LucasSnow

o/ GATO Good to see ye guys growing again.

Love the idea and hope it works out well for ye all. Heres to more protectorates like this one!

o/ Pacifica! Peace, Strength, Prosperity.

o/ Welcome to red.

Grats on the Stats, hey that rhymed. Anyways, good luck on the way to 500k o/ For Growth and Recruiting.

I guess I could understand the sentiment of wanting to help those you consider your friends, but this isn't going to help NSO at all really. If you wanted to support your friends there are much better, simpler, and more acceptable ways of going about it. I find this to be misguided intent at best, pure stupidity at worst, since I don't really know you I will just leave it at that and not judge. [img]http://ebsports.net/bbs/images/smilies/facepalm.gif[/img]

The fact that a satirical article, and a hilarious one at that, could start such useless bickering is all kinds of amusing to me. As always a wonderful read, and as always; lets all overreact over a simple joke.

o/ Comrades Good Luck in your future GATOans

[ooc] Everyone except the OP seems to be forgetting that this is an IC forum, as he's the only one posting IC. For some reason this makes it all the more amusing to me.[/ooc] Good luck in acquiring peace for your nation Yuri Armstrong.

[quote name='memoryproblems' timestamp='1281549354' post='2411313'] snip [/quote] LOL Logic; the study of reasoning. It's not present on CN, not in it's true sense anyways. Logic here is nothing more that one opinion painted as fact and why cant you see that logic, it's so obviously logical are you blind? I've given up on Logic in this place. That is all.

How is aggressively attacking a member of a sovereign alliance without talking to the alliance first moot? ever? While NSO did make a mistake with the Aid; RoK made a mistake first by attacking an aligned nation. NSO has apologized for their mistake and are sticking to their guns and standing up for their members. Nothing but respect for them from me. Owning up to your mistakes and seeing them through. Take notes.

[quote name='Thunder Strike' timestamp='1281470716' post='2410076'] By that same logic NSO committed an act of war by accepting a rogue. Either way, the fault lies with NSO. [/quote] I think it's been confirmed now that this "rogue" was at war because of a failed spy attack, thus his attacks were justified. If you can prove to me that he began this aggressive trend beforehand than this falls short, but until you can the facts ring true. This is still a moot point when it comes to my argument. How NSO handles their accepting of members is an internal process and RoK has no say what so ever in this, NSO is a sovereign alliance is it not? They can accept who they wish. RoK being a soveriegn alliance also can view this however they wish too. If they wish to view it as an act of war that's on them. But trumping it up to things that occurred after the fact, ie: the Aid, is not going to fly here. By your own logic here RoK's true CB is a dispute in how NSO handles accepting members, ie: NSO accepted someone they consider to be a rogue, rogue status is opinionated and up to debate see. Thus RoK truly "DoWed" the moment the first attacks went out, if not on paper at least. Thus RoK is the aggressor in this. NSO is only defending it's member. NSO went on from this point to do the right thing. Rather than jump the gun and declare an all out war on an Alliance who had clearly just done the same to them; they instead approached RoK diplomatically. They were promptly met with ultimatums and little to no proof of claims. Now correct me if I am wrong here but is it usually acceptable to demand such ultimatums instead of trying to compromise and find a diplomatic solution? Seem a form of condescension to me, and could be viewed as a personal insult unto the sovereignty of NSO as an alliance. Putting even all of this aside, which can not be done lightly at all, RoK was still clearly aggressive in the matter. Aid was sent and instead of further contact an 'official' DOW was made, I say official because as stated above technically RoK had already attacked NSO. Do you know what the Aid was sent for? RoK was already in the wrong morally here for attacking first, you guys are the moral ones right? So to make such demands and dictate how a sovereign alliance can and cannot handle it's members and their wars is and should be considered 'morally wrong'. For all you know the Aid was sent so that the 'rogue' could pay reparations and end this 'conflict' swiftly. Putting all this conflict aside it boils down to this; RoK attacked NSO aggressively in a direct assault on the sovereignty of NSO as an alliance. While they may not have meant for this to occur this is the direct result of attacking NSO before making diplomatic connection to resolve the issue. Claim your CB be to be what you wish, and claim faults on whichever side you wish, the facts remain. RoK hit NSO first, without contact, and with malicious intent. o/ NSO for handling all this as smoothly as you did. Things could have been handled better on both sides in my honest opinion, but no one is perfect and you obviously did the best you could at the time. NSO has already fessed up and apologized to their wrong doing in this, which by the way was not the first, when is RoK going to do the same, that first wrong doing, yes; you know your malicious attack, and both sides try to settle this like adults? Note: I accept this will be looked over, ignored, or picked apart and spun to their advantage by most, I posted it anyways. Done.

[quote name='Thunder Strike' timestamp='1281425188' post='2409297'] You're missing the point. NSO entered in a state of war with Rok and TENE once that aid was sent. The only thing to negotiate from that point onwards was NSO's surrender. [/quote] Didn't RoK hit a NSO memeber first though? Before any Aid was sent or any talks were had? Seems the fault lies with RoK then, for not contacting NSO before launching said attacks. Oh logic, how you fail to be recognized by most. By this line of thought RoK had already started an aggressive war against NSO before any of these talks or Aid even occurred.

[quote name='Olaf Styke' timestamp='1281324219' post='2406260'] But kissing up to the government, running for a position in it, and getting as much intel as he can before running off to NPO and trying to spill it to their gov is most certainly one. If he left without deceiving us and trying to play us for fools I wouldn't have minded one bit, but he has certainly proven that he's the stuff NPO is made of. [/quote] I did what now? Those are some bold statements Olaf. To think I actually used to like you. For your information I've told NPO [b]nothing[/b] about the little I did know of Sparta, it's not like I was privy to super secret information or anything. The only thing I have told them is that I didn't fit in, I tried to, and worked at it and for you, but I still didn't feel like I fit in. I also never ran for a government position, not gonna reveal Sparta's super secret info here, but I didn't know you could run for government there. I was 'nominated" for a position that has no power but is really fun I'll admit, and accepted it, it was part of me trying to fit in, it didn't work, so I backed out of the race. Good to know I'm suddenly selling these awesome secrets though, I wasn't informed of the fact yet. Whats the going rate on these secrets anyways Olaf? Am I getting the right price? You seem to know more about me selling them and such than I do here.

[quote name='Olaf Styke' timestamp='1281322536' post='2406157'] You'd know something about stabbing people in the back, wouldn't you. [/quote] Honestly? LOL; that's all I have to say to this. This isn't about me, or us, or whatever, so I'll keep it out of this thread, but to suggest this is ridiculous, and you know it. Sometimes people leave alliances, I thought I did so on good terms. Sigh. Enough of that though, leaving it out of this lol. From what I've read there were mistakes on both sides, but it also seems like someone was itching for war. This could have been settled in 5 minutes of chat, instead war was declared. I thought this type of "might makes right" politics is what you all fought to prevent from happening anymore with the Karma war? At least that's how it was explained to me, broken down to the basics. I wasn't around back then, so I can't say myself. But making the connection is obvious and makes it all the more ridiculous and humorous. I can always count on the OWF to deliver, there's no denying that. Ridiculous entertainment at it's best.