Haflinger Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 we dont have much of a choice there...none of our MDoAP partners are fighting....on whichever side they fall... Well, get them in! Where's your bandwagoning spirit? Or better yet, just invoke the Moldavi Doctrine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jgoods45 Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Well, get them in! Where's your bandwagoning spirit?Or better yet, just invoke the Moldavi Doctrine. Don't think hes in NSO but whatever... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starcraftmazter Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Perhaps we have said all we need to say, privately. Are you implying that your allies are in fact not going to help you? Don't think hes in NSO but whatever... Haven't you heard, NSO didn't make that doctrine for itself - but for others to use Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWConner Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 (edited) Listen...TPF will die, the world will be that much less evil. Everyone rejoices. Where's the harm here? If you want someone else to fight, go knock on their door. Edited December 29, 2009 by JWConner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerolocutus Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 (edited) You all is funny. Edited December 29, 2009 by nerolocutus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWConner Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Are you implying that your allies are in fact not going to help you? TPF has been spoken to in private. They know the reasons behind our actions. We need not explain ourselves to anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Don't think hes in NSO but whatever... I'm not in NSO, and my alliance has invoked the Moldavi Doctrine. It's not an exclusive thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raasaa Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Well, get them in! Where's your bandwagoning spirit?Or better yet, just invoke the Moldavi Doctrine. Moldavi what ?? Bandwagoning is not our style.....its uncool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayzie Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 These kind of threads and polls are really getting annoying and pointless now. NV, stop it or I'll involke my mouldy doctrine or something and roll you myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Holmes IIi Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Zenith has a minimum 48 hour voting period for all treaties that involve war to be activated. We are a direct democracy, and being as such all language in a treaty is up to the interpretation of the members about to honor it. I will not disclose the sway of how our voting is going but I assure everyone that we value our friends and allies. We do. The downside of democracy is that it delays any potential action for or against our allies, but it is the path we have chosen. Our charter being the highest law of the land among our group of friends, and our treaties being the second highest law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OberstKrieger Posted December 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 TPF has been spoken to in private. They know the reasons behind our actions. We need not explain ourselves to anyone else. And this is the "I don't give a rat's what anyone else thinks of us" approach, as mentioned in the OP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dejarue Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 my alliance has invoked the Moldavi Doctrine. What? When? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daikos Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Option number 2 would incur heavy, heavy battlefield losses, very likely involve large amounts of reparations to be paid, and overall would be incredibly devastating to your nations. I'm curious what you're basing that on? Zenith has a minimum 48 hour voting period for all treaties that involve war to be activated. We are a direct democracy, and being as such all language in a treaty is up to the interpretation of the members about to honor it. I will not disclose the sway of how our voting is going but I assure everyone that we value our friends and allies. We do. The downside of democracy is that it delays any potential action for or against our allies, but it is the path we have chosen. Our charter being the highest law of the land among our group of friends, and our treaties being the second highest law. This seems to defeat the whole point of signing anything above an Option level treaty? You are basically saying here that, despite having signed agreements with other alliances stating that you will support each other in aggressive or defensive wars, any time those treaties come into play your alliance will vote on whether or not to honor them? Why would you sign anything that isn't worded as an optional treaty then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OberstKrieger Posted December 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 I'm curious what you're basing that on? I'm basing on the fact that if TPF's allies come to their aid, they will technically be the "aggressors" against the alliances that they attack, and will therefore likely be forced to pay reparations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWConner Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 And this is the "I don't give a rat's what anyone else thinks of us" approach, as mentioned in the OP. Winner, winner, chicken dinner! But no really, we don't really care...or do we? We're sneaky that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starcraftmazter Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 I'm basing on the fact that if TPF's allies come to their aid, they will technically be the "aggressors" against the alliances that they attack, and will therefore likely be forced to pay reparations. This kind of reasoning is certainly the opposite of what was applied last war. Zenith has a minimum 48 hour voting period for all treaties that involve war to be activated. We are a direct democracy, and being as such all language in a treaty is up to the interpretation of the members about to honor it. I will not disclose the sway of how our voting is going but I assure everyone that we value our friends and allies. We do. The downside of democracy is that it delays any potential action for or against our allies, but it is the path we have chosen. I would imagine democracy means the alliance chooses it's treaties, not whether it honours them or not. Your system is rather peculiar - I wonder if anyone else has a similar one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Holmes IIi Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 I would imagine democracy means the alliance chooses it's treaties, not whether it honours them or not. Your system is rather peculiar - I wonder if anyone else has a similar one. As per our charter, we must vote on official declarations of war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucasSnow Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 OP speaks the Truth, were I in the same position; I'd state my protest against the actions that TPF made, but honor my agreement, and faces the consequences while trying to bring Peace. Afterwards I'd have to re-negotiate my association with TPF. Luckily though; I'm not in this position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loannes Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Why is everyone instantly assuming TPF's treaty partners abandoned them. Were that the case, doesn't anyone think TPF would have something to say about it? Yeah, I'd have expected an announcement from TPF decrying their cowardly allies and begging for pity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daikos Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 As per our charter, we must vote on official declarations of war. Could you answer my question then. I am genuinely intrigued as to why you sign any sort of treaty starting with an M if this is the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OberstKrieger Posted December 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Could you answer my question then. I am genuinely intrigued as to why you sign any sort of treaty starting with an M if this is the case. I suppose what he means is that the membership decides whether or not the act constitutes as a necessary treaty activation; for instance, a vote to decide whether TPF broke the terms of the agreement or some such thing. Just as alliance leaders decide whether or not to uphold a treaty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffron X Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Well, TPF isn't getting particularly hammered by Athens and co at the moment. I guess they are just 'sounding out' as many alliances as possible. Speaking from the ODN's POV- options 1 and 3 suck I guess you would be familiar with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 What? When? Though not specifically in name, their actions in the Popcorn War were along the same principles of alliance sovereignty rather than treaty obligations. And to the OP...just wait for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobistus Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Maybe it is just because we are all too busy having a real life and getting totally blitzed on New Years Eve? At least, that is what I enjoyed doing. Me head still hurts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 What? When? During the Popcorn War. We didn't mention Moldavi in the war aid to Crimson Guard announcement, but it came up in our internal discussions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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