incorrect. It is like a policeman holding a gun to a man's head when that man is standing outside a bank with a loaded assault rifle and isn't a citizen of the country the bank is in."

[Vedran]

This can only be interpreted as malicious intent as well as hostility.

"Indeed, and the course of action Scotland has chosen to pursue in this crisis can only be interpreted as a desire to forego a peaceful resolution and escalate the situation to its ultimate conclusion - war.

The strength of both nations' commitment to peace is being tested this very moment, and to the some it appears that that commitment is quite feeble."

[Proxian Empire]

Scotland is acting aggressively by threatening Louisiana with war, over an area that Scotland has no claim nor authority over. Louisiana does not need to tell the world what purpose their military institutions serve, and we won't divulge the purpose of Louisiana's newest instillation now nor ever. What Scotland fails to mention is that in addition to Louisiana's newest addition being a military base it also serves as a diplomatic base so that Louisiana can better communications with non-American nations.

Should Louisiana be able to at least come to the negotiating table, a compromise can at least be assured. You have outright refused to prevent military activity from occurring in the Iberian peninsula which may be perceived as a threat to the allies of Scotland. Rather than focusing on diplomatic ability and possibilities, you have insisted upon militaristic institution.

This is unacceptable. If you will not negotiate, then we will do what is necessary.

[Michael McBride]

Should Louisiana be able to at least come to the negotiating table, a compromise can at least be assured. You have outright refused to prevent military activity from occurring in the Iberian peninsula which may be perceived as a threat to the allies of Scotland. Rather than focusing on diplomatic ability and possibilities, you have insisted upon militaristic institution.

This is unacceptable. If you will not negotiate, then we will do what is necessary.

Excuse me, but where was a diplomatic solution ever presented by Scotland before now? It was always "leave or war" and there is no reason that Louisiana should leave land they acquired peacefully and legally. You immediately started down the war path, not Louisiana.

[loannes]

"Your analogy is incorrect. It is like a policeman holding a gun to a man's head when that man is standing outside a bank with a loaded assault rifle and isn't a citizen of the country the bank is in."

"I fail to see the 'assault rifle' Louisiana is holding."

-HRH King James II

[Biohazard]

While we do not agree with a foreign power taking over parts of European soil, we would like to remind all parties that the base was established with the permission of the Spanish government. With that being said, we hope all parties come to a peaceful agreement.

"Idealism doesn't suit Bob kindly."

"Your analogy is incorrect. It is like a policeman holding a gun to a man's head when that man is standing outside a bank with a loaded assault rifle and isn't a citizen of the country the bank is in."

"Change the bank to an airport, and the non-citizen of the country to an undercover agent, and it sounds shockingly like some obscure video game title's mission that I cannot recall quite at this time."

Should Louisiana be able to at least come to the negotiating table, a compromise can at least be assured. You have outright refused to prevent military activity from occurring in the Iberian peninsula which may be perceived as a threat to the allies of Scotland. Rather than focusing on diplomatic ability and possibilities, you have insisted upon militaristic institution.

This is unacceptable. If you will not negotiate, then we will do what is necessary.

"You're just being stubborn by refusing to realize that Louisiana has done nothing belligerent, and you are assuming they will do something belligerent. You are a thick nation, something I am rather shocked about," commented Takeo.

[Yawoo]

Should Louisiana be able to at least come to the negotiating table, a compromise can at least be assured. You have outright refused to prevent military activity from occurring in the Iberian peninsula which may be perceived as a threat to the allies of Scotland. Rather than focusing on diplomatic ability and possibilities, you have insisted upon militaristic institution.

This is unacceptable. If you will not negotiate, then we will do what is necessary.

Not negotiate? Louisiana has never been contacted about negotiations, instead the Kingdom of Scotland has demand Louisiana leave Louisianan sovereign territory. No, Louisiana will not negotiate with the people who are threatening to bring war to Louisiana. When the Kingdom of Scotland can prove that it has the right and authority to meddle in the affairs of two sovereign nations, then perhaps, Louisiana will come to the bargaining table.

[Uberstein]

"I fail to see the 'assault rifle' Louisiana is holding."

-HRH King James II

"A fully armed military base, but it is no surprise that King James II doesn't see much, seeing how aides and minor interns consistently break through his government's security measures."

[Kaiser Martens]

"Louisiana and Scotland have always had bad relations, and even threats were seen as well as hostility. Next thing that happens, Louisiana installs, or tries to install, a military base by Scotland. Who wouldn't be disturbed by this?"

[loannes]

"A fully armed military base, but it is no surprise that King James II doesn't see much, seeing how aides and minor interns consistently break through his government's security measures."

"Most military bases tend to be armed. That doesn't mean there's an invasion plan."

-HRH King James II

[Ezequiel]

'Spain urges Louisiana and Scotland to work out a deal to avoid the war. Molakia has offered to hold a negotiation in their Neutral nation, we will send a representative if Louisiana and Scotland agree to do so as well.'

Alejandro commented.

[Justinian the Mighty]

There is no need for an American nation to have a military base in Europe unless they intend to interfere with European affairs, an act which won’t be tolerated. We stand behind Scotland’s ultimatum and will support any necessary action toward Louisiana's withdrawl.

[Yawoo]

"Louisiana and Scotland have always had bad relations, and even threats were seen as well as hostility. Next thing that happens, Louisiana installs, or tries to install, a military base by Scotland. Who wouldn't be disturbed by this?"

Louisiana has had zero contact with the Kingdom of Scotland prior to this incident, we suggest you get your facts straight.

[Comrade]

Urgent Diplomatic Message to Slavorussia

Office of the Vice Royal of Molakia

You are really not helping the peace process. Slavorussia is a Big power in Europe. By you putting your cards in with Scotland, you could antagonize The Cajuns and bring war to Iberia. We as that you refrain from making threats so we can avoid bloodshed.

-Katrina Zykova, VR of Molakia

[Lavo]

SIC

"Sigh... It seems whenever we get rid of RA Protectorates nowadays it only ends up causing trouble... Maybe it would be a good idea to just annex them all?" A tired Lavo Shalam asked Mohammed Hazzan. "That wouldn't be good. Sure it might save the world some crap, but it costs us PR and extends our military more than needed." The man replied. "True. Ah well, at least it isn't as if we gave away part of our East Asian holding to some Neo Japanese who then flip Asia upside down." Lavo said. The moment he finished speaking, both the men burst out in laughter.

[Uberstein]

"Most military bases tend to be armed. That doesn't mean there's an invasion plan."

-HRH King James II

"So an armed military base in a place where it has no business being is not suspicious?"

[loannes]

"So an armed military base in a place where it has no business being is not suspicious?"

"It does have business being there. It was a legal transaction. Not some forceful seizure of land."

-HRH King James II

[Uberstein]

"It does have business being there. It was a legal transaction. Not some forceful seizure of land."

-HRH King James II

"What business does an American nation have in Europe with a military base? It would be like Finland putting a military base in Oceania."

[Kaiser Martens]

"A good agreement would be to let Louisiana keep the territory, but mandatorily DMZing it, only keeping a nominal Police Force. That's better than...this circus we see here."